Who gets dumped, run-off, sold, etc.?

I say we start with Idaho.

I prefer Bradley to Lamaze.

Sun Belt is two words.

Can you imagine how much Idaho must hate us?

Every other thread seems to talk about dumping Idaho, yet if we had achieved 12 (Had WKU not bolted) - and had a CCG already (providing ULLayf. ( ) a chance to get "ran over" by Southern - I don't believe they would have been given this treatment over the past couple of years.

What if they find some golden potato out there and become the next Boise of the state (no offense )? Might they become like Cinderella and show us to be the wicked step sisters? I know they are out of the footprint and haven't been great in football, but they are better than GAST. I suppose being in the footprint holds more weight than ability to compete.

I just don't see any reason to drop them from the conference and leave them on an island as an FBS Independant or be sent back to the crumbling mountain of the FCS.

We DO NEED to strengthen the football power of this conference, and I pray they improve. But if we are cutting to improve the power ranking of the conference - they wouldn't be number one on the chopping block if you ask me. I mean hey, the conference has the state of GA now without GAST! Just saying........

Even if/when the new rule takes effect - I'm for stealing from CUSA!
Let's just take WKU, Marshall, MTSU, Southern Miss and ODU - add those 5 states to our market to improve our TV contract, leave CUSA spinning and be at 16. If we keep winning in this conference and improving our bowl tie ins, TV contracts etc..... It could happen. The Nation's perception of CUSA will change with the RISE of the SUN BELT. And then we might be able to flip the script on CUSA and have them waiting and pining for an invite from us the way half the cajun fans seem to covet them now. Till then, no need to drop Idaho imop.

Can we stay if we promise to reign in certain posters?

(04-14-2015 08:01 AM)The4thOption Wrote:  Can you imagine how much Idaho must hate us?

Every other thread seems to talk about dumping Idaho, yet if we had achieved 12 (Had WKU not bolted) - and had a CCG already (providing ULLayf. ( ) a chance to get "ran over" by Southern - I don't believe they would have been given this treatment over the past couple of years.

What if they find some golden potato out there and become the next Boise of the state (no offense )? Might they become like Cinderella and show us to be the wicked step sisters? I know they are out of the footprint and haven't been great in football, but they are better than GAST. I suppose being in the footprint holds more weight than ability to compete.

I just don't see any reason to drop them from the conference and leave them on an island as an FBS Independant or be sent back to the crumbling mountain of the FCS.

We DO NEED to strengthen the football power of this conference, and I pray they improve. But if we are cutting to improve the power ranking of the conference - they wouldn't be number one on the chopping block if you ask me. I mean hey, the conference has the state of GA now without GAST! Just saying........

Even if/when the new rule takes effect - I'm for stealing from CUSA!
Let's just take WKU, Marshall, MTSU, Southern Miss and ODU - add those 5 states to our market to improve our TV contract, leave CUSA spinning and be at 16. If we keep winning in this conference and improving our bowl tie ins, TV contracts etc..... It could happen. The Nation's perception of CUSA will change with the RISE of the SUN BELT. And then we might be able to flip the script on CUSA and have them waiting and pining for an invite from us the way half the cajun fans seem to covet them now. Till then, no need to drop Idaho imop.

So... Force those CUSA teams into high CUSA buyouts...
Put 16 teams in a conference to compete for the one basketball autobid...
Play 8 conference games in football, which only gives you one crossover game...
Ask those teams to leave a conference with more TV money and more bowl game opportunities to come to the Sun Belt with less TV money and less bowl opportunities to take a chance on a new TV deal? Any deal at our level isn't significant enough and the Sun Belt, thus far, hasn't proven it can negotiate a strong TV deal.

I don't see any positives for any team leaving CUSA to come to the Sun Belt. The Sun Belt is home for me too, but this is just not likely.

(04-14-2015 08:00 AM)BeliefBlazer Wrote:  Sun Belt is two words.

Maybe he meant for it to be an actual contraction, like Sun'Belt.

(04-14-2015 08:17 AM)SkullyMaroo Wrote:  

(04-14-2015 08:01 AM)The4thOption Wrote:  Can you imagine how much Idaho must hate us?

Every other thread seems to talk about dumping Idaho, yet if we had achieved 12 (Had WKU not bolted) - and had a CCG already (providing ULLayf. ( ) a chance to get "ran over" by Southern - I don't believe they would have been given this treatment over the past couple of years.

What if they find some golden potato out there and become the next Boise of the state (no offense )? Might they become like Cinderella and show us to be the wicked step sisters? I know they are out of the footprint and haven't been great in football, but they are better than GAST. I suppose being in the footprint holds more weight than ability to compete.

I just don't see any reason to drop them from the conference and leave them on an island as an FBS Independant or be sent back to the crumbling mountain of the FCS.

We DO NEED to strengthen the football power of this conference, and I pray they improve. But if we are cutting to improve the power ranking of the conference - they wouldn't be number one on the chopping block if you ask me. I mean hey, the conference has the state of GA now without GAST! Just saying........

Even if/when the new rule takes effect - I'm for stealing from CUSA!
Let's just take WKU, Marshall, MTSU, Southern Miss and ODU - add those 5 states to our market to improve our TV contract, leave CUSA spinning and be at 16. If we keep winning in this conference and improving our bowl tie ins, TV contracts etc..... It could happen. The Nation's perception of CUSA will change with the RISE of the SUN BELT. And then we might be able to flip the script on CUSA and have them waiting and pining for an invite from us the way half the cajun fans seem to covet them now. Till then, no need to drop Idaho imop.

So... Force those CUSA teams into high CUSA buyouts...
Put 16 teams in a conference to compete for the one basketball autobid...
Play 8 conference games in football, which only gives you one crossover game...
Ask those teams to leave a conference with more TV money and more bowl game opportunities to come to the Sun Belt with less TV money and less bowl opportunities to take a chance on a new TV deal? Any deal at our level isn't significant enough and the Sun Belt, thus far, hasn't proven it can negotiate a strong TV deal.

I don't see any positives for any team leaving CUSA to come to the Sun Belt. The Sun Belt is home for me too, but this is just not likely.

I'm aware of all of that. But I see a different future. I'm not talking about today, but down the road in a Belt that is constantly ranked higher than CUSA, where our TV contract has earned a stronger payout, where the Bowl tie ins have at least become equal, where a team has better chance of getting into an expanded CFP and/or access bowl. Where we have more than one auto bid for basketball (don't watch the sport,so I have no idea how that sort of thing happens - but I assume it can happen).

Ideally, we get some of our defectors back and take a couple of their prize programs. Call it a long term mission statement.
Till then, we just hold on to Idaho.

(04-14-2015 08:14 AM)EigenEagle Wrote:  Can we stay if we promise to reign in certain posters?

(04-14-2015 08:47 AM)The4thOption Wrote:  

(04-14-2015 08:14 AM)EigenEagle Wrote:  Can we stay if we promise to reign in certain posters?

If so,

To keep from quoting a lot of text...

Every conference has one autobid for the NCAA Tournament. Any bid after that is an at-large. Meaning we have to be good enough to get at large bids if we want more than one team in the tournament.

(04-14-2015 08:44 AM)The4thOption Wrote:  

(04-14-2015 08:17 AM)SkullyMaroo Wrote:  

(04-14-2015 08:01 AM)The4thOption Wrote:  Can you imagine how much Idaho must hate us?

Every other thread seems to talk about dumping Idaho, yet if we had achieved 12 (Had WKU not bolted) - and had a CCG already (providing ULLayf. ( ) a chance to get "ran over" by Southern - I don't believe they would have been given this treatment over the past couple of years.

What if they find some golden potato out there and become the next Boise of the state (no offense )? Might they become like Cinderella and show us to be the wicked step sisters? I know they are out of the footprint and haven't been great in football, but they are better than GAST. I suppose being in the footprint holds more weight than ability to compete.

I just don't see any reason to drop them from the conference and leave them on an island as an FBS Independant or be sent back to the crumbling mountain of the FCS.

We DO NEED to strengthen the football power of this conference, and I pray they improve. But if we are cutting to improve the power ranking of the conference - they wouldn't be number one on the chopping block if you ask me. I mean hey, the conference has the state of GA now without GAST! Just saying........

Even if/when the new rule takes effect - I'm for stealing from CUSA!
Let's just take WKU, Marshall, MTSU, Southern Miss and ODU - add those 5 states to our market to improve our TV contract, leave CUSA spinning and be at 16. If we keep winning in this conference and improving our bowl tie ins, TV contracts etc..... It could happen. The Nation's perception of CUSA will change with the RISE of the SUN BELT. And then we might be able to flip the script on CUSA and have them waiting and pining for an invite from us the way half the cajun fans seem to covet them now. Till then, no need to drop Idaho imop.

So... Force those CUSA teams into high CUSA buyouts...
Put 16 teams in a conference to compete for the one basketball autobid...
Play 8 conference games in football, which only gives you one crossover game...
Ask those teams to leave a conference with more TV money and more bowl game opportunities to come to the Sun Belt with less TV money and less bowl opportunities to take a chance on a new TV deal? Any deal at our level isn't significant enough and the Sun Belt, thus far, hasn't proven it can negotiate a strong TV deal.

I don't see any positives for any team leaving CUSA to come to the Sun Belt. The Sun Belt is home for me too, but this is just not likely.

I'm aware of all of that. But I see a different future. I'm not talking about today, but down the road in a Belt that is constantly ranked higher than CUSA, where our TV contract has earned a stronger payout, where the Bowl tie ins have at least become equal, where a team has better chance of getting into an expanded CFP and/or access bowl. Where we have more than one auto bid for basketball (don't watch the sport,so I have no idea how that sort of thing happens - but I assume it can happen).

Ideally, we get some of our defectors back and take a couple of their prize programs. Call it a long term mission statement.
Till then, we just hold on to Idaho.

This is only one step less rediculous than saying lets screw the SEC by adding their teams.

My idea of a long-term mission for the SBC is not aquiring MTSU or ODU.

(04-14-2015 09:21 AM)GEAGLESJAG Wrote:  

(04-14-2015 08:44 AM)The4thOption Wrote:  

(04-14-2015 08:17 AM)SkullyMaroo Wrote:  

(04-14-2015 08:01 AM)The4thOption Wrote:  Can you imagine how much Idaho must hate us?

Every other thread seems to talk about dumping Idaho, yet if we had achieved 12 (Had WKU not bolted) - and had a CCG already (providing ULLayf. ( ) a chance to get "ran over" by Southern - I don't believe they would have been given this treatment over the past couple of years.

What if they find some golden potato out there and become the next Boise of the state (no offense )? Might they become like Cinderella and show us to be the wicked step sisters? I know they are out of the footprint and haven't been great in football, but they are better than GAST. I suppose being in the footprint holds more weight than ability to compete.

I just don't see any reason to drop them from the conference and leave them on an island as an FBS Independant or be sent back to the crumbling mountain of the FCS.

We DO NEED to strengthen the football power of this conference, and I pray they improve. But if we are cutting to improve the power ranking of the conference - they wouldn't be number one on the chopping block if you ask me. I mean hey, the conference has the state of GA now without GAST! Just saying........

Even if/when the new rule takes effect - I'm for stealing from CUSA!
Let's just take WKU, Marshall, MTSU, Southern Miss and ODU - add those 5 states to our market to improve our TV contract, leave CUSA spinning and be at 16. If we keep winning in this conference and improving our bowl tie ins, TV contracts etc..... It could happen. The Nation's perception of CUSA will change with the RISE of the SUN BELT. And then we might be able to flip the script on CUSA and have them waiting and pining for an invite from us the way half the cajun fans seem to covet them now. Till then, no need to drop Idaho imop.

So... Force those CUSA teams into high CUSA buyouts...
Put 16 teams in a conference to compete for the one basketball autobid...
Play 8 conference games in football, which only gives you one crossover game...
Ask those teams to leave a conference with more TV money and more bowl game opportunities to come to the Sun Belt with less TV money and less bowl opportunities to take a chance on a new TV deal? Any deal at our level isn't significant enough and the Sun Belt, thus far, hasn't proven it can negotiate a strong TV deal.

I don't see any positives for any team leaving CUSA to come to the Sun Belt. The Sun Belt is home for me too, but this is just not likely.

I'm aware of all of that. But I see a different future. I'm not talking about today, but down the road in a Belt that is constantly ranked higher than CUSA, where our TV contract has earned a stronger payout, where the Bowl tie ins have at least become equal, where a team has better chance of getting into an expanded CFP and/or access bowl. Where we have more than one auto bid for basketball (don't watch the sport,so I have no idea how that sort of thing happens - but I assume it can happen).

Ideally, we get some of our defectors back and take a couple of their prize programs. Call it a long term mission statement.
Till then, we just hold on to Idaho.

This is only one step less rediculous than saying lets screw the SEC by adding their teams.

Well then, respectfully - your vision is pretty off skewed. I'd quote Neil Armstrong but that would still be a shorter "step" than the difference you reference above.

The SEC didn't just reach directly into a G5 for members much less the SBC. The SBC has NEVER been ranked higher than the SEC. Nor has the revenue/TV contracts or Bowl tie ins and attendances EVER been as comparable between the SEC and the SBC as between CUSA and the SBC.

Currently CUSA consist in large part of recently removed teams from the BELT. Some of which would be good to get back and others that I'm thankful are gone. It is more than a Grand Canyon, leap to compare that to the SEC unless I'm misinformed and Missouri and Texas AM came from the Sun Belt.

It is conceivable that in the not too distant future, that we could surpass CUSA in the mentioned areas. Not even close to surpassing the SEC.

Should we surpass CUSA in those ares, it is believable that those that left us before MIGHT jump back in and bring a couple of their new piers with them.

The Belt is on the Rise, I think CUSA is going in the opposite direction (something again that cannot be said about the SEC), if by no other means than their seemingly failed strategy of picking "big markets" and losing its top programs to the AAC and replacing them with some teams that I dont even want back in the Belt.

Do I think Southern Miss or Marshall will ever join the SBC? Probably not, but CUSA is not what it used to be and it may depend on which Conference earns more National respect/rankings and in so secures higher TV payouts. I see the SBC eventually winning out in that. At which time, ..... you never know.

I move we dump Cajun Fanatico

(04-14-2015 08:55 AM)SkullyMaroo Wrote:  To keep from quoting a lot of text...

Every conference has one autobid for the NCAA Tournament. Any bid after that is an at-large. Meaning we have to be good enough to get at large bids if we want more than one team in the tournament.

I would add that the goal is to have more than one team good enough to get an at-large bid, not just-one-but-they-didn't-win-the-tourney-so-sorry-bubble-team.

(04-14-2015 11:55 AM)The4thOption Wrote:  Do I think Southern Miss or Marshall will ever join the SBC? Probably not, but CUSA is not what it used to be and it may depend on which Conference earns more National respect/rankings and in so secures higher TV payouts. I see the SBC eventually winning out in that. At which time, ..... you never know.

I'm all for working on winning the conference battles. What I'm not really big on is all the pining over the ex-wives. They are ex-wives. They aren't coming back to the SBC unless CUSA blows completely up and the only choice they have is that or losing football. Plus, its not like the ex-wives were supermodels. Let...it...go.

In fact, even if the SBC ranks higher than them for 5 years straight and gets the same tv deal as them and is obviously better they are STILL not coming back because to do so would be to admit error and university administrations..and fans...are really NOT good at admitting error....ever.

The non-ex-wife members of CUSA are also not coming. Why would they leave the SBC programs they PICKED to go be with the SBC programs they DID NOT PICK? The only way that ever becomes a possibility is if the SBC makes a lot more money and has more prestige than CUSA for several years. So table the argument until that actually happens.

There is no real difference to me in getting JMU or ODU or FIU or FAU or EKU or MoSt or Charlotte or SIU or really whoever. It ain't that big of a deal in the end.

UTPA, New Orleans, and Lamar

(04-14-2015 01:06 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  UTPA, New Orleans, and Lamar

There are words there, but...

(04-14-2015 11:55 AM)The4thOption Wrote:  The Belt is on the Rise, I think CUSA is going in the opposite direction............

As much as I'd like that to be the truth, it's not, at least not today. Last year C-USA ate our lunch in football and this year they're eating our lunch in just about every sport that matters. I haven't looked at RPI's for softball, but you get the picture.

Can that change? Of course it can and I certainly hope that the Belt wins some of those tough OOC football games this year that it lost last year.

But until there's clear evidence, year after year, that the Belt is on the rise while C-USA is in decline, we're just mirror images of one another for the most part. They certainly don't feel that way, but overall I believe it's the truth.