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(04-14-2015 01:26 PM)Pounce FTW Wrote:  
(04-14-2015 01:06 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  UTPA, New Orleans, and Lamar

There are words there, but...

LOL. Those are the three schools ejected from the conference. Just a bit of history for y'all.
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(04-14-2015 01:55 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  
(04-14-2015 01:26 PM)Pounce FTW Wrote:  
(04-14-2015 01:06 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  UTPA, New Orleans, and Lamar

There are words there, but...

LOL. Those are the three schools ejected from the conference. Just a bit of history for y'all.

I think that may be a little revisionist history. With the exception of the early days for New Orleans when they were asked to leave because of their gym size, my understanding is that UTPA was the only one of the three asked to leave. I think at least one of the reasons UTPA was asked to leave was because of the NCAA's denial of certification to UTPA in 1996. http://www.apnewsarchive.com/1996/NCAA-D...9de10563ea

Football was not a conference sponsored sport during Lamar's membership. There were championships in other sports in the 7 seasons of SBC membership (1991-1998), though.

Baseball - (93 & 95) and went to the NCAA regionals both times. In 1993, the Cardinals also won the regular season championship. They tied for the West Division Championship in 1994. Lamar missed making it four SBC tournament championships by two runs. The Cardinals lost in the 1992 championship game 8-7 to South Alabama and lost in the 1994 championship game by a score of 3-2 in 11 innings to Arkansas State.
Women's Basketball - tie for regular season championship (92) The Lady Cardinals made it to the conference tournament semi-final game three years (92, 95, 96). In men's basketball, Lamar made it to the conference tournament semi-final game in 1998.
Women's Golf - (93, 94, 95, 96)
Women's track & field (92)
Volleyball - (92, 97).

It's not like nobody went to games in Beaumont during that time. Lamar averaged 3,235 in men's basketball during their SBC time. They had high games of 5,000+ in five of those seasons including 8,000+ in two of the seasons. In baseball, the Cardinals had their #2, #3, #4 highest attended games of 3,306 vs WKU, 3,079 vs LSU, and 2,523 vs Texas during that time. The Lady Cardinals drew 9,173 in an NCAA second round game victory against LSU at the Montagne Center the year before moving to the Sun Belt.

New Orleans returned when the American South Conference merged with the Sun Belt. I don't believe they were asked to leave the second time, 2010. From 1991-2010, New Orleans had one baseball championship and two during it's initial stay as an SBC charter member. They had two SBC basketball tournament championships (78, 96), and two regular season championships (93, 96). They won the conference championship in women's cross country in 2000.
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(04-14-2015 01:27 PM)CajunFanatico Wrote:  I haven't looked at RPI's for softball, but you get the picture.

SB has 3 schools in the top 50 RPI:

ULL at 7
South Alabama at 30
GA State at 43

CUSA has 4 schools in the top 50 RPI

WKU at 29
FAU at 38
Marshall at 40
UAB at 45
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(04-14-2015 01:55 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  
(04-14-2015 01:26 PM)Pounce FTW Wrote:  
(04-14-2015 01:06 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  UTPA, New Orleans, and Lamar

There are words there, but...

LOL. Those are the three schools ejected from the conference. Just a bit of history for y'all.

Ah! Sorry, missed that. Makes much more sense to me as a post now...
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(04-14-2015 07:53 PM)HerdZoned Wrote:  
(04-14-2015 01:27 PM)CajunFanatico Wrote:  I haven't looked at RPI's for softball, but you get the picture.

SB has 3 schools in the top 50 RPI:

ULL at 7
South Alabama at 30
GA State at 43

CUSA has 4 schools in the top 50 RPI

WKU at 29
FAU at 38
Marshall at 40
UAB at 45

CUSA has 12 teams. SBC has 9 teams. A pure numbers comparison isn't the best to make. The SBC would be the better conference based on average RPI:

Sun Belt average RPI = 78.56 (7, 30, 43, 58, 65, 73, 121, 131, 179)

CUSA average RPI = 98.42 (29, 38, 40, 45, 76, 79, 102, 106, 109, 166, 178, 213)

Percent of schools in top 100:
66.7% - Sun Belt
50% - CUSA
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(04-14-2015 08:18 PM)SkullyMaroo Wrote:  CUSA has 12 teams. SBC has 9 teams. A pure numbers comparison isn't the best to make. The SBC would be the better conference based on average RPI:

Sun Belt average RPI = 78.56 (7, 30, 43, 58, 65, 73, 121, 131, 179)

CUSA average RPI = 98.42 (29, 38, 40, 45, 76, 79, 102, 106, 109, 166, 178, 213)

Percent of schools in top 100:
66.7% - Sun Belt
50% - CUSA

I wasn't arguing numbers or percentages. I just gave the Number of teams in the top 50, all that usually matters. In all actuality it probably should be just top 40. Unless you win your conference you usually have to have a top 40 RPI to make a case for an at large bid.
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(04-14-2015 11:25 PM)HerdZoned Wrote:  
(04-14-2015 08:18 PM)SkullyMaroo Wrote:  CUSA has 12 teams. SBC has 9 teams. A pure numbers comparison isn't the best to make. The SBC would be the better conference based on average RPI:

Sun Belt average RPI = 78.56 (7, 30, 43, 58, 65, 73, 121, 131, 179)

CUSA average RPI = 98.42 (29, 38, 40, 45, 76, 79, 102, 106, 109, 166, 178, 213)

Percent of schools in top 100:
66.7% - Sun Belt
50% - CUSA

I wasn't arguing numbers or percentages. I just gave the Number of teams in the top 50, all that usually matters. In all actuality it probably should be just top 40. Unless you win your conference you usually have to have a top 40 RPI to make a case for an at large bid.

You're lucky you get to face the top teams of CUSA and avoid a series with USM. They would bring Marshall's RPI down just by playing them (USA swept Georgia Southern and Texas Arlington and their RPI went up 6 places each, while USA's decreased from 24 to 30).

Unfortunately we play a second game with USM next week. Why couldn't it be this week so that it would be rained out? Ugh!
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(04-15-2015 07:43 AM)SkullyMaroo Wrote:  
(04-14-2015 11:25 PM)HerdZoned Wrote:  
(04-14-2015 08:18 PM)SkullyMaroo Wrote:  CUSA has 12 teams. SBC has 9 teams. A pure numbers comparison isn't the best to make. The SBC would be the better conference based on average RPI:

Sun Belt average RPI = 78.56 (7, 30, 43, 58, 65, 73, 121, 131, 179)

CUSA average RPI = 98.42 (29, 38, 40, 45, 76, 79, 102, 106, 109, 166, 178, 213)

Percent of schools in top 100:
66.7% - Sun Belt
50% - CUSA

I wasn't arguing numbers or percentages. I just gave the Number of teams in the top 50, all that usually matters. In all actuality it probably should be just top 40. Unless you win your conference you usually have to have a top 40 RPI to make a case for an at large bid.

You're lucky you get to face the top teams of CUSA and avoid a series with USM. They would bring Marshall's RPI down just by playing them (USA swept Georgia Southern and Texas Arlington and their RPI went up 6 places each, while USA's decreased from 24 to 30).

Unfortunately we play a second game with USM next week. Why couldn't it be this week so that it would be rained out? Ugh!

Everybody knows they have to play the RPI game, but it's cases like this (unavoidable conference matchups that are nothing but bad for a team) that make it clear that the system could use a new ranking formula. (I probably wouldn't mind if the Colley Matrix just replaced RPI in all sports.)
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(04-15-2015 07:43 AM)SkullyMaroo Wrote:  You're lucky you get to face the top teams of CUSA and avoid a series with USM. They would bring Marshall's RPI down just by playing them (USA swept Georgia Southern and Texas Arlington and their RPI went up 6 places each, while USA's decreased from 24 to 30).

Unfortunately we play a second game with USM next week. Why couldn't it be this week so that it would be rained out? Ugh!

Even though we won all 3 games last week our RPI may drop. Our game against Kentucky was cancelled due to rain and we beat MTSUs head in 10-2, 14-7 and 6-1. But MTSU is 15-23 (2-16 in conference) with an RPI of 173.

Marshall has 5 more series left:

FAU RPI 38
UTEP 187
NKU RPI 271
Liberty RPI 168
UAB RPI 45

Marshall needs to sweep all 8 games of UTEP, NKU and Liberty convincingly. Marshall leads 3 categories in the NCAA, 1 team and 2 personal. Marshall leads the nation in steals with 341, Morgan Zerkle leads the nation in steals with 129 and Ace Jordan Dixon leads the nation in wins with 26.
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Yeah. Thank goodness for UAB and FAU or your RPI would drop hard. It's still going to fall even if you sweep UTEP, NKU, and Liberty, but at least you have a few good games left.
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(04-14-2015 08:01 AM)The4thOption Wrote:  Can you imagine how much Idaho must hate us?

Every other thread seems to talk about dumping Idaho, yet if we had achieved 12 (Had WKU not bolted) - and had a CCG already (providing ULLayf. ( 05-stirthepot ) a chance to get "ran over" by Southern - I don't believe they would have been given this treatment over the past couple of years.

What if they find some golden potato out there and become the next Boise of the state (no offense )? Might they become like Cinderella and show us to be the wicked step sisters? I know they are out of the footprint and haven't been great in football, but they are better than GAST. I suppose being in the footprint holds more weight than ability to compete.

I just don't see any reason to drop them from the conference and leave them on an island as an FBS Independant or be sent back to the crumbling mountain of the FCS.

We DO NEED to strengthen the football power of this conference, and I pray they improve. But if we are cutting to improve the power ranking of the conference - they wouldn't be number one on the chopping block if you ask me. I mean hey, the conference has the state of GA now without GAST! Just saying........

Even if/when the new rule takes effect - I'm for stealing from CUSA!
Let's just take WKU, Marshall, MTSU, Southern Miss and ODU - add those 5 states to our market to improve our TV contract, leave CUSA spinning and be at 16. If we keep winning in this conference and improving our bowl tie ins, TV contracts etc..... It could happen. The Nation's perception of CUSA will change with the RISE of the SUN BELT. And then we might be able to flip the script on CUSA and have them waiting and pining for an invite from us the way half the cajun fans seem to covet them now. Till then, no need to drop Idaho imop.

I think we drop Idaho to help the distressed Travel Budget of our poor East Coast Mountaineers.

I hear they may need some sort of partner.
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(04-14-2015 01:55 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  
(04-14-2015 01:26 PM)Pounce FTW Wrote:  
(04-14-2015 01:06 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  UTPA, New Orleans, and Lamar

There are words there, but...

LOL. Those are the three schools ejected from the conference. Just a bit of history for y'all.

Bring back the American South!
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(04-15-2015 04:04 PM)epiccajun Wrote:  
(04-14-2015 08:01 AM)The4thOption Wrote:  Can you imagine how much Idaho must hate us?

Every other thread seems to talk about dumping Idaho, yet if we had achieved 12 (Had WKU not bolted) - and had a CCG already (providing ULLayf. ( 05-stirthepot ) a chance to get "ran over" by Southern - I don't believe they would have been given this treatment over the past couple of years.

What if they find some golden potato out there and become the next Boise of the state (no offense )? Might they become like Cinderella and show us to be the wicked step sisters? I know they are out of the footprint and haven't been great in football, but they are better than GAST. I suppose being in the footprint holds more weight than ability to compete.

I just don't see any reason to drop them from the conference and leave them on an island as an FBS Independant or be sent back to the crumbling mountain of the FCS.

We DO NEED to strengthen the football power of this conference, and I pray they improve. But if we are cutting to improve the power ranking of the conference - they wouldn't be number one on the chopping block if you ask me. I mean hey, the conference has the state of GA now without GAST! Just saying........

Even if/when the new rule takes effect - I'm for stealing from CUSA!
Let's just take WKU, Marshall, MTSU, Southern Miss and ODU - add those 5 states to our market to improve our TV contract, leave CUSA spinning and be at 16. If we keep winning in this conference and improving our bowl tie ins, TV contracts etc..... It could happen. The Nation's perception of CUSA will change with the RISE of the SUN BELT. And then we might be able to flip the script on CUSA and have them waiting and pining for an invite from us the way half the cajun fans seem to covet them now. Till then, no need to drop Idaho imop.

I think we drop Idaho to help the distressed Travel Budget of our poor East Coast Mountaineers.

I hear they may need some sort of partner.
A travel partner is usually for the benefit of the other members of the league, not the partners.

Unless App is in a situation where they really need to split bus fare and a tent on road trips.
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(04-15-2015 04:07 PM)epiccajun Wrote:  
(04-14-2015 01:55 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  
(04-14-2015 01:26 PM)Pounce FTW Wrote:  
(04-14-2015 01:06 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  UTPA, New Orleans, and Lamar

There are words there, but...

LOL. Those are the three schools ejected from the conference. Just a bit of history for y'all.

Bring back the American South!

Some of this makes a good fable, but is revisionist at best.

UTPA was asked to leave because of the NCAA's decertification of UTPA's athletics program in 1996. UTPA is the only program I am aware of being asked to leave except for the early years of the conference.
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My understanding is that New Orleans was asked to leave in 1980 because of the gym size. As I understand it, UNO left in 2010 on their own. I recall reading numerous posts on this board wishing that UNO was not leaving. Their plan was to drop down to Division III, but decided to stay DI.
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Lamar left on its own terms due to some short-sighted leadership in my opinion. I can find NOTHING even hinting that Lamar was asked to leave; however, there are articles for the other two. It's interesting to note that Lamar had a new university president one year later.

In seven seasons in the Sun Belt, Lamar won:
2 Sun Belt baseball titles (almost four losing by one run in two other SBC tournament championship games). According to the Sun Belt Conference Wikipedia page, the two championships is as many baseball championships as all but one current Sun Belt member, South Alabama, has achieved in many more years of membership.

In the Sun Belt, the Lady Cardinals won:
4 consecutive women's golf championships
2 volleyball championships
1 regular season co-championship in women's basketball and made it to the SBC tournament semi-finals 3 times. (Men's basketball made the SBC semi-finals in their last year in the SBC.)

Since returning to the Southland Conference, the Cardinals have won:
1 regular season and 2 men's basketball tournament championships
3 baseball championships
8 men's cross country championships
8 men's golf championship (#3 in the nation one year)
1 women's basketball championship
5 women's cross country championships
6 women's golf championships (just won their third consecutive conference championship today setting the SLC record - which is still bested by their consecutive four year run the Sun Belt)
1 tennis championship
2 volleyball championships.

The four seasons of the American South wasn't too bad. It was a great basketball league. Louisiana Tech and New Orleans controlled men's basketball in that conference except for one year when Arkansas State tied the regular season. UNO's coach, Tim Floyd, wasn't too bad of a coach back then. Louisiana Tech controlled women's basketball except for 1991 when the Lady Cardinals won the regular season. The Lady Techsters made it to the NCAA Final Four all four years in the American South. The Ragin' Cajuns and UNO controlled baseball.

For Lamar, the Lady Cardinals made it to the Elite Eight in the NCAA basketball tournament while in that conference. Women's tennis chalked another conference championship. Men's cross country chalked up two more. Volleyball chalked up two championships there.
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For those you who worry if Idaho hates us, consider the following.......

There are hardly any of their fans here to be offended by our disrespect.

There are hardly any of their fans in Idaho to be offended by our disrespect.
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(04-15-2015 05:52 PM)LUSportsFan Wrote:  Some of this makes a good fable, but is revisionist at best.

UTPA was asked to leave because of the NCAA's decertification of UTPA's athletics program in 1996. UTPA is the only program I am aware of being asked to leave except for the early years of the conference.
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My understanding is that New Orleans was asked to leave in 1980 because of the gym size. As I understand it, UNO left in 2010 on their own. I recall reading numerous posts on this board wishing that UNO was not leaving. Their plan was to drop down to Division III, but decided to stay DI.
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Lamar left on its own terms due to some short-sighted leadership in my opinion. I can find NOTHING even hinting that Lamar was asked to leave; however, there are articles for the other two. It's interesting to note that Lamar had a new university president one year later.

In seven seasons in the Sun Belt, Lamar won:
2 Sun Belt baseball titles (almost four losing by one run in two other SBC tournament championship games). According to the Sun Belt Conference Wikipedia page, the two championships is as many baseball championships as all but one current Sun Belt member, South Alabama, has achieved in many more years of membership.

In the Sun Belt, the Lady Cardinals won:
4 consecutive women's golf championships
2 volleyball championships
1 regular season co-championship in women's basketball and made it to the SBC tournament semi-finals 3 times. (Men's basketball made the SBC semi-finals in their last year in the SBC.)

Since returning to the Southland Conference, the Cardinals have won:
1 regular season and 2 men's basketball tournament championships
3 baseball championships
8 men's cross country championships
8 men's golf championship (#3 in the nation one year)
1 women's basketball championship
5 women's cross country championships
6 women's golf championships (just won their third consecutive conference championship today setting the SLC record - which is still bested by their consecutive four year run the Sun Belt)
1 tennis championship
2 volleyball championships.

The four seasons of the American South wasn't too bad. It was a great basketball league. Louisiana Tech and New Orleans controlled men's basketball in that conference except for one year when Arkansas State tied the regular season. UNO's coach, Tim Floyd wasn't to bad of a coach back then. Louisiana Tech controlled women's basketball except for 1991 when the Lady Cardinals won the regular season. The Lady Techsters made it to the NCAA Final Four all four years in the American South. The Ragin' Cajuns and UNO controlled baseball.

For Lamar, the Lady Cardinals made it to the Elite Eight in the NCAA basketball tournament while in that conference. Women's tennis chalked another conference championship. Men's cross country chalked up two more. Volleyball chalked up two championships there.

So, what the hell happened to Lamar athletics?

BTW, I can't think of Lamar basketball without thinking of Billy Tubbs. We sure had some fun basketball back in those days.
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(04-14-2015 11:55 AM)The4thOption Wrote:  
(04-14-2015 09:21 AM)GEAGLESJAG Wrote:  
(04-14-2015 08:44 AM)The4thOption Wrote:  
(04-14-2015 08:17 AM)SkullyMaroo Wrote:  
(04-14-2015 08:01 AM)The4thOption Wrote:  Can you imagine how much Idaho must hate us?

Every other thread seems to talk about dumping Idaho, yet if we had achieved 12 (Had WKU not bolted) - and had a CCG already (providing ULLayf. ( 05-stirthepot ) a chance to get "ran over" by Southern - I don't believe they would have been given this treatment over the past couple of years.

What if they find some golden potato out there and become the next Boise of the state (no offense )? Might they become like Cinderella and show us to be the wicked step sisters? I know they are out of the footprint and haven't been great in football, but they are better than GAST. I suppose being in the footprint holds more weight than ability to compete.

I just don't see any reason to drop them from the conference and leave them on an island as an FBS Independant or be sent back to the crumbling mountain of the FCS.

We DO NEED to strengthen the football power of this conference, and I pray they improve. But if we are cutting to improve the power ranking of the conference - they wouldn't be number one on the chopping block if you ask me. I mean hey, the conference has the state of GA now without GAST! Just saying........

Even if/when the new rule takes effect - I'm for stealing from CUSA!
Let's just take WKU, Marshall, MTSU, Southern Miss and ODU - add those 5 states to our market to improve our TV contract, leave CUSA spinning and be at 16. If we keep winning in this conference and improving our bowl tie ins, TV contracts etc..... It could happen. The Nation's perception of CUSA will change with the RISE of the SUN BELT. And then we might be able to flip the script on CUSA and have them waiting and pining for an invite from us the way half the cajun fans seem to covet them now. Till then, no need to drop Idaho imop.

So... Force those CUSA teams into high CUSA buyouts...
Put 16 teams in a conference to compete for the one basketball autobid...
Play 8 conference games in football, which only gives you one crossover game...
Ask those teams to leave a conference with more TV money and more bowl game opportunities to come to the Sun Belt with less TV money and less bowl opportunities to take a chance on a new TV deal? Any deal at our level isn't significant enough and the Sun Belt, thus far, hasn't proven it can negotiate a strong TV deal.

I don't see any positives for any team leaving CUSA to come to the Sun Belt. The Sun Belt is home for me too, but this is just not likely.

I'm aware of all of that. But I see a different future. I'm not talking about today, but down the road in a Belt that is constantly ranked higher than CUSA, where our TV contract has earned a stronger payout, where the Bowl tie ins have at least become equal, where a team has better chance of getting into an expanded CFP and/or access bowl. Where we have more than one auto bid for basketball (don't watch the sport,so I have no idea how that sort of thing happens - but I assume it can happen).

Ideally, we get some of our defectors back and take a couple of their prize programs. Call it a long term mission statement.
Till then, we just hold on to Idaho.
This is only one step less rediculous than saying lets screw the SEC by adding their teams.

Well then, respectfully - your vision is pretty off skewed. I'd quote Neil Armstrong but that would still be a shorter "step" than the difference you reference above.

The SEC didn't just reach directly into a G5 for members much less the SBC. The SBC has NEVER been ranked higher than the SEC. Nor has the revenue/TV contracts or Bowl tie ins and attendances EVER been as comparable between the SEC and the SBC as between CUSA and the SBC.

Currently CUSA consist in large part of recently removed teams from the BELT. Some of which would be good to get back and others that I'm thankful are gone. It is more than a Grand Canyon, leap to compare that to the SEC unless I'm misinformed and Missouri and Texas AM came from the Sun Belt.

It is conceivable that in the not too distant future, that we could surpass CUSA in the mentioned areas. Not even close to surpassing the SEC.

Should we surpass CUSA in those ares, it is believable that those that left us before MIGHT jump back in and bring a couple of their new piers with them.

The Belt is on the Rise, I think CUSA is going in the opposite direction (something again that cannot be said about the SEC), if by no other means than their seemingly failed strategy of picking "big markets" and losing its top programs to the AAC and replacing them with some teams that I dont even want back in the Belt.

Do I think Southern Miss or Marshall will ever join the SBC? Probably not, but CUSA is not what it used to be and it may depend on which Conference earns more National respect/rankings and in so secures higher TV payouts. I see the SBC eventually winning out in that. At which time, ..... you never know.
I did say one step less but you keep on dreaming. It will not happen because as soon as the conference has a consistently great team it will be plucked by another conference and if that team is GS you know you will go.
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(04-15-2015 06:39 PM)CajunFanatico Wrote:  
(04-15-2015 05:52 PM)LUSportsFan Wrote:  Some of this makes a good fable, but is revisionist at best.

UTPA was asked to leave because of the NCAA's decertification of UTPA's athletics program in 1996. UTPA is the only program I am aware of being asked to leave except for the early years of the conference.
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My understanding is that New Orleans was asked to leave in 1980 because of the gym size. As I understand it, UNO left in 2010 on their own. I recall reading numerous posts on this board wishing that UNO was not leaving. Their plan was to drop down to Division III, but decided to stay DI.
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Lamar left on its own terms due to some short-sighted leadership in my opinion. I can find NOTHING even hinting that Lamar was asked to leave; however, there are articles for the other two. It's interesting to note that Lamar had a new university president one year later.

In seven seasons in the Sun Belt, Lamar won:
2 Sun Belt baseball titles (almost four losing by one run in two other SBC tournament championship games). According to the Sun Belt Conference Wikipedia page, the two championships is as many baseball championships as all but one current Sun Belt member, South Alabama, has achieved in many more years of membership.

In the Sun Belt, the Lady Cardinals won:
4 consecutive women's golf championships
2 volleyball championships
1 regular season co-championship in women's basketball and made it to the SBC tournament semi-finals 3 times. (Men's basketball made the SBC semi-finals in their last year in the SBC.)

Since returning to the Southland Conference, the Cardinals have won:
1 regular season and 2 men's basketball tournament championships
3 baseball championships
8 men's cross country championships
8 men's golf championship (#3 in the nation one year)
1 women's basketball championship
5 women's cross country championships
6 women's golf championships (just won their third consecutive conference championship today setting the SLC record - which is still bested by their consecutive four year run the Sun Belt)
1 tennis championship
2 volleyball championships.

The four seasons of the American South wasn't too bad. It was a great basketball league. Louisiana Tech and New Orleans controlled men's basketball in that conference except for one year when Arkansas State tied the regular season. UNO's coach, Tim Floyd wasn't to bad of a coach back then. Louisiana Tech controlled women's basketball except for 1991 when the Lady Cardinals won the regular season. The Lady Techsters made it to the NCAA Final Four all four years in the American South. The Ragin' Cajuns and UNO controlled baseball.

For Lamar, the Lady Cardinals made it to the Elite Eight in the NCAA basketball tournament while in that conference. Women's tennis chalked another conference championship. Men's cross country chalked up two more. Volleyball chalked up two championships there.

So, what the hell happened to Lamar athletics?

BTW, I can't think of Lamar basketball without thinking of Billy Tubbs. We sure had some fun basketball back in those days.

I still look forward to the return of the "good old days".

There were some poor coaching choices in basketball. Even so, the men's team has been to 2 NCAA tournaments (most recent was 2012) and a regular season championship since leaving the Belt. The team had the 6th best turnaround in the nation this past season hopefully putting the two Knightmare years behind us. Even after the bad two years under Pat Knight, at a 2,173 average, the Cardinals would have had the second best attendance in the Sun Belt this season.

The current coach, Tic Price, went to the NCAA while at New Orleans (when UNO was in the Belt) and at McNeese. He also took New Orleans and Memphis to the NIT. He has some baggage, but I think the team has bought in. The folks with the money seem to like him also so that can't hurt donations. He seems to be doing a pretty good job of getting some of the local talent stay home and got some decent players in a shortened recruiting season last year. He got a 3 star player from the Triangle to sign an LOI this year.

Football finished the season at 8-4 this year with a ton of school offensive records broken. The bad news is that the record setting quarterback graduated. I'm hoping attendance will pick back up to the levels for the first two seasons. One thing that I think will help is getting rid of two sub DI teams on the home schedule every year. There will be nine conference games starting this season so we have one money at Baylor. The Cardinals beat Baylor the last time they went to Waco. I hope the team has a respectable showing. The other OOC is a sub DI team.

Baseball is still chugging along with 4 NCAA appearances since leaving the Belt. Coach Gilligan achieved 1,300 wins the first game of this season. He has been at Lamar for 39 seasons and some are thinking it is time for him to hang it up. He does have a city street named after him. He was inducted into the Texas Baseball Hall of Fame a few years ago, and his pro team in between his two runs at Lamar made the Baseball Hall of Fame in Cooperstown many years ago because of setting the consecutive wins record. Back to current history, this year is a down year so far with a 17-19 overall record. The bull pen is very weak. The trend in a lot of games has been build a good lead and lose it in the last one or two innings in way too many games. For example, the Cardinals had a 5 run lead in the 7th against Houston and lost by one in 10 innings. They lost to Rice by one run also. Baseball attendance is averaging around 750.

Men's cross-country / distance running has been a highlight over the years. Men's cross country won 6 conference championships from 2006-2011 and won the last two seasons. One of the runners currently has the best time in the country in the 5,000 meter.

Men's golf has been another highlight. Men's golf won 8 conference championships, finished #3 in the nation in 2007, and had 5 All-Americans and PGA players since leaving. Chris Stroud has earned over $8.5 million over his career so far and has 22 PGA top 10 finishes.

Women's Basketball is on the rise with with four post season appearances since 2010 (1 NCAA, 2 NIT's, and 1 WBI). They finished second in the conference this year.

Women's golf won their third consecutive conference championship today, a record number of consecutive SLC championships in the sport.

Men's and Women's Tennis is having a respectable season this year. Volleyball and women's soccer need some work.

Women's softball is in the third season. They run-ruled Texas in Austin 9-1 earlier this year. They are still growing and the new on-campus stadium is under construction. 440 turned out for the opening. They are averaging around 300 at home so far.

There have been a lot of improvements/additions to athletics facilities in the last five years. At 55,000 sq ft, the new athletics complex is 2,000 sq ft smaller than the one Georgia Southern recently built. Over $20,000,000 of a recent $132,000,000 investment giving campaign went to athletics. According to the Knight Commission, debt associated with athletics capital improvements went from $0.00 in 2012 to over $63 million in 2013, the most recent reported year in the database. Since that's debt on construction, that would mean that at least $83 million plus has been spent on athletics capital improvements in recent years if I'm adding correctly.

For comparison, here are some of the debt figures for some of the Sun Belt programs.

Texas State: $81 million plus
Troy: $61 million plus
South Alabama: $20 million plus
UTA: $39 million
Appalachian St: $73 million plus

Here's a link to the Knight Foundation database site...some pretty good information.
http://spendingdatabase.knightcommission.org/
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(04-15-2015 03:47 PM)SkullyMaroo Wrote:  Yeah. Thank goodness for UAB and FAU or your RPI would drop hard. It's still going to fall even if you sweep UTEP, NKU, and Liberty, but at least you have a few good games left.

If we can sweep all 8 games and have 2-4 run rule games our RPI may stay the same or not drop that much. Marshall is 28-10 and have won the last 10 in a row. Marshall has 13 games left. If we can win 9-10 of those games and have 37-38 wins or even more it would be hard to not give us an at large if we wouldn't win CUSA.
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