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OT: If Jordan Spieth had stayed at Texas he could graduate in May
Instead he got his Masters in April.
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RE: OT: If Jordan Spieth had stayed at Texas he could graduate in May
Good line.

Anthony Mattachione is the rugby coach at Dallas Jesuit and a good friend of mine. He has gotten to know Jordan and his family very well through athletics, through teaching, and through charity work, which he says the family does a lot of. He thinks the world of Jordan and the whole family, that they are absolutely first class people, very "special" in Anthony's words. That's good enough to make me a Jordan Spieth fan.
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RE: OT: If Jordan Spieth had stayed at Texas he could graduate in May
(04-12-2015 07:27 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  Good line.

Anthony Mattachione is the rugby coach at Dallas Jesuit and a good friend of mine. He has gotten to know Jordan and his family very well through athletics, through teaching, and through charity work, which he says the family does a lot of. He thinks the world of Jordan and the whole family, that they are absolutely first class people, very "special" in Anthony's words. That's good enough to make me a Jordan Spieth fan.

Saw that line on facebook and had to steal it. Good to hear the kid has a good head on his shoulders.
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RE: OT: If Jordan Spieth had stayed at Texas he could graduate in May
(04-12-2015 07:17 PM)loki_the_bubba Wrote:  Instead he got his Masters in April.
(04-12-2015 07:34 PM)loki_the_bubba Wrote:  
(04-12-2015 07:27 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  Good line.

Saw that line on facebook and had to steal it. Good to hear the kid has a good head on his shoulders.

One of the CBS-TV commentators also used it on air shortly after Spieth's win today.
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RE: OT: If Jordan Spieth had stayed at Texas he could graduate in May
(04-12-2015 07:17 PM)loki_the_bubba Wrote:  Instead he got his Masters in April.

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RE: OT: If Jordan Spieth had stayed at Texas he could graduate in May
It appears, like so many athletes at UT, he was in essence "one-and-done". Guess someone will be buying him an orange Hummer in the near future.
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RE: OT: If Jordan Spieth had stayed at Texas he could graduate in May
I read on another board that his parents spent $220k on golf lessons. That is mind-boggling to me. Not sure I buy that number.
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RE: OT: If Jordan Spieth had stayed at Texas he could graduate in May
(04-13-2015 11:20 AM)loki_the_bubba Wrote:  I read on another board that his parents spent $220k on golf lessons. That is mind-boggling to me. Not sure I buy that number.

I am sure most pga players come from backgrounds where a lot of money can be spent on lessons, equipment, golfing memberships, etc. One person in my high school class actually made it to the pga tour for a while. I think not coincidentally he was the only person I knew whose family were golfing members at our local country club, giving him the chance to play a lot from a young age. I wonder if he really had more ability than the other 300 guys in our class. He certainly had an opportunity than most of us did not.
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RE: OT: If Jordan Spieth had stayed at Texas he could graduate in May
(04-13-2015 11:20 AM)loki_the_bubba Wrote:  I read on another board that his parents spent $220k on golf lessons. That is mind-boggling to me. Not sure I buy that number.

I'd say it was well worth it at this point.
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RE: OT: If Jordan Spieth had stayed at Texas he could graduate in May
(04-13-2015 12:01 PM)DFW Owl Wrote:  
(04-13-2015 11:20 AM)loki_the_bubba Wrote:  I read on another board that his parents spent $220k on golf lessons. That is mind-boggling to me. Not sure I buy that number.

I am sure most pga players come from backgrounds where a lot of money can be spent on lessons, equipment, golfing memberships, etc. One person in my high school class actually made it to the pga tour for a while. I think not coincidentally he was the only person I knew whose family were golfing members at our local country club, giving him the chance to play a lot from a young age. I wonder if he really had more ability than the other 300 guys in our class. He certainly had an opportunity than most of us did not.

Your anecdotal experience notwithstanding, I think you'll find that most PGA players do not come from great wealth. Tiger didn't. Rory didn't. Bubba didn't. Phil's family were comfortable but not wealthy.

As for what it takes, all the lessons in the world won't mean a thing without dedication and focus. I've seen 5 and 6 and 7 year old Tiger Woods on the practice tee an hour after black dark, still hitting balls (and this was not a lighted range). I doubt those 300 others you describe would have had the dedication to do that.
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RE: OT: If Jordan Spieth had stayed at Texas he could graduate in May
"I think you'll find that most PGA players do not come from great wealth."

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RE: OT: If Jordan Spieth had stayed at Texas he could graduate in May
(04-13-2015 05:25 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  Your anecdotal experience notwithstanding, I think you'll find that most PGA players do not come from great wealth.

Maybe so, but I imagine a majority were in families that were members of private golf clubs.

Quote:As for what it takes, all the lessons in the world won't mean a thing without dedication and focus.

Agree completely. It is a combination of those things (and physical ability) plus opportunity. Perhaps if Spieth hadn't had the good fortune of great access to golf as a child he would currently be studying to be an engineer and be unaware of his potential in golf.
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RE: OT: If Jordan Spieth had stayed at Texas he could graduate in May
(04-13-2015 09:58 PM)DFW Owl Wrote:  
(04-13-2015 05:25 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  Your anecdotal experience notwithstanding, I think you'll find that most PGA players do not come from great wealth.
Maybe so, but I imagine a majority were in families that were members of private golf clubs.

I doubt it.

Tiger wasn't. Rory wasn't. Bubba wasn't.
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RE: OT: If Jordan Spieth had stayed at Texas he could graduate in May
I'd amend DFW's statement to read that most pros were introduced to golf at a very young age, and that has been their primary sport while growing up. They don't necessarily come from great wealth or their families belonged to private clubs, but golf dominated their formative years. That would include people like Rory, Tiger and Lee Trevino, whose fathers were obsessed with golf and passed that obsession onto their children. Yes, there is the exception here and there of a golfer who didn't really pick up the sport until his late teens or even college, but more often than not, you see stories about PGA golfers who were handed their first clubs at age 2 (or in Tigers' case, were making their first golfing exhibition at that age on national tv).

I wonder if there ever has been a survey published of professional athletes, and their families average incomes while growing up? Maybe golfers don't all come from wealthy families, but I'd bet their average family income would be at the top or near the top of a chart like that.
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RE: OT: If Jordan Spieth had stayed at Texas he could graduate in May
(04-13-2015 10:48 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  
(04-13-2015 09:58 PM)DFW Owl Wrote:  
(04-13-2015 05:25 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  Your anecdotal experience notwithstanding, I think you'll find that most PGA players do not come from great wealth.
Maybe so, but I imagine a majority were in families that were members of private golf clubs.

I doubt it.

Tiger wasn't. Rory wasn't. Bubba wasn't.

So those three golfers are the majority of pros?
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(04-14-2015 06:09 AM)Fort Bend Owl Wrote:  I'd amend DFW's statement to read that most pros were introduced to golf at a very young age, and that has been their primary sport while growing up. They don't necessarily come from great wealth or their families belonged to private clubs, but golf dominated their formative years. That would include people like Rory, Tiger and Lee Trevino, whose fathers were obsessed with golf and passed that obsession onto their children. Yes, there is the exception here and there of a golfer who didn't really pick up the sport until his late teens or even college, but more often than not, you see stories about PGA golfers who were handed their first clubs at age 2 (or in Tigers' case, were making their first golfing exhibition at that age on national tv).

I wonder if there ever has been a survey published of professional athletes, and their families average incomes while growing up? Maybe golfers don't all come from wealthy families, but I'd bet their average family income would be at the top or near the top of a chart like that.

Yup. Of course there are exceptions, as there is with everything in life, but I'd be willing to bet that the average PGA golfer comes from a more affluent family backround than any other professional sport, with tennis the only other sport even close in average family income/net worth. Of the major team sports, baseball almost assuredly has the highest family income, and that's one of the reasons Rice, Stanford, UNC, UVA and Vandy can be so competitive (as placing value in education correlates directly with family income).
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RE: OT: If Jordan Spieth had stayed at Texas he could graduate in May
Anecdote: Long ago I had an employee who liked to golf. he had a son who liked to golf. they went out to municipal courses to play. later the son became a touring pro, albeit one you never heard of. Their family income was definitely not a lot, and they were not members of any club.

My Dad tried to interest me in golf when I was in high school. At the time he bought me a set of clubs, we were living in a two bedroom rented house with no AC. hardly CC people. So the path to golf is there for a lot of people.

I would agree with Walt's assessment of the average incomes of kids in various sports, but the range is pretty wide.

PS: The golf didn't take. To this day, I am equally proficient in golf and bowling - I can shoot a 126 in either sport.
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(04-14-2015 09:01 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  Anecdote: Long ago I had an employee who liked to golf. he had a son who liked to golf. they went out to municipal courses to play. later the son became a touring pro, albeit one you never heard of. Their family income was definitely not a lot, and they were not members of any club.

My Dad tried to interest me in golf when I was in high school. At the time he bought me a set of clubs, we were living in a two bedroom rented house with no AC. hardly CC people. So the path to golf is there for a lot of people.

I would agree with Walt's assessment of the average incomes of kids in various sports, but the range is pretty wide.

PS: The golf didn't take. To this day, I am equally proficient in golf and bowling - I can shoot a 126 in either sport.

Equally proficient? I would say that a 126 in bowling (which, if I had to guess, would be slightly better than average) is a considerably better score than a 126 in golf (which would only require you to be able to make contact with the ball).
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RE: OT: If Jordan Spieth had stayed at Texas he could graduate in May
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(04-14-2015 09:01 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  Anecdote: Long ago I had an employee who liked to golf. he had a son who liked to golf. they went out to municipal courses to play. later the son became a touring pro, albeit one you never heard of. Their family income was definitely not a lot, and they were not members of any club.

My Dad tried to interest me in golf when I was in high school. At the time he bought me a set of clubs, we were living in a two bedroom rented house with no AC. hardly CC people. So the path to golf is there for a lot of people.

I would agree with Walt's assessment of the average incomes of kids in various sports, but the range is pretty wide.

PS: The golf didn't take. To this day, I am equally proficient in golf and bowling - I can shoot a 126 in either sport.

Equally proficient? I would say that a 126 in bowling (which, if I had to guess, would be slightly better than average) is a considerably better score than a 126 in golf (which would only require you to be able to make contact with the ball).

I think both are pretty bad. I once holed a chip shot from 40 yards off the green...for a 13. At the other extreme, I once made a par.

haven't tried either is several decades, having taken my competitive nature into other arenas.

IAC, it is a joke, albeit one with a lot of truth behind it. Of course, some would say my golf game was a joke...

Well,, probably more than just "some".
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(04-14-2015 06:39 AM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  
(04-13-2015 10:48 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  
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(04-13-2015 05:25 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  Your anecdotal experience notwithstanding, I think you'll find that most PGA players do not come from great wealth.
Maybe so, but I imagine a majority were in families that were members of private golf clubs.
I doubt it.
Tiger wasn't. Rory wasn't. Bubba wasn't.
So those three golfers are the majority of pros?

No, just three of the most notable examples. But there are many more where they came from.
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