(04-09-2015 05:50 PM)chargeradio Wrote:  The Big 12 could add New Mexico and Wyoming without stepping on anyone's toes; although Boise State and UNLV would bring better markets in spite of the travel issues. I guess if West Virginia ever gets a travel partner it will need to be Delaware.

Sarcasm, yes?!?

They should write the rule if no round robin schedule top two teams can meet.
Big Twelve can play eight game schedule and have a championship game.

Sun Belt can have a championship game without adding anyone.

C-USA can stay at 13 with no divisions.

That benefits the Big Ten also I'm sure Nebraska would like to play OSU,UM and PSU more.

(04-09-2015 09:02 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(04-09-2015 08:23 PM)bitcruncher Wrote:  

(04-09-2015 07:27 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(04-09-2015 05:43 PM)johnbragg Wrote:  

(04-09-2015 07:18 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  I don't Cincy joining the Big 12 as hurting Ohio State's preeminent position in Ohio. E.g., when Cincy joined the Big East, thereby becoming part of the AQ club, did it affect Ohio State at all? I don't think so.

The football Big East was not a peer-competitor with the Big Ten in football. (Especially without Miami.) The Big 12 is.

UC in the Big 12 would not hurt Ohio STate's preeminent position, but it's better to have a monopoly position. The Knicks/Lakers/Yankees have a preeminent position, but a monopoly position would be better.

If the big 12 was a peer competitor then they would have gotten a team in the playoff instead of The Big Ten and their "poorly challenged" Ohio State team that just so happened to beat Alabama and Oregon for the National Championship.

When the big 12 lost Texas A&M, Nebraska, Colorado and Missouri they lost peer status because they couldn't even refill to 12. They could only fill to 10 with a mid major team and a team way out of their geographical area.

The big 12 is NOT a peer conference of The Big Ten.

One championship game and suddenly the B1G has erased a decade of futility to become supreme?

Your reading comprehension is terrible. No surprise. I even said in the post why and you absolutely created your own strawman to argue against because you have NOTHING to reply with in terms of my actual statement.

What I said and my reasoning for it were sound. I was talking power, you are talking silly tribal fan reasoning. Performance on the field and on the court have nothing to do with the kind of power I talk about. I gave the proof as well. The big 12 is prey. The Big Ten is predator. Maybe that comparison can sink into that thick skull of yours.

Predators end up becoming extinct, more often than not.

Look at a list of extinct species. Most of 'em were predators.

Why don't the BigXII and ACC just "merge"?

It would be status quo with respect to scheduling and media contracts except the ACC network could contract with the BigXII schools for third tier if both parties choose to do so, which would be mutually beneficial. The CCG would feature the two best teams out of the 24 (or the best of the ACC vs the best of the BigXII) which would basically guarantee one spot in the playoff (which is probably about what the two conferences will average combined) with the possibility that a strong brand school like UT or FSU could squeeze in as a second team occasionally.

(04-10-2015 01:06 PM)jrj84105 Wrote:  Why don't the BigXII and ACC just "merge"?

It would be status quo with respect to scheduling and media contracts except the ACC network could contract with the BigXII schools for third tier if both parties choose to do so, which would be mutually beneficial. The CCG would feature the two best teams out of the 24 (or the best of the ACC vs the best of the BigXII) which would basically guarantee one spot in the playoff (which is probably about what the two conferences will average combined) with the possibility that a strong brand school like UT or FSU could squeeze in as a second team occasionally.

Maybe because twenty five schools is an abomination and not a conference?

(04-10-2015 10:25 AM)bitcruncher Wrote:  

(04-09-2015 09:02 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(04-09-2015 08:23 PM)bitcruncher Wrote:  

(04-09-2015 07:27 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(04-09-2015 05:43 PM)johnbragg Wrote:  The football Big East was not a peer-competitor with the Big Ten in football. (Especially without Miami.) The Big 12 is.

UC in the Big 12 would not hurt Ohio STate's preeminent position, but it's better to have a monopoly position. The Knicks/Lakers/Yankees have a preeminent position, but a monopoly position would be better.

If the big 12 was a peer competitor then they would have gotten a team in the playoff instead of The Big Ten and their "poorly challenged" Ohio State team that just so happened to beat Alabama and Oregon for the National Championship.

When the big 12 lost Texas A&M, Nebraska, Colorado and Missouri they lost peer status because they couldn't even refill to 12. They could only fill to 10 with a mid major team and a team way out of their geographical area.

The big 12 is NOT a peer conference of The Big Ten.

One championship game and suddenly the B1G has erased a decade of futility to become supreme?

Your reading comprehension is terrible. No surprise. I even said in the post why and you absolutely created your own strawman to argue against because you have NOTHING to reply with in terms of my actual statement.

What I said and my reasoning for it were sound. I was talking power, you are talking silly tribal fan reasoning. Performance on the field and on the court have nothing to do with the kind of power I talk about. I gave the proof as well. The big 12 is prey. The Big Ten is predator. Maybe that comparison can sink into that thick skull of yours.

Predators end up becoming extinct, more often than not.

Look at a list of extinct species. Most of 'em were predators.

It's true herbivores live in larger numbers and have an easier time getting their food. Major changes in climate, weather or the ecosystem affect all animals but the herbivore numbers help them survive longer where as most predators run their own territories so when they start dying off they become too far separated to continue reproducing at an equal level to their dying off.

The Big Ten as evolved to the point of appreciating various kinds of prey. I mean, just look at the listing. Prey on the ACC? Check. Prey on the big 12? check. Prey on an Independent that everyone else out East wanted? Check. Prey on the last school of the Big East that the ACC likely would have taken at some point to keep The Big Ten out of the East? Check.

Now they have had one school drop their Big Ten sports affiliation but they are still part of the CIC so this Predator is quite healthy.

(04-08-2015 09:08 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  

(04-08-2015 08:40 PM)bitcruncher Wrote:  

(04-08-2015 07:54 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  Why would B1G vote against a proposal with the result that another team in Ohio becomes a member of the club?

Because Ohio State might lose their preeminent position in the State of Ohio. As of now they are unchallenged in the state. Another power conference school in Ohio might hurt their recruiting, making it harder to win the B1G, especially if that school gets very high profile teams to visit on a regular basis.

Exactly. Do you think Tennessee, Ole Miss, and Arkansas want to see Memphis in the Big XII. I suspect they do not.

Neither does 99% of the Big 12.

(04-10-2015 06:55 PM)Groo Wrote:  

(04-08-2015 09:08 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  

(04-08-2015 08:40 PM)bitcruncher Wrote:  

(04-08-2015 07:54 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  Why would B1G vote against a proposal with the result that another team in Ohio becomes a member of the club?

Because Ohio State might lose their preeminent position in the State of Ohio. As of now they are unchallenged in the state. Another power conference school in Ohio might hurt their recruiting, making it harder to win the B1G, especially if that school gets very high profile teams to visit on a regular basis.

Exactly. Do you think Tennessee, Ole Miss, and Arkansas want to see Memphis in the Big XII. I suspect they do not.

Neither does 99% of the Big 12.

They got 1%?

(04-10-2015 04:03 AM)MJG Wrote:  They should write the rule if no round robin schedule top two teams can meet.
Big Twelve can play eight game schedule and have a championship game.

Why? While I personally think round robin and no CCG is the best way to determine a champion, if you are going to have a CCG, round robin still seems the most fair way to get the two teams to me if it's feasible.

(04-11-2015 10:00 PM)ohio1317 Wrote:  

(04-10-2015 04:03 AM)MJG Wrote:  They should write the rule if no round robin schedule top two teams can meet.
Big Twelve can play eight game schedule and have a championship game.

Why? While I personally think round robin and no CCG is the best way to determine a champion, if you are going to have a CCG, round robin still seems the most fair way to get the two teams to me if it's feasible.

Fair? Do you really think that the power wielders give a damn about fairness? On the priority list, it ranks but not highly.

Yes it does. They won't have to get any bigger to have a conference title game.

(04-11-2015 10:00 PM)ohio1317 Wrote:  

(04-10-2015 04:03 AM)MJG Wrote:  They should write the rule if no round robin schedule top two teams can meet.
Big Twelve can play eight game schedule and have a championship game.

Why? While I personally think round robin and no CCG is the best way to determine a champion, if you are going to have a CCG, round robin still seems the most fair way to get the two teams to me if it's feasible.

So it isn't a guaranteed rematch and I agree with you.