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RE: At least 15 Schools will offer over $4,000 in Full Cost of Attendance...
http://volanteonline.com/2015/04/usd-vis...pensation/

University of South Dakota could be joining the list for cost of living as well.
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RE: At least 15 Schools will offer over $4,000 in Full Cost of Attendance...
(04-17-2015 10:01 AM)msm96wolf Wrote:  
(04-17-2015 08:59 AM)MplsBison Wrote:  
(04-16-2015 10:18 PM)lumberpack4 Wrote:  The cash money is part of a basket of goods. It may be that some of the schools are offering more cash because the underlying scholarship has not been paying for something that is paid for by others. For instance - does the University in question rent books to it's students or do they make them buy books. How is the cafeteria/food situation set up? Dining options can vary greatly from place to place. For instance, you can get Lobster on campus at VT.

My point is, unless you can see into the basket of goods, you don't really know what's being offered. If you can eat all you want at NC State or UNC, but have a limited meal plan at ECU, that could be your difference right there.

Food is a separate line in the cost of attendance.

Full Cost of Attendance is just meant to allow a student to borrow or receive more aid from the federal government, within reason, to cover the actual cost of living while attending school.

Life costs more than just tuition, fees, books, food and housing.


But you're exactly right. The crux of the issue is that each school is making up their own number and very few people know exactly how each school is doing it.

Totally agree lets take Texas A&M for example, http://espn.go.com/blog/sec/post/_/id/85...cker-rooms new locker rooms has a barber shop. Right there is an item I think is safe to say ECU probably does not offer that could be covered under their COA. While these items seem small, they can add up. Best example, while a job may pay your more but the benefits are minor. You may actually make more at a lower paying jobs because the benefits are incredible. Just take a look at the Fortune Top Companies to work for.

This is going to make recruiting tactics more interesting no doubt.
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The Houston FCOA appears to be $5300. 3rd highest in the nation so far.

I can quickly see this escalating into a bidding war for recruits.
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Here's a novel idea for some clever school to steal: submit that the FCoA is $10k, then only pay $5k of it in athletic grants. This lets the student athlete apply for a Pell Grant for the leftover $5k, if they want to try for the "extra" money.

Of course this applies to all students at the school, but hey, why wouldn't you want to go to school where you can get more federal money?
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(04-24-2015 01:14 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  Here's a novel idea for some clever school to steal: submit that the FCoA is $10k, then only pay $5k of it in athletic grants. This lets the student athlete apply for a Pell Grant for the leftover $5k, if they want to try for the "extra" money.

Of course this applies to all students at the school, but hey, why wouldn't you want to go to school where you can get more federal money?

Well, you can try it---but at some point the inflation of the number related to federal financial aid becomes fraud. Im thinking a small recruiting advantage is probably not worth federal fraud charges and prison time.
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(04-24-2015 12:55 PM)CougarRed Wrote:  The Houston FCOA appears to be $5300. 3rd highest in the nation so far.

I can quickly see this escalating into a bidding war for recruits.

Wow. More than twice the amount being suggested at Rice. Who would have thought it more expensive to live in the Third Ward than in West University? I'm guessing costs rise quickly as one travels the 6 miles down Braeswood and MacGregor.
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(04-17-2015 10:05 AM)MplsBison Wrote:  
(04-17-2015 09:56 AM)stever20 Wrote:  You know one thing that I'm wondering is I wonder with conferences as low as the Big South saying they're going to be doing the FCOA if this is a surprise to the P5. I really think the P5 thought with this that there would start to be some separation from the "rif raf" of D1 as a result of this.

FCoA has been talked about for a long time, but they (P5) are doing it now because of the lawsuits pending. They're trying to show all the great things they've done/are doing for student-athletes.

That's right. They're more concerned with public relations, lawsuits, media commentary, etc.

Also, increasing the cost of doing business, if that's a strategy, won't make any non-P5 schools immediately drop off, but over time some programs that are both unsuccessful on the field and spending more money will question what they're doing.
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(04-24-2015 01:35 PM)ESE84 Wrote:  
(04-24-2015 12:55 PM)CougarRed Wrote:  The Houston FCOA appears to be $5300. 3rd highest in the nation so far.

I can quickly see this escalating into a bidding war for recruits.

Wow. More than twice the amount being suggested at Rice. Who would have thought it more expensive to live in the Third Ward than in West University? I'm guessing costs rise quickly as one travels the 6 miles down Braeswood and MacGregor.


My understanding was that up until the late 1960's the huge Rice endowment completely funded enrollment. If you had the grades, Rice offered in-house financial aid funds that would make sure you could attend. It's possible the school continues to fund a portion of some of the costs that go into calculating FCOA for all its students (not just scholarship kids). Frankly, its hard to see how there would be much difference between the FCOA for Rice and UH. That said, looking at the list, I see huge inexplicable differences between nearby schools all over the nation. So---who knows?
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(04-24-2015 01:21 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  Well, you can try it---but at some point the inflation of the number related to federal financial aid becomes fraud. Im thinking a small recruiting advantage is probably not worth federal fraud charges and prison time.

What's the line for fraud?

$8000?, $7000?, ..., $5300??
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(04-24-2015 02:09 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  Frankly, its hard to see how there would be much difference between the FCOA for Rice and UH. That said, looking at the list, I see huge inexplicable differences between nearby schools all over the nation. So---who knows?

I was definitely being tongue in cheek. I do see the UH FCOA as a commitment on Cullen Boulevard, possibly related to promises made to your high-profile football and basketball coaches.

It's been hard to get anything definite on FCOA for C-USA, so I don't know when we'll get something official from Rice. At some point, I'll expect the media to pick up on this big difference in FCOA for the two FBS schools closest to each other.
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(04-09-2015 10:39 PM)Maize Wrote:  From the article:

The University of Tennessee and four other major-college athletics departments are set to offer players an additional $5,000 or more in scholarship assistance starting this fall, according to a Chronicle analysis of financial-aid allowances at the 65 wealthiest NCAA institutions. Ten other athletics programs have plans to distribute at least $4,000 more in aid.

The money, part of a new spending allowance approved in January by the five biggest conferences, allows Division I colleges to cover the full cost of players’ scholarships. Previously, colleges could cover only the cost of a basic scholarship — tuition, fees, room and board, and books.

The change was designed to direct more money to players as television money has expanded. But disparities in what programs can offer has put new pressure on college budgets and altered the dynamics of recruiting.

Spending power among the five biggest conferences — the Atlantic Coast, Big Ten, Big 12, Pacific-12, and Southeastern — varies greatly
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Here are the schools:

1. Tennessee: $5,666 SEC
2. Auburn: $5,586 SEC
3. Louisville: $5,202 ACC
4. Mississippi State: $5,126 SEC
5. Texas Tech: $5,100 Big XII
6. Penn State: $4,788 B1G
7. TCU: $4,700 Big XII
8. Oklahoma: $4,614 Big XII
9. Oklahoma State: $4,560 Big XII
10. Ole Miss: $4,500 SEC
11. Wisconsin: $4,316 B1G
12. Texas: $4,310 Big XII
13. South Carolina: $4,151 SEC
14. Kansas State: $4,112 Big XII
15. Arkansas: $4,002 SEC


http://chronicle.com/article/At-Least-15...ms/229229/
Why does this list include only so called "P5" programs. We know there are several AAC schools whose numbers are above $4,000, include ECU and Memphis. I've also been told that USF has budgeted $4,450 per scholarship athlete for FCoA and I am sure there are others. Actually EVERY AAC school with provide FCoA. I can't speak for the other conferences, because I haven't kept up on them.
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Because it doesn't fit the P5 agenda?
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I am smelling G5 and FCS schools sending a message to the P5. If you do not invite us in your conferences? Than we can steal all the good players from you.

I am already seeing the 4 Dakota schools, Liberty and Eastern Washington doing this. Maybe some other FCS schools that do have some rabid fan support maybe like Delaware, James Madison, Montana, Montana State, Weber State (when they were winning), and so forth. Maybe some D2 schools like North Alabama, Mankato State, Colorado State-Pueblo, West Texas A&M, NW Missouri State, and Grand Valley State. We might see 3 levels at D1 yet which would include the to D2 schools going into number 2 and 3 level. Some G5 and FCS schools could move into tier 1.
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