(04-05-2015 04:33 PM)George CantStandYa Wrote:  

(04-04-2015 10:53 AM)MTigerBlue Wrote:  

(04-04-2015 09:04 AM)bluebacker Wrote:  Well after firing a coach that made 16/17 NCAA tournaments Texas was (gasp!) able to not only hire a coach they hired a damn good one.

Silence.

You don't really expect the shifting sand defense to stagnate over that, do you?

The apologetic shift will now be that the Texas basketball program is somehow better than Memphis' in the current sports economy (P5, more money, etc.)

And the followup question should be, since those things have always been the case (power league, deeper pockets) and since the Memphis program used to be leaps and bounds ahead of Texas, what allowed them to eclipse us?

I am the exact opposite of a Pastner defender. But I am certainly pro-reality. And the reality is Texas eclipsed is because the game of college sports changed, and what was once merely an advantage has become a huge gaping discrepancy. We are mid major now, and unless we get into a p5 conference we will remain that way. Individually, we represent an opportunity, but the system is robbing us of that.

Which is why, who are basketball coach is currently, while a problem, isn't close to our biggest problem. Just changing out Pastner is the equivalent of a 7 million dollar band aid, when we need probably a 14 million dollar surgery. People do not seem to understand the dire straits our Atheletic department is in (read hemmoraging money) and how much our boosters are ACTUALLY willing to do to stop the bleeding. We can't do everything, so you prioritize, a new basketball coach is not the priority...

If they were mutually exclusive, I'd agree with just about everything you said, but they aren't. In fact, solving either problem would likely only benefit the other, in whichever order you take them.

(04-04-2015 10:53 AM)MTigerBlue Wrote:  

(04-04-2015 09:04 AM)bluebacker Wrote:  Well after firing a coach that made 16/17 NCAA tournaments Texas was (gasp!) able to not only hire a coach they hired a damn good one.

Silence.

You don't really expect the shifting sand defense to stagnate over that, do you?

The apologetic shift will now be that the Texas basketball program is somehow better than Memphis' in the current sports economy (P5, more money, etc.)

And the followup question should be, since those things have always been the case (power league, deeper pockets) and since the Memphis program used to be leaps and bounds ahead of Texas, what allowed them to eclipse us?

Texas is a better job than Memphis. It's one of the better jobs out there.

(04-05-2015 05:56 PM)Briskbas Wrote:  

(04-04-2015 10:53 AM)MTigerBlue Wrote:  

(04-04-2015 09:04 AM)bluebacker Wrote:  Well after firing a coach that made 16/17 NCAA tournaments Texas was (gasp!) able to not only hire a coach they hired a damn good one.

Silence.

You don't really expect the shifting sand defense to stagnate over that, do you?

The apologetic shift will now be that the Texas basketball program is somehow better than Memphis' in the current sports economy (P5, more money, etc.)

And the followup question should be, since those things have always been the case (power league, deeper pockets) and since the Memphis program used to be leaps and bounds ahead of Texas, what allowed them to eclipse us?

Texas is a better job than Memphis. It's one of the better jobs out there.

Why. Not being a d!ck but what reasons (outside of Texas having a bunch on booster/BCS money) give credence to that?

I don't think Texas is a terrible job; it's not. It's a great job. I just don't think it's a better job than our job.

In 2 years I may not be able to say that but for now I'll stick with my opinion.

The salary we can pay.
NBA arena
Practice facilities
Fan support
Home grown recruiting base
Tradition

All of these things (for now) give us a little bit of an edge (IMO).

(04-05-2015 07:05 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(04-05-2015 05:56 PM)Briskbas Wrote:  

(04-04-2015 10:53 AM)MTigerBlue Wrote:  

(04-04-2015 09:04 AM)bluebacker Wrote:  Well after firing a coach that made 16/17 NCAA tournaments Texas was (gasp!) able to not only hire a coach they hired a damn good one.

Silence.

You don't really expect the shifting sand defense to stagnate over that, do you?

The apologetic shift will now be that the Texas basketball program is somehow better than Memphis' in the current sports economy (P5, more money, etc.)

And the followup question should be, since those things have always been the case (power league, deeper pockets) and since the Memphis program used to be leaps and bounds ahead of Texas, what allowed them to eclipse us?

Texas is a better job than Memphis. It's one of the better jobs out there.

Why. Not being a d!ck but what reasons (outside of Texas having a bunch on booster/BCS money) give credence to that?

Recruiting, resources , and there's not an insane amount of pressure. This isn't exactly an outsider opinion or anything.

(04-05-2015 08:24 PM)Briskbas Wrote:  

(04-05-2015 07:05 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(04-05-2015 05:56 PM)Briskbas Wrote:  

(04-04-2015 10:53 AM)MTigerBlue Wrote:  

(04-04-2015 09:04 AM)bluebacker Wrote:  Well after firing a coach that made 16/17 NCAA tournaments Texas was (gasp!) able to not only hire a coach they hired a damn good one.

Silence.

You don't really expect the shifting sand defense to stagnate over that, do you?

The apologetic shift will now be that the Texas basketball program is somehow better than Memphis' in the current sports economy (P5, more money, etc.)

And the followup question should be, since those things have always been the case (power league, deeper pockets) and since the Memphis program used to be leaps and bounds ahead of Texas, what allowed them to eclipse us?

Texas is a better job than Memphis. It's one of the better jobs out there.

Why. Not being a d!ck but what reasons (outside of Texas having a bunch on booster/BCS money) give credence to that?

Recruiting, resources , and there's not an insane amount of pressure. This isn't exactly an outsider opinion or anything.

No, I know a lot of people say that Texas is one of the great jobs, but I think many just say it because they hear it.

Texas bb recruiting, in terms of talent in state, is good but not some sort of embarrassment of riches.

Plus the history of Texas basketball, as noted earlier, is not great. Before Barnes got there, they had only been to 13 ncaa tournaments in the previous 50 years, 0 final fours and 1 E8. Barnes had a sensational run from 01-08, but had only three NCAA wins in the past seven seasons.

What I'm getting at with that is that Texas basketball isn't something that is ingrained into the collective psyche of kids growing up in Texas. There isn't a history or expectation of Texas kids "staying home" to play for Texas. Also, UT is in Austin, which is not a basketball hotbed. Dallas and Houston aren't super close to Austin and west Texas (Midland, El Paso, Odessa...) might as well be in another country.

Add to that the rise of Baylor, A&M moving to the SEC and traditionally good LSU being close to Houston. Kansas and OU do a lot of their work there historically. These forces all keep young Texas kids from having the expectation that one day they'll be a Longhorn.

I dunno. Just one person's thoughts.

I think most folks mean that Texas can be a great job - everything is in place to succeed.

Good HS talent, pretty good JUCO system in state, facilities, conference affiliation, money, etc.

It takes the right coach - Iowa State doesn't really qualify for much of the above, but put the right coach in place to elevate the program.

Right now, Texas needs a coach that can elevate the program.

(04-06-2015 07:26 AM)HoopDreams Wrote:  I think most folks mean that Texas can be a great job - everything is in place to succeed.

Good HS talent, pretty good JUCO system in state, facilities, conference affiliation, money, etc.

It takes the right coach - Iowa State doesn't really qualify for much of the above, but put the right coach in place to elevate the program.

Right now, Texas needs a coach that can elevate the program.

I agree. My hesitation to anoint them as a "sleeping giant" or "sure shot power" is due to the fact that "Texas basketball" isn't ingrained into the fabric of kids in Texas. There is no pressure/expectation that a good basketball player will one day grow up to wear the burnt orange. So, OU, KU, LSU and many others are just as much of an option as any other school in Texas.

Plus football is still king. I do agree that the expectation level being lower is a nice positive.