Cagey, that's what I was trying to say. I just added, Duke winning and being around for the title game might have helped, it certainly didn't hurt.

Also, it's reported that Duke assistant Jeff Capel said no.

(04-10-2015 07:54 AM)dekalb222 Wrote:  Also, it's reported that Duke assistant Jeff Capel said no.

As did PJ....

(04-10-2015 07:58 AM)thxjoenovak Wrote:  

(04-10-2015 07:54 AM)dekalb222 Wrote:  Also, it's reported that Duke assistant Jeff Capel said no.

As did PJ....

But PJ said "No" after he said "yes."

(04-10-2015 08:27 AM)chihuskie Wrote:  

(04-10-2015 07:58 AM)thxjoenovak Wrote:  

(04-10-2015 07:54 AM)dekalb222 Wrote:  Also, it's reported that Duke assistant Jeff Capel said no.

As did PJ....

But PJ said "No" after he said "yes."

Well played.

(04-10-2015 07:51 AM)dekalb222 Wrote:  Cagey, that's what I was trying to say. I just added, Duke winning and being around for the title game might have helped, it certainly didn't hurt.

No, you didn't say "might have helped," post (#212) said directly:
"it probably didn't hurt that coach K just won." The implication is that Duke winning carried enouth extra weight or creditability for Hurley to get ASU to choose him.
cagey cager hit the nail on the head: "because his name is Bobby effing HURLEY." I don't know and don't care who the AD is at at ASU, but he can't possibly be on the fence for a hire and suddenly make up his mind because Duke won instead of lost, or he did or didn't watch ESPN's special on Laettner. It's the same simplistic manner in which you explain away losses or make tenuous correlations between secondary things to argue a point. Re-read your posts, including the ones made as niudos, niu222, etc. Depending on a candidate's background, previous stops, recruiting past and present, reputation for Xs and Os, quick success toward a league title and NCAA berth, and it's entirely possible to get a P5 coaching job in this day and age when you go for "a rising star" or a name -- which ASU believes it got both. How many seasons was Rick Pitino Jr. a head coach before Minnesota hired him?

I guess I should have said It didn't matter if Duke won or lost. I do think it helped that Duke was winning. Duke is a great winning program and Hurley is associated with that. I nor you talked to the AD, so neither one of us really knows, do we? Hurley did not win a NCAA tourney game. Who was the last MAC coach to get a P5 job after two years? I personally like Hurley. I just was surprised how fast he got that job. And yes, Hurley's name, affiliation to Duke probably helped. I believe Hurley became a hot coaching name when the ESPN special, I hate Christian Latener came out.

MAC ftball coaches get P5 jobs after a couple of years. I don't think that has been the case for MAC bball coaches.

http://www.nj.com/rutgersbasketball/inde...s_rea.html

(03-31-2015 05:22 PM)EA3 Wrote:  

(03-31-2015 05:21 PM)dekalb222 Wrote:  Monty took them because he was filling a roster.

You can say that now after 4 years of not living up to the hype.

NIU fans knew that Monty would have to tear down before rebuilding a program that was horrible for at least 10 years...No hype no high expectations until now....this year is make or break time for NIU basketball....nothing less than a conference champion contender..

another so so year and we have a new coach and another rebuilding....

That said I think Monty is a good coach and is growing better....

If, Huskies win 17 games there will not be a new coach. Frazier is not happy with the amount of wins but he is very confident in Monty!

If NIU's recruiting class is what we think it is, I think Monty bought himself 2 more years. Buffalo will be the heavy favorite to win the MAC next year and NIU will be a very young team. It will be 2016-17 that will be Monty's true make or break year in my view. And honestly, he deserves those 2 years given on paper what could be the best incoming class NIU has ever seen.

(04-10-2015 11:34 PM)OldTtimeNIU Wrote:  

(03-31-2015 05:22 PM)EA3 Wrote:  

(03-31-2015 05:21 PM)dekalb222 Wrote:  Monty took them because he was filling a roster.

You can say that now after 4 years of not living up to the hype.

NIU fans knew that Monty would have to tear down before rebuilding a program that was horrible for at least 10 years...No hype no high expectations until now....this year is make or break time for NIU basketball....nothing less than a conference champion contender..

another so so year and we have a new coach and another rebuilding....

That said I think Monty is a good coach and is growing better....

The hype was pretty big going into last season. Expectations were high on this board. 4 seasons completed in Monty's tenure and he's yet to produce a winning record overall or in conference. I know the guy is well liked as a person and he's doing things the "right" way...but at what point in time will you guys start demanding tangible results?

(04-11-2015 08:44 AM)EA3 Wrote:  

(04-10-2015 11:34 PM)OldTtimeNIU Wrote:  

(03-31-2015 05:22 PM)EA3 Wrote:  

(03-31-2015 05:21 PM)dekalb222 Wrote:  Monty took them because he was filling a roster.

You can say that now after 4 years of not living up to the hype.

NIU fans knew that Monty would have to tear down before rebuilding a program that was horrible for at least 10 years...No hype no high expectations until now....this year is make or break time for NIU basketball....nothing less than a conference champion contender..

another so so year and we have a new coach and another rebuilding....

That said I think Monty is a good coach and is growing better....

The hype was pretty big going into last season. Expectations were high on this board. 4 seasons completed in Monty's tenure and he's yet to produce a winning record overall or in conference. I know the guy is well liked as a person and he's doing things the "right" way...but at what point in time will you guys start demanding tangible results?

You cannot ignore the quality of this recruiting class, we haven't seen that here at NIU in a long time, if ever. Id call that tangible. Last year was disappointing but you have to remember a few things, NIU has hampered severely by injury and also no one expected the MAC to take such a large step up that it did last year to become one of the better conferences in the nation.

MAC BASKETBALL! MY NEW GOD! May 2014-2015 MAC basketball be remembered forever!

(04-11-2015 09:28 AM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  

(04-11-2015 08:44 AM)EA3 Wrote:  

(04-10-2015 11:34 PM)OldTtimeNIU Wrote:  

(03-31-2015 05:22 PM)EA3 Wrote:  

(03-31-2015 05:21 PM)dekalb222 Wrote:  Monty took them because he was filling a roster.

You can say that now after 4 years of not living up to the hype.

NIU fans knew that Monty would have to tear down before rebuilding a program that was horrible for at least 10 years...No hype no high expectations until now....this year is make or break time for NIU basketball....nothing less than a conference champion contender..

another so so year and we have a new coach and another rebuilding....

That said I think Monty is a good coach and is growing better....

The hype was pretty big going into last season. Expectations were high on this board. 4 seasons completed in Monty's tenure and he's yet to produce a winning record overall or in conference. I know the guy is well liked as a person and he's doing things the "right" way...but at what point in time will you guys start demanding tangible results?

You cannot ignore the quality of this recruiting class, we haven't seen that here at NIU in a long time, if ever. Id call that tangible. Last year was disappointing but you have to remember a few things, NIU has hampered severely by injury and also no one expected the MAC to take such a large step up that it did last year to become one of the better conferences in the nation.

Stop. Recruiting classes aren't "tangible". Wins are tangible.

Injuries? Half the teams in the MAC lost starters due to injuries. That levels the playing field somewhat. NIU didn't play all 18 MAC games against teams that were full strength.

And no...the MAC was not one of the better conferences in the nation. The conference RPI was a byproduct of soft scheduling.

I'll concede that MM has a longer leash than most coaches would due to the lack of history in bball at NIU.

WMU, Toledo, BG, Buffalo, CMU all played every game with their leading scorer. NIU played 9-games without their leading scorer. It's not a stretch to say they could've won another 3-games. I also don't count Highsmiths injury, since he was out before season started, but yes, it was a very dissapointing season.

(04-11-2015 09:28 AM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  You cannot ignore the quality of this recruiting class, we haven't seen that here at NIU in a long time, if ever. Id call that tangible. Last year was disappointing but you have to remember a few things, NIU has hampered severely by injury and also no one expected the MAC to take such a large step up that it did last year to become one of the better conferences in the nation.

MD, Too soon to rate this class ahead of the Magnificient Seven as they were called when McDougal brought in all-staters, Kenny Battle, Rodney Davis, Daron White, Jim Edmonson, Mike Grabner, Randy Norman, and Scott Sullivan. The last being an example of how not all high school success translates to Division I.
Until they perform, we'll be hearing about how young this team is just like we've heard for the last three seasons. There definitely is reason for optimism, but let's not put the cart before the horse.
Molinari may have benefited, but it was Rosborough's recruiting class of Donnell Thomas, Donald Whiteside, Antwon Harmon, Stacy Arrington, Brian Banks and Andrew Wells that came in with honors galore and ultimtely got to the NCAA tournament. Even Brian Hammel signed nothing but all-state players in Mike Hartke, Scott Peterson, Marlin Simms, and a Minnesota Mr. Basketball Finalist in Chad Weeks -- anyone remember him?
As much as everyone has disected and presented so many different metrics to prove that MAC ranking to be without merit, MD it's time you stopped using that overblown line claiming it was "one of the better conferences in the nation" last year. That and how much change will get you a cup of coffee? Neither the post-season success (or lack thereof) for any member school, nor non-notoriety of individual players back up such a claim. We all hope for more respect and success, but keep it real. Once NIU basketball and MAC hoops does something, that achievement will be that much more notable considering where it rose from -- think today's football success contrasted to longest losing streak and years of frustration. It can happen for basketball, and when it does, it'll rival what's happened at Huskie Stadium.