(04-04-2015 11:15 AM)BigHouston Wrote:  USC/Trojans, Michigan and UT are my top 3 programs I will consider worth moving for, period.

That said, if Smart can do what he did at VCU, UT will hold on to him, if not, he will be gone in 3 years, IMO.

Great jobs come with big, big expectations.

Shaka Smart can hit all of them. He's a great coach and recruiter.

(04-04-2015 11:34 AM)LouPower Wrote:  

(04-04-2015 11:15 AM)BigHouston Wrote:  USC/Trojans, Michigan and UT are my top 3 programs I will consider worth moving for, period.

That said, if Smart can do what he did at VCU, UT will hold on to him, if not, he will be gone in 3 years, IMO.

Great jobs come with big, big expectations.

Shaka Smart can hit all of them. He's a great coach and recruiter.

Well, he's going to have to earn it $$$ now, I guess we'll see if he can handle Texas pressure.

(04-04-2015 11:53 AM)BigHouston Wrote:  

(04-04-2015 11:34 AM)LouPower Wrote:  

(04-04-2015 11:15 AM)BigHouston Wrote:  USC/Trojans, Michigan and UT are my top 3 programs I will consider worth moving for, period.

That said, if Smart can do what he did at VCU, UT will hold on to him, if not, he will be gone in 3 years, IMO.

Great jobs come with big, big expectations.

Shaka Smart can hit all of them. He's a great coach and recruiter.

Well, he's going to have to earn it $$$ now, I guess we'll see if he can handle Texas pressure.

You can say that about any upgrade...if not Texas for Smart it was going to be a Indiana, North Carolina, Kentucky, Duke or Louisville...I see all those jobs opening up within the next 3 years IMO.

(04-04-2015 11:34 AM)LouPower Wrote:  

(04-04-2015 11:15 AM)BigHouston Wrote:  USC/Trojans, Michigan and UT are my top 3 programs I will consider worth moving for, period.

That said, if Smart can do what he did at VCU, UT will hold on to him, if not, he will be gone in 3 years, IMO.

Great jobs come with big, big expectations.

Shaka Smart can hit all of them. He's a great coach and recruiter.

I do believe similar statements were made about Strong when he was hired. You think Shaka can get it done in the first year?

(04-04-2015 04:22 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(04-04-2015 11:34 AM)LouPower Wrote:  

(04-04-2015 11:15 AM)BigHouston Wrote:  USC/Trojans, Michigan and UT are my top 3 programs I will consider worth moving for, period.

That said, if Smart can do what he did at VCU, UT will hold on to him, if not, he will be gone in 3 years, IMO.

Great jobs come with big, big expectations.

Shaka Smart can hit all of them. He's a great coach and recruiter.

I do believe similar statements were made about Strong when he was hired. You think Shaka can get it done in the first year?

I think it's a lot easier to do it in basketball than it is football. You can with pretty much just smoke and mirrors win 20 games fairly easily. You get 8-10 gimme wins and then for instance the Big 12 has Kansas St, TCU, and Texas Tech who aren't all that great. So that's 14-16 wins there. Then it's just winning 4-6 of the other 15 games. Meanwhile in football they have 1 tough OOC game and then 5-6 other tough games.

(04-04-2015 04:32 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(04-04-2015 04:22 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(04-04-2015 11:34 AM)LouPower Wrote:  

(04-04-2015 11:15 AM)BigHouston Wrote:  USC/Trojans, Michigan and UT are my top 3 programs I will consider worth moving for, period.

That said, if Smart can do what he did at VCU, UT will hold on to him, if not, he will be gone in 3 years, IMO.

Great jobs come with big, big expectations.

Shaka Smart can hit all of them. He's a great coach and recruiter.

I do believe similar statements were made about Strong when he was hired. You think Shaka can get it done in the first year?

I think it's a lot easier to do it in basketball than it is football. You can with pretty much just smoke and mirrors win 20 games fairly easily. You get 8-10 gimme wins and then for instance the Big 12 has Kansas St, TCU, and Texas Tech who aren't all that great. So that's 14-16 wins there. Then it's just winning 4-6 of the other 15 games. Meanwhile in football they have 1 tough OOC game and then 5-6 other tough games.

Well, I will agree that it should be easier in basketball than in football. I may be mistaken but I do believe Texas has a lot of young talent on the team which means he is going to have a lot of potential to work with right away.

That was the case with the football team though. They have tons of talent and yet they had issues. There may be an initial culture clash that proves difficult for a while.

(04-04-2015 06:06 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(04-04-2015 04:32 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(04-04-2015 04:22 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(04-04-2015 11:34 AM)LouPower Wrote:  

(04-04-2015 11:15 AM)BigHouston Wrote:  USC/Trojans, Michigan and UT are my top 3 programs I will consider worth moving for, period.

That said, if Smart can do what he did at VCU, UT will hold on to him, if not, he will be gone in 3 years, IMO.

Great jobs come with big, big expectations.

Shaka Smart can hit all of them. He's a great coach and recruiter.

I do believe similar statements were made about Strong when he was hired. You think Shaka can get it done in the first year?

I think it's a lot easier to do it in basketball than it is football. You can with pretty much just smoke and mirrors win 20 games fairly easily. You get 8-10 gimme wins and then for instance the Big 12 has Kansas St, TCU, and Texas Tech who aren't all that great. So that's 14-16 wins there. Then it's just winning 4-6 of the other 15 games. Meanwhile in football they have 1 tough OOC game and then 5-6 other tough games.

Well, I will agree that it should be easier in basketball than in football. I may be mistaken but I do believe Texas has a lot of young talent on the team which means he is going to have a lot of potential to work with right away.

That was the case with the football team though. They have tons of talent and yet they had issues. There may be an initial culture clash that proves difficult for a while.

Texas this past year had 2 pretty tough OOC games in BYU and UCLA who they lost both games to. Then 3 ranked teams in conference play that they lost to. Then the other 7 games they went 6-1 against regular season, before losing to Arkansas in their bowl game. In Basketball you never would have a schedule where you are sub .500 entering conference play(I think there were like 4-5 at the most teams in the P5 that entered conference play sub .500).

(04-04-2015 06:06 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(04-04-2015 04:32 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(04-04-2015 04:22 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(04-04-2015 11:34 AM)LouPower Wrote:  

(04-04-2015 11:15 AM)BigHouston Wrote:  USC/Trojans, Michigan and UT are my top 3 programs I will consider worth moving for, period.

That said, if Smart can do what he did at VCU, UT will hold on to him, if not, he will be gone in 3 years, IMO.

Great jobs come with big, big expectations.

Shaka Smart can hit all of them. He's a great coach and recruiter.

I do believe similar statements were made about Strong when he was hired. You think Shaka can get it done in the first year?

I think it's a lot easier to do it in basketball than it is football. You can with pretty much just smoke and mirrors win 20 games fairly easily. You get 8-10 gimme wins and then for instance the Big 12 has Kansas St, TCU, and Texas Tech who aren't all that great. So that's 14-16 wins there. Then it's just winning 4-6 of the other 15 games. Meanwhile in football they have 1 tough OOC game and then 5-6 other tough games.

Well, I will agree that it should be easier in basketball than in football. I may be mistaken but I do believe Texas has a lot of young talent on the team which means he is going to have a lot of potential to work with right away.

That was the case with the football team though. They have tons of talent and yet they had issues. There may be an initial culture clash that proves difficult for a while.

Strong ran into that this past year...remember he either "Booted/players left" a Boatload of Football players this past season.

Shaka Smart is going to find the going a good bit tougher in the Big XII than it is in the A-10. The Big XII may not have Richmond, but there are a lot of other teams that will give him even more trouble than the Spiders did.

(04-04-2015 04:32 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(04-04-2015 04:22 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(04-04-2015 11:34 AM)LouPower Wrote:  

(04-04-2015 11:15 AM)BigHouston Wrote:  USC/Trojans, Michigan and UT are my top 3 programs I will consider worth moving for, period.

That said, if Smart can do what he did at VCU, UT will hold on to him, if not, he will be gone in 3 years, IMO.

Great jobs come with big, big expectations.

Shaka Smart can hit all of them. He's a great coach and recruiter.

I do believe similar statements were made about Strong when he was hired. You think Shaka can get it done in the first year?

I think it's a lot easier to do it in basketball than it is football. You can with pretty much just smoke and mirrors win 20 games fairly easily. You get 8-10 gimme wins and then for instance the Big 12 has Kansas St, TCU, and Texas Tech who aren't all that great. So that's 14-16 wins there. Then it's just winning 4-6 of the other 15 games. Meanwhile in football they have 1 tough OOC game and then 5-6 other tough games.

Smoke and mirrors or not- Texas basketball success will be compared to how well the Longhorns compete with Kansas basketball.

(04-05-2015 09:26 AM)bitcruncher Wrote:  Shaka Smart is going to find the going a good bit tougher in the Big XII than it is in the A-10. The Big XII may not have Richmond, but there are a lot of other teams that will give him even more trouble than the Spiders did.

The travel, as WVU has found out, is another challenge.

(04-05-2015 11:56 AM)chess Wrote:  

(04-05-2015 09:26 AM)bitcruncher Wrote:  Shaka Smart is going to find the going a good bit tougher in the Big XII than it is in the A-10. The Big XII may not have Richmond, but there are a lot of other teams that will give him even more trouble than the Spiders did.

The travel, as WVU has found out, is another challenge.

Travel isn't a problem for Texas, like it is for WVU. Texas makes an occasional trip out of Texas, which doesn't compare to WVU's travel at all.

I merely refer to the fact that Shaka Smart has never lead a team to a conference title. Not in 3 seasons in the CAA (average finish 4th). Not in the 3 seasons in the A-10 (average finish 3rd). The best he ever did in either conference was 2nd.

You'd think a really good coach would win those conferences at least once in 3 attempts.

(04-05-2015 12:44 PM)bitcruncher Wrote:  

(04-05-2015 11:56 AM)chess Wrote:  

(04-05-2015 09:26 AM)bitcruncher Wrote:  Shaka Smart is going to find the going a good bit tougher in the Big XII than it is in the A-10. The Big XII may not have Richmond, but there are a lot of other teams that will give him even more trouble than the Spiders did.

The travel, as WVU has found out, is another challenge.

Travel isn't a problem for Texas, like it is for WVU. Texas makes an occasional trip out of Texas, which doesn't compare to WVU's travel at all.

I merely refer to the fact that Shaka Smart has never lead a team to a conference title. Not in 3 seasons in the CAA (average finish 4th). Not in the 3 seasons in the A-10 (average finish 3rd). The best he ever did in either conference was 2nd.

You'd think a really good coach would win those conferences at least once in 3 attempts.

This year kind of is an asterisk though. He finished 2 games out, despite losing 5 games after a key guy had tore his ACL. Lost 4 of those games by a total of 15 points. Then they won their conference tourney.

They've also gone 15-4 in conference tournament those 6 years, appearing in the final every year except for his 1st year, winning 2 of those finals.

(04-05-2015 11:55 AM)chess Wrote:  

(04-04-2015 04:32 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(04-04-2015 04:22 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(04-04-2015 11:34 AM)LouPower Wrote:  

(04-04-2015 11:15 AM)BigHouston Wrote:  USC/Trojans, Michigan and UT are my top 3 programs I will consider worth moving for, period.

That said, if Smart can do what he did at VCU, UT will hold on to him, if not, he will be gone in 3 years, IMO.

Great jobs come with big, big expectations.

Shaka Smart can hit all of them. He's a great coach and recruiter.

I do believe similar statements were made about Strong when he was hired. You think Shaka can get it done in the first year?

I think it's a lot easier to do it in basketball than it is football. You can with pretty much just smoke and mirrors win 20 games fairly easily. You get 8-10 gimme wins and then for instance the Big 12 has Kansas St, TCU, and Texas Tech who aren't all that great. So that's 14-16 wins there. Then it's just winning 4-6 of the other 15 games. Meanwhile in football they have 1 tough OOC game and then 5-6 other tough games.

Smoke and mirrors or not- Texas basketball success will be compared to how well the Longhorns compete with Kansas basketball.

Long term yes. But short term, 1st year- not necessarily. The point is, Texas could go 20-12 1st year pretty easily- big part of that is the schedule. A casual fan sees that and thinks he's doing ok. But then same casual fan sees 6-6 with the football and is shocked.

With a tough schedule, in football the equivalent of 20-12 is 8-4. .500 is .500.

(04-05-2015 01:45 PM)_C2_ Wrote:  With a tough schedule, in football the equivalent of 20-12 is 8-4. .500 is .500.

no it's not.....

Texas this year in basketball- went 20-14.
They had games against-
North Dakota St, Alcorn St, St Francis PA, UT Arlington, Texas St, Lipscomb, Long Beach St, and Rice. 8 games- all against teams in Ken Pom lower than 140. Then had Cal who was #112 as well- so 9 sub 100 wins OOC....

They then went 7-0 vs Texas Tech, Kansas St, and TCU.

So 16 wins...

They then went 4-14 against the rest of their schedule- 16 of those games coming against NCAA tourney teams.

Now compare to football....
They had 1 bad team OOC- North Texas. So 1 win.
They had wins over Kansas, Iowa St, Texas Tech in conference play that were sub .500 teams. So 4 wins....

They then went 1-7 against the rest of their schedule. Of which BYU, West Virginia, and Oklahoma St were not really all that great. You could even say the same about Oklahoma and Arkansas quite frankly.

The difference between basketball and football is you have so much fluff built into the schedule with basketball now it's not funny.

Touche.