(04-02-2015 09:38 PM)CajunFanatico Wrote:  

(04-02-2015 09:20 PM)Saint3333 Wrote:  

(04-02-2015 05:07 PM)Atlanta Trojan Wrote:  

(04-02-2015 05:01 PM)Saint3333 Wrote:  

(04-02-2015 04:56 PM)Atlanta Trojan Wrote:  GS Is in the same problem TROY, ULM, App state have.... No market. Statesboro is basically the size of Troy

GS won't be called up anytime soon.

JMU and Liberty have that same issue yet seem to be considered by some.

JMU and Liberty are in larger cities than any of the 4 schools I mentioned

50k and 75k respectively. Those are not large towns.

I still chuckle every time I think of that LaTech fan talking about the Ruston metro area.

Another unprovoked, lame attack against La Tech by a guy that is obsessed with everything Tech does. Ruston is a small college town that is the home of La Tech. Everybody that voted to invite us into CUSA knew this. Still, La Tech was picked over ULL. That was three years ago. It's not the fault of anyone at La Tech that no other G5 conference has any interest in adding ULL. Your anger about ULL's situation would be better directed at the the yoyo's that run your university instead of spewing it out at La Tech and your SBC conference mates. Those ULL administrators are the people that sat around and watched while La Tech made the necessary moves to get where it wanted to be. You should stop blaming La Tech and everybody in the SBC for ULL's shortcomings and focus on how to correct them. I'd suggest you start with a little training in public relations for everybody associated with ULL.

(04-03-2015 04:12 AM)NewTimes Wrote:  

(04-02-2015 09:53 PM)Saint3333 Wrote:  

(04-02-2015 09:49 PM)NewTimes Wrote:  

(04-02-2015 09:20 PM)Saint3333 Wrote:  

(04-02-2015 05:07 PM)Atlanta Trojan Wrote:  JMU and Liberty are in larger cities than any of the 4 schools I mentioned

50k and 75k respectively. Those are not large towns.

That's not quite true. While the cith population of Lynchburg is around 75,000, Va is unique in that cities are independent unlike most other areas where the cities are within counties. The metro area of Lynchburg, with surrounding counties in their SMSA is around 200,000.

Yeah and you have 20k on campus students and 90k online, neither set of stats change the opinion of Liberty's worth compared to other options.

The clarification was made to explain the uniqueness or odd way population is reported in Virginia, not when or where Liberty will gain FBS membership. But we'll seek your wisdom when the opportunities arise.

Don't be coy, the only reason you post here it to prop Liberty up as am option for FBS. Sorry to point out your current situation, I know first hand how frustrating it can be. Maybe next year.

(04-03-2015 07:14 AM)Saint3333 Wrote:  

(04-03-2015 04:12 AM)NewTimes Wrote:  

(04-02-2015 09:53 PM)Saint3333 Wrote:  

(04-02-2015 09:49 PM)NewTimes Wrote:  

(04-02-2015 09:20 PM)Saint3333 Wrote:  50k and 75k respectively. Those are not large towns.

That's not quite true. While the cith population of Lynchburg is around 75,000, Va is unique in that cities are independent unlike most other areas where the cities are within counties. The metro area of Lynchburg, with surrounding counties in their SMSA is around 200,000.

Yeah and you have 20k on campus students and 90k online, neither set of stats change the opinion of Liberty's worth compared to other options.

The clarification was made to explain the uniqueness or odd way population is reported in Virginia, not when or where Liberty will gain FBS membership. But we'll seek your wisdom when the opportunities arise.

Don't be coy, the only reason you post here it to prop Liberty up as am option for FBS. Sorry to point out your current situation, I know first hand how frustrating it can be. Maybe next year.

True I desire LU to become FBS as others on this site have also stated and others not. When blanket statements are said about how the school will never achieve it or are unworthy, it's just not valid. And we who posts here, and I reply to post when Liberty is mentioned, really only have our views, opinions and thoughts of what is expected to happen. Many make valid points of how it is going to happen. Others make blanket, off the cuff statements that are that, and that only. You, me and I'm guessing everyone who posts here offer our thoughts and opinions, some stronger and more valid than others. I'm more frustrated with the missteps the school makes at times than giving tremendous credence to the opinion of posters, myself included. They are just opinions.

Someone posted JMU and Liberty have larger "markets" than some SBC programs. My data shows the difference is minimal at best.

Liberty isn't in the top 10 options for CUSA, and due to differences outside of sports aren't viable for the SBC unless desperation sets in. I'm personally not against Liberty, but my prior statement isn't an opinion it is reality as of 4/3/15.

(04-03-2015 07:34 AM)Saint3333 Wrote:  Someone posted JMU and Liberty have larger "markets" than some SBC programs. My data shows the difference is minimal at best.

Liberty isn't in the top 10 options for CUSA, and due to differences outside of sports aren't viable for the SBC unless desperation sets in. I'm personally not against Liberty, but my prior statement isn't an opinion it is reality as of 4/3/15.

That just isn't true if you go by what the informed posters of this board say. We are allegedly fighting with JMU for the east's top candidate.

(04-03-2015 06:35 AM)BRtransplant Wrote:  Another unprovoked, lame attack against La Tech by a guy that is obsessed with everything Tech does. Ruston is a small college town that is the home of La Tech. Everybody that voted to invite us into CUSA knew this. Still, La Tech was picked over ULL. That was three years ago. It's not the fault of anyone at La Tech that no other G5 conference has any interest in adding ULL. Your anger about ULL's situation would be better directed at the the yoyo's that run your university instead of spewing it out at La Tech and your SBC conference mates. Those ULL administrators are the people that sat around and watched while La Tech made the necessary moves to get where it wanted to be. You should stop blaming La Tech and everybody in the SBC for ULL's shortcomings and focus on how to correct them. I'd suggest you start with a little training in public relations for everybody associated with ULL.

Unprovked attack. Sensitive much? Ruston metro area.

(04-03-2015 07:34 AM)Saint3333 Wrote:  Someone posted JMU and Liberty have larger "markets" than some SBC programs. My data shows the difference is minimal at best.

Liberty isn't in the top 10 options for CUSA, and due to differences outside of sports aren't viable for the SBC unless desperation sets in. I'm personally not against Liberty, but my prior statement isn't an opinion it is reality as of 4/3/15.

So if there are 10 more appealing options for CUSA, then who might they be? You said 10, can you name them?

Regarding your data that is different, can you provide provide a reference? I would like to compare the SMSA of each.

200,000 isn't a market of significance, stop pretending it is.

JMU, App, GA St., GS, ULL, Ark. St, USA, NMSU, Texas St., Ohio would all be better options. Go start a poll over there if you'd like.

I'd love to see CUSA add Liberty. It means they don't pull anyone from the SBC, it likely forces JMU to move up, and threads like this one die. Just don't see CUSA programs looking past some of the issues Liberty faces.

(04-03-2015 08:49 AM)Saint3333 Wrote:  200,000 isn't a market of significance, stop pretending it is.

JMU, App, GA St., GS, ULL, Ark. St, USA, NMSU, Texas St., Ohio would all be better options. Go start a poll over there if you'd like.

I'd love to see CUSA add Liberty. It means they don't pull anyone from the SBC and it likely forces JMU to move up. Just don't see CUSA programs looking past some of the issues Liberty faces.

The 200,000 mention is to correct the 75,000 statement that was incorrect. I just checked Wiki and it is 247,000 for the Lynchburg SMSA and Roanoke is about 300,000. So that is 547,000 for the Roanoke-Lynchburg SMSA. No pretending. Stated facts.

I understand the JMU mention and agree. I find it unusual that most all of your other teams are members of the SBC. That's unusual logic, a little off balance but true. In most all situations an existing FBS school would be more desirable than an FCS call up. I can kind of see your point but it's seems quizzical at best and seems almost a pointless point. Using that logic it seems you would support have 2-3 members leave the SBC for CUSA along with JMU. Kinda weird but I guess true.

(04-03-2015 09:06 AM)NewTimes Wrote:  

(04-03-2015 08:49 AM)Saint3333 Wrote:  200,000 isn't a market of significance, stop pretending it is.

JMU, App, GA St., GS, ULL, Ark. St, USA, NMSU, Texas St., Ohio would all be better options. Go start a poll over there if you'd like.

I'd love to see CUSA add Liberty. It means they don't pull anyone from the SBC and it likely forces JMU to move up. Just don't see CUSA programs looking past some of the issues Liberty faces.

The 200,000 mention is to correct the 75,000 statement that was incorrect. I just checked Wiki and it is 247,000 for the Lynchburg SMSA and Roanoke is about 300,000. So that is 547,000 for the Roanoke-Lynchburg SMSA. No pretending. Stated facts.

I understand the JMU mention and agree. I find it unusual that most all of your other teams are members of the SBC. That's unusual logic, a little off balance but true. In most all situations an existing FBS school would be more desirable than an FCS call up. I can kind of see your point but it's seems quizzical at best and seems almost a pointless point. Using that logic it seems you would support have 2-3 members leave the SBC for CUSA along with JMU. Kinda weird but I guess true.

It's not "kinda weird" as all of those schools make sense in some way or another.

JMU: close rival for ODU and Marshall that doesn't have the baggage Liberty does
App: close rival for UNCC and is smack dab in the middle of the eastern division
Ga. St.: brings in the Atlanta market, which is huge, and connects the conference with Georgia, as well as decent basketball
Ga. So.: great football and connects the conference with Georgia
ULL: quickly growing school that would be an amazing rival for La. Tech
USA: replaces UAB, should UAB be given the boot, meaning CUSA remains in Alabama
NMSU: great travel partner for UTEP and their basketball program is something many wouldn't mind having
Texas St.: facilities are mind blowingly good and they round out Texas as a whole
Ohio: brings with it a whole new market and state with great room for huge growth

Add to that these schools:
Missouri State: great basketball and another new state/market
Coastal Carolina: huge room for growth, in a new market, and gets CUSA into South Carolina
Chattanooga: should they decide to move up, UTC has the facilities, market, and record to prove their a good choice

So, yes, there is a long list of schools that would likely be looked at before Liberty got the call. We can talk about your records and your checkbook all day long, but that's not what is keeping you out... it's your administration and what they have done in the past. You guys are always going to be connected with what was said in the past and what is currently being said at your school.

Using the notion that established FBS schools in the footprint of a conference would be taken ahead of an FCS transitional is unusual logic and pointless???

We are very far apart on the definition of what makes a viable option as an addition to an existing FBS conference.

rknj expanded on everyone of my "10" very well.

(04-03-2015 10:19 AM)Saint3333 Wrote:  Using the notion that established FBS schools in the footprint of a conference would be taken ahead of an FCS transitional is unusual logic and pointless???

We are very far apart on the definition of what makes a viable option as an addition to an existing FBS conference.

rknj expanded on everyone of my "10" very well.

He obviously was only thinking of FCS schools when he considered your 10. The funny thing is that instead of realizing his mistake he just decided to say you were the one with the issue. BTW, I thought 10 was conservative.

(04-02-2015 11:03 AM)Georgia_Power_Company Wrote:  If CUSA were able to raid the Sun Belt for Three teams I think the worst case would be they take and combination of ULL, stAte, Texas St, USA and GS.

It would be a slightly lesser hit if they go for markets and take three such as GSU, USA and ULL.

Best case is they take no one or only one - preferably Georgia State.

Statement #2 - Why?

(04-03-2015 09:59 AM)rknj8993 Wrote:  

(04-03-2015 09:06 AM)NewTimes Wrote:  

(04-03-2015 08:49 AM)Saint3333 Wrote:  200,000 isn't a market of significance, stop pretending it is.

JMU, App, GA St., GS, ULL, Ark. St, USA, NMSU, Texas St., Ohio would all be better options. Go start a poll over there if you'd like.

I'd love to see CUSA add Liberty. It means they don't pull anyone from the SBC and it likely forces JMU to move up. Just don't see CUSA programs looking past some of the issues Liberty faces.

The 200,000 mention is to correct the 75,000 statement that was incorrect. I just checked Wiki and it is 247,000 for the Lynchburg SMSA and Roanoke is about 300,000. So that is 547,000 for the Roanoke-Lynchburg SMSA. No pretending. Stated facts.

I understand the JMU mention and agree. I find it unusual that most all of your other teams are members of the SBC. That's unusual logic, a little off balance but true. In most all situations an existing FBS school would be more desirable than an FCS call up. I can kind of see your point but it's seems quizzical at best and seems almost a pointless point. Using that logic it seems you would support have 2-3 members leave the SBC for CUSA along with JMU. Kinda weird but I guess true.

It's not "kinda weird" as all of those schools make sense in some way or another.

JMU: close rival for ODU and Marshall that doesn't have the baggage Liberty does
App: close rival for UNCC and is smack dab in the middle of the eastern division
Ga. St.: brings in the Atlanta market, which is huge, and connects the conference with Georgia, as well as decent basketball
Ga. So.: great football and connects the conference with Georgia
ULL: quickly growing school that would be an amazing rival for La. Tech
USA: replaces UAB, should UAB be given the boot, meaning CUSA remains in Alabama
NMSU: great travel partner for UTEP and their basketball program is something many wouldn't mind having
Texas St.: facilities are mind blowingly good and they round out Texas as a whole
Ohio: brings with it a whole new market and state with great room for huge growth

Add to that these schools:
Missouri State: great basketball and another new state/market
Coastal Carolina: huge room for growth, in a new market, and gets CUSA into South Carolina
Chattanooga: should they decide to move up, UTC has the facilities, market, and record to prove their a good choice

So, yes, there is a long list of schools that would likely be looked at before Liberty got the call. We can talk about your records and your checkbook all day long, but that's not what is keeping you out... it's your administration and what they have done in the past. You guys are always going to be connected with what was said in the past and what is currently being said at your school.

It's probably best at this point to agree that we disagree. The scenario you present just doesn't make sense to me and that's okay. You're likely saying the same about mine. That's why we participate on a sporta bbs, to express our opinions.

The presidents of the universities that make these decisions share one side's opinion in this debate.

(04-03-2015 11:44 AM)JoeJag Wrote:  

(04-02-2015 11:03 AM)Georgia_Power_Company Wrote:  If CUSA were able to raid the Sun Belt for Three teams I think the worst case would be they take and combination of ULL, stAte, Texas St, USA and GS.

It would be a slightly lesser hit if they go for markets and take three such as GSU, USA and ULL.

Best case is they take no one or only one - preferably Georgia State.

Statement #2 - Why?

Only slightly lesser hit to the conference because they take GSU. GSU has been good in basketball for a couple of years but that has not been historically the case so if that fails they have to fall back onto a market they can't deliver. USA and ULL are the real loss in scenario #2.

(04-03-2015 12:27 PM)Saint3333 Wrote:  The presidents of the universities that make these decisions share one side's opinion in this debate.

I agree. You see how polarizing the politics are in Indiana (and Arkansas) right now. To me, adding Liberty would be just as polarizing to the university presidents. I don't think they want their school associated to another school that has beliefs that would discriminate against part of their student body. The Sun Belt isn't made up of private, religious institutions where this could pass. Liberty would have to make bigger strides in its efforts to be inclusive before it had a chance, I think. And having Ted Cruz stump for presidency in Liberty Convocation with his beliefs isn't distancing Liberty from those notions at all.

(04-02-2015 09:49 PM)rbostic218 Wrote:  

(04-02-2015 09:40 PM)Usajags Wrote:  

(04-02-2015 09:20 PM)Saint3333 Wrote:  

(04-02-2015 05:07 PM)Atlanta Trojan Wrote:  

(04-02-2015 05:01 PM)Saint3333 Wrote:  JMU and Liberty have that same issue yet seem to be considered by some.

JMU and Liberty are in larger cities than any of the 4 schools I mentioned

50k and 75k respectively. Those are not large towns.

Starkville, MS. 23,888
Oxford, MS. 20,865
Fayetteville, AR. 78,960
Blacksburg, VA. 43,609


Population of the town means nothing. Winning and history mean everything. Stop with the population of the town argument, you are either relevant, or you're GaSt.

DUDE!!! Man you should know better than to talk bad about our best basketball team.

If GS has a winning season next year can we be considered a basketball school too? That seems to be the criteria.

You actually have to win something to be considered a basketball school.

(04-03-2015 09:06 AM)NewTimes Wrote:  

(04-03-2015 08:49 AM)Saint3333 Wrote:  200,000 isn't a market of significance, stop pretending it is.

JMU, App, GA St., GS, ULL, Ark. St, USA, NMSU, Texas St., Ohio would all be better options. Go start a poll over there if you'd like.

I'd love to see CUSA add Liberty. It means they don't pull anyone from the SBC and it likely forces JMU to move up. Just don't see CUSA programs looking past some of the issues Liberty faces.

The 200,000 mention is to correct the 75,000 statement that was incorrect. I just checked Wiki and it is 247,000 for the Lynchburg SMSA and Roanoke is about 300,000. So that is 547,000 for the Roanoke-Lynchburg SMSA. No pretending. Stated facts.

I understand the JMU mention and agree. I find it unusual that most all of your other teams are members of the SBC. That's unusual logic, a little off balance but true. In most all situations an existing FBS school would be more desirable than an FCS call up. I can kind of see your point but it's seems quizzical at best and seems almost a pointless point. Using that logic it seems you would support have 2-3 members leave the SBC for CUSA along with JMU. Kinda weird but I guess true.

I like that logic. That means we could add the 6,490,180 in the Houston-Sugar Land-Woodlands MSA with two of the nine counties bordering the 405,427 in the Beaumont-Port Arthur MSA on the west and the 203,883 in the Lake Charles MSA with its two parishes bordering on the east. That would give us claim to 7,000,000+

Actually, after driving in the traffic between Houston and Beaumont, I think there is probably some validity in assuming there is at least some connection of contiguous MSA's regardless of where they are located.

(04-03-2015 12:41 PM)SkullyMaroo Wrote:  

(04-03-2015 12:27 PM)Saint3333 Wrote:  The presidents of the universities that make these decisions share one side's opinion in this debate.

I agree. You see how polarizing the politics are in Indiana (and Arkansas) right now. To me, adding Liberty would be just as polarizing to the university presidents. I don't think they want their school associated to another school that has beliefs that would discriminate against part of their student body. The Sun Belt isn't made up of private, religious institutions where this could pass. Liberty would have to make bigger strides in its efforts to be inclusive before it had a chance, I think. And having Ted Cruz stump for presidency in Liberty Convocation with his beliefs isn't distancing Liberty from those notions at all.

At times, Liberty has been it's own worst enemy.