(04-01-2015 10:31 AM)knightalum74 Wrote:  

(04-01-2015 05:07 AM)Cubanbull Wrote:  2. USF did recruit and signed a dual threat QB that fits the spread this year

Cuban,

No flame here, just wanted some clarity. The only QB I see committed in the 2015 class was the kid from Ohio, but they have him listed as a Pro-style QB.

Is there someone else that isn't properly listed?

White seemed to have the most promise but never got it together and I totally see a system change not being right for him, but it looks like CWT continued to recruit Pro-Style QB's.

Kean is not a pro style QB. He is a dual threat QB

http://espn.go.com/college-sports/footba...brett-kean

(04-01-2015 05:31 AM)St. H. Gink Wrote:  What impresses me is that through the start of USF spring practice for 2015 just a few weeks ago, Mike White was always the #1 QB and drawing some pretty outrageous comparisons by your fans. All of a sudden - just a few weeks later - "we expected him to transfer since he was #3 on the depth chart."

Many fans on the USF board were shocked at his release yesterday but to some fans on here, this is a non-story and expected. Move along, right? All is well.

Guess you didn't read any of the Spring releases. Flowers has been #1 since the start. As for White I wish the kid well, I would have loved for him to stay around but not surprised he wanted to transfer since the switch in systems did not fit him

From March 27th http://www.tampabay.com/sports/college/f...le/2223083

March 27th article Tampa paper
"In most practices over the last month, Flowers has taken the first snaps, followed by senior-to-be Steven Bench and rising junior Mike White, normally in that order. As the Bulls have segued from a pro-style offense to a high-tempo spread, Flowers similarly has evolved from erratic to electric, tucking and running when his progressions don't pan out."

From March 24rth Spring Game Reports


Post: #7 |
RE: Update from AAC spring practices

The news coming out of USF so far are:
1. Flowers its playing as the #1 QB and from reports has improved his passing to the point he is beating White so far. We shall see in Spring game and in the Fall if that holds out.
2. The defense is looking good and aggressive in the 4-2-5 system
3. Offense playing a faster pace with more spread looks is also looking better.

Of course in the Spring everything sounds good for every school.

March 18th Tampa Times
http://www.tampabay.com/blogs/bulls/spri...er/2221842
"For those tracking USF's latest quarterback derby, the spring pattern has been impossible to miss. In recent practices including Saturday's scrimmage, sophomore Quinton Flowers has taken the first snaps, followed by upperclassmen Steven Bench and Mike White.

Coincidence? Not according to Coach Willie Taggart. When asked Wednesday if Bulls fans should read anything into the QB sequence, Taggart said, "The guys who play the best are gonna be there."

All of your links are from mid to late March. I specifically wrote that Mike White was the #1 QB through the start of spring practice. USF's spring practice began in late February. The articles you linked are from right before the Spring Game when it was established that Flowers had separated himself.

I don't know why USF fans would get up in arms about this thread. When your starter from the previous year and leader heading into spring announces just a few weeks later he wants out of the program, it's going to get noticed. The USF board alone has several multi-page threads about this with several posters sharing how shocked they were to hear this. To try to put out the flames and make it seem like I'm putting down USF is a bit of an overreaction. We're not fooling anyone here about the current state of USF football.

(04-01-2015 07:43 AM)Bull Wrote:  

(04-01-2015 05:31 AM)St. H. Gink Wrote:  What impresses me is that through the start of USF spring practice for 2015 just a few weeks ago, Mike White was always the #1 QB and drawing some pretty outrageous comparisons by your fans. All of a sudden - just a few weeks later - "we expected him to transfer since he was #3 on the depth chart."

Many fans on the USF board were shocked at his release yesterday but to some fans on here, this is a non-story and expected. Move along, right? All is well.

I agree with your premise and said as much earlier... I find it hard to believe Flowers has progressed THAT much. But as Cuban and others have pointed out, we're in the midst of a major scheme change. This much we know: White was not really improving in a linear fashion and did have mobility issues. He's NOT the best QB for the new scheme. He was a great kid, but pretty hot and cold. It doesn't matter what message board posters say, we'll see in the fall how it really works out.

Well said.

Anybody who is in the know has known that Mike was running 2nd to third throughout the spring. Hes a real quality kid and has been a vocal advocate for USF. I am thankful for all he has done but he simply didnt fit the new scheme. Hes a pro style and thats not who we are anymore.

This entire thread is just BS. Typical UCF fan trying to turn nothing into something.

(04-01-2015 11:43 AM)Cubanbull Wrote:  

(04-01-2015 05:31 AM)St. H. Gink Wrote:  What impresses me is that through the start of USF spring practice for 2015 just a few weeks ago, Mike White was always the #1 QB and drawing some pretty outrageous comparisons by your fans. All of a sudden - just a few weeks later - "we expected him to transfer since he was #3 on the depth chart."

Many fans on the USF board were shocked at his release yesterday but to some fans on here, this is a non-story and expected. Move along, right? All is well.

Guess you didn't read any of the Spring releases. Flowers has been #1 since the start. As for White I wish the kid well, I would have loved for him to stay around but not surprised he wanted to transfer since the switch in systems did not fit him

From March 27th http://www.tampabay.com/sports/college/f...le/2223083

March 27th article Tampa paper
"In most practices over the last month, Flowers has taken the first snaps, followed by senior-to-be Steven Bench and rising junior Mike White, normally in that order. As the Bulls have segued from a pro-style offense to a high-tempo spread, Flowers similarly has evolved from erratic to electric, tucking and running when his progressions don't pan out."

From March 24rth Spring Game Reports


Post: #7 |
RE: Update from AAC spring practices

The news coming out of USF so far are:
1. Flowers its playing as the #1 QB and from reports has improved his passing to the point he is beating White so far. We shall see in Spring game and in the Fall if that holds out.
2. The defense is looking good and aggressive in the 4-2-5 system
3. Offense playing a faster pace with more spread looks is also looking better.

Of course in the Spring everything sounds good for every school.

March 18th Tampa Times
http://www.tampabay.com/blogs/bulls/spri...er/2221842
"For those tracking USF's latest quarterback derby, the spring pattern has been impossible to miss. In recent practices including Saturday's scrimmage, sophomore Quinton Flowers has taken the first snaps, followed by upperclassmen Steven Bench and Mike White.

Coincidence? Not according to Coach Willie Taggart. When asked Wednesday if Bulls fans should read anything into the QB sequence, Taggart said, "The guys who play the best are gonna be there."

useless trying to respond...

(04-01-2015 02:32 PM)mtmedlin Wrote:  This entire thread is just BS. Typical UCF fan trying to turn nothing into something.

Shocking....

(04-01-2015 02:43 PM)CyberBull Wrote:  

(04-01-2015 11:43 AM)Cubanbull Wrote:  

(04-01-2015 05:31 AM)St. H. Gink Wrote:  What impresses me is that through the start of USF spring practice for 2015 just a few weeks ago, Mike White was always the #1 QB and drawing some pretty outrageous comparisons by your fans. All of a sudden - just a few weeks later - "we expected him to transfer since he was #3 on the depth chart."

Many fans on the USF board were shocked at his release yesterday but to some fans on here, this is a non-story and expected. Move along, right? All is well.

Guess you didn't read any of the Spring releases. Flowers has been #1 since the start. As for White I wish the kid well, I would have loved for him to stay around but not surprised he wanted to transfer since the switch in systems did not fit him

From March 27th http://www.tampabay.com/sports/college/f...le/2223083

March 27th article Tampa paper
"In most practices over the last month, Flowers has taken the first snaps, followed by senior-to-be Steven Bench and rising junior Mike White, normally in that order. As the Bulls have segued from a pro-style offense to a high-tempo spread, Flowers similarly has evolved from erratic to electric, tucking and running when his progressions don't pan out."

From March 24rth Spring Game Reports


Post: #7 |
RE: Update from AAC spring practices

The news coming out of USF so far are:
1. Flowers its playing as the #1 QB and from reports has improved his passing to the point he is beating White so far. We shall see in Spring game and in the Fall if that holds out.
2. The defense is looking good and aggressive in the 4-2-5 system
3. Offense playing a faster pace with more spread looks is also looking better.

Of course in the Spring everything sounds good for every school.

March 18th Tampa Times
http://www.tampabay.com/blogs/bulls/spri...er/2221842
"For those tracking USF's latest quarterback derby, the spring pattern has been impossible to miss. In recent practices including Saturday's scrimmage, sophomore Quinton Flowers has taken the first snaps, followed by upperclassmen Steven Bench and Mike White.

Coincidence? Not according to Coach Willie Taggart. When asked Wednesday if Bulls fans should read anything into the QB sequence, Taggart said, "The guys who play the best are gonna be there."

useless trying to respond...

You are correct.

Not here to start trouble (shocking), but I think Judy is putting too much pressure into win now. Taggert needs to feel like he has at least 5 year's to build the program. Nobody in the AAC has the luxury of filling theor football squad with 4-5 star players so you have to build up a team and find the right pieces. Constantly firing coaches doesn't work and wastes money.

(04-02-2015 08:26 AM)KNIGHTTIME Wrote:  Not here to start trouble (shocking), but I think Judy is putting too much pressure into win now. Taggert needs to feel like he has at least 5 year's to build the program. Nobody in the AAC has the luxury of filling theor football squad with 4-5 star players so you have to build up a team and find the right pieces. Constantly firing coaches doesn't work and wastes money.

Interesting take... Unfortunately I think time is a luxury we just don't have. Don't forget, we're actually now at 4+ years of astonishingly abysmal play, 2 with Holtz, 2 with Taggart. Problem is what that has done to attendance and revenues. At least as it's been explained to me, the program simply cannot survive long drawing a handful of fans to the game, not financially tenable.

Given the weird circumstances with Levitts departure, the program was actually winning, Holtz stepped into a talent laden program. That's what makes what Holtz did so bad... he was not here to revive a bad program, he was just here to jump onboard a 'good' program, and then destroyed it. To be fair, Taggart was given the job of reviving a horrible program, and I agree with you that does take time... and based on his recruiting we SHOULD be seeing improvement soon. But, in his first two seasons a lot of folks have legit complaints about his coaching, one of the reasons everyone BUT Taggart was canned. And while recruiting has been pretty positive, we still don't have a legit QB (yet). Not good. Probably the only reason Taggart survived another 2 win season (very closes to winless, as was his first...), was the fact that we are (thanks to our former ADs marvelous genius...) still paying Holtz.

Anyway, we shall see man... I'm always optimistic, but the last 4 years kind of beat it out of me.

Guys we are so way off topic that I can barely see the road from the heat coming off it... (youngsters may not get that reference...).

Keep it classy (and on topic) on both sides, we're all in the same conference and share a lot of common interests now!

(04-02-2015 08:26 AM)KNIGHTTIME Wrote:  Not here to start trouble (shocking), but I think Judy is putting too much pressure into win now. Taggert needs to feel like he has at least 5 year's to build the program. Nobody in the AAC has the luxury of filling theor football squad with 4-5 star players so you have to build up a team and find the right pieces. Constantly firing coaches doesn't work and wastes money.

I tend to agree but from all indications that Ive heard he needs 6 wins this year or else hes out the door. I still believe in Taggart. He doesnt have a ton of head coaching experience, so some mistakes will be made but the man is loved by his players, is the best recruiter ive seen and as time goes on i gurantee he will get this turned around in the right direction.

(04-02-2015 08:45 AM)Bull Wrote:  

(04-02-2015 08:26 AM)KNIGHTTIME Wrote:  Not here to start trouble (shocking), but I think Judy is putting too much pressure into win now. Taggert needs to feel like he has at least 5 year's to build the program. Nobody in the AAC has the luxury of filling theor football squad with 4-5 star players so you have to build up a team and find the right pieces. Constantly firing coaches doesn't work and wastes money.

Interesting take... Unfortunately I think time is a luxury we just don't have. Don't forget, we're actually now at 4+ years of astonishingly abysmal play, 2 with Holtz, 2 with Taggart. Problem is what that has done to attendance and revenues. At least as it's been explained to me, the program simply cannot survive long drawing a handful of fans to the game, not financially tenable.

Given the weird circumstances with Levitts departure, the program was actually winning, Holtz stepped into a talent laden program. That's what makes what Holtz did so bad... he was not here to revive a bad program, he was just here to jump onboard a 'good' program, and then destroyed it. To be fair, Taggart was given the job of reviving a horrible program, and I agree with you that does take time... and based on his recruiting we SHOULD be seeing improvement soon. But, in his first two seasons a lot of folks have legit complaints about his coaching, one of the reasons everyone BUT Taggart was canned. And while recruiting has been pretty positive, we still don't have a legit QB (yet). Not good. Probably the only reason Taggart survived another 2 win season (very closes to winless, as was his first...), was the fact that we are (thanks to our former ADs marvelous genius...) still paying Holtz.

Anyway, we shall see man... I'm always optimistic, but the last 4 years kind of beat it out of me.

He won 2 first year and 4 in second year.
He will probably need 6 to keep his job and I think he has a good chance at that.
Lets wait and see what happens in Fall

Sorry Cuban, you're right on his record.