If you are truly troubled by the number of bowl games then instead of complaining about the Sunbelt having 3 bowl tie-ins for 11 teams you should be complaining about the SEC having 11 bowls for 14 teams.

(04-02-2015 07:26 AM)perimeterpost Wrote:  If you are truly troubled by the number of bowl games then instead of complaining about the Sunbelt having 3 bowl tie-ins for 11 teams you should be complaining about the SEC having 11 bowls for 14 teams.

People CARE about SEC teams. Alabama will sell out their spring game.

Very few people care about some directional school from the MAC vs. some school from a Podunk town in the SBC. They literally cannot give away tickets to a regular game much less Spring scrimmages.

Bowl games are exhibitions, not a playoff. I'd rather watch ANY of the P5 conference teams...even with a losing record...than ANY of the "G5"...with the exception of Cincinnati...even if they have winning records. Seriously.

(04-02-2015 07:34 AM)BearcatJerry Wrote:  

(04-02-2015 07:26 AM)perimeterpost Wrote:  If you are truly troubled by the number of bowl games then instead of complaining about the Sunbelt having 3 bowl tie-ins for 11 teams you should be complaining about the SEC having 11 bowls for 14 teams.

People CARE about SEC teams. Alabama will sell out their spring game.

Very few people care about some directional school from the MAC vs. some school from a Podunk town in the SBC. They literally cannot give away tickets to a regular game much less Spring scrimmages.

Bowl games are exhibitions, not a playoff. I'd rather watch ANY of the P5 conference teams...even with a losing record...than ANY of the "G5"...with the exception of Cincinnati...even if they have winning records. Seriously.

so the P5 gets decades of national press and bowl game "exhibitions" which feeds interest in their programs while the G5 in turn gets ignored for decades, making it more difficult to increase interest, and you turn around and blame the lack of support of the ignored teams for the reason they shouldn't get more attention. BRILLIANT analysis.

I went backed and looked, last year the following teams were bowl eligible plus the FCS Transition that were held put

UAB, TX ST, OHIO, Temple, MTSU, Go South, ODU, App St.

That was 8 teams and UAB killed football. That leaves 7 teams for 8 Slots next year. While I think all the bowls will be approved. I think the wiser NCAA decision should be only add one more bowl and tell two others they will be the first two considered for next year if there are four teams left out. Since the AAC & SB have Orlando, I would go with Tucson with MWC and CUSA.

To me this is another sign of why there will be a need for more FBS teams. It would not surprise me if conference sponsorship requirement is killed and allows teams to be FBS Independents. I actually think this makes more sense, allows team to show if they can be FBS teams and allows conferences to pick teams that actually may succeed. For example, lets say Liberty, UAB, EKU, Missouri St & JMU went this route. If the SB wanted to expand to get a championship game, they could at least see how these schools are doing. I actually remember the days when Penn State, Pitt, Syracuse, WVU and others were Independent. I think we could be seeing a trend to get back 10 or more schools being FBS Independent. Just one guy's thought.

(04-02-2015 07:34 AM)BearcatJerry Wrote:  

(04-02-2015 07:26 AM)perimeterpost Wrote:  If you are truly troubled by the number of bowl games then instead of complaining about the Sunbelt having 3 bowl tie-ins for 11 teams you should be complaining about the SEC having 11 bowls for 14 teams.

People CARE about SEC teams. Alabama will sell out their spring game.

Very few people care about some directional school from the MAC vs. some school from a Podunk town in the SBC. They literally cannot give away tickets to a regular game much less Spring scrimmages.

Bowl games are exhibitions, not a playoff. I'd rather watch ANY of the P5 conference teams...even with a losing record...than ANY of the "G5"...with the exception of Cincinnati...even if they have winning records. Seriously.

Then it's pretty simple.

DONT WATCH IT.

Considering that bowling, darts, cheerleading etc are on tv, more college football choices are just fine with me.

(04-02-2015 07:34 AM)BearcatJerry Wrote:  

(04-02-2015 07:26 AM)perimeterpost Wrote:  If you are truly troubled by the number of bowl games then instead of complaining about the Sunbelt having 3 bowl tie-ins for 11 teams you should be complaining about the SEC having 11 bowls for 14 teams.

People CARE about SEC teams. Alabama will sell out their spring game.

Very few people care about some directional school from the MAC vs. some school from a Podunk town in the SBC. They literally cannot give away tickets to a regular game much less Spring scrimmages.

Bowl games are exhibitions, not a playoff. I'd rather watch ANY of the P5 conference teams...even with a losing record...than ANY of the "G5"...with the exception of Cincinnati...even if they have winning records. Seriously.

AState has taken 12,000 to 8,000 fans eight hours to Mobile four straight years. Shove it up your arrogant podunk.

(04-02-2015 07:43 AM)perimeterpost Wrote:  

(04-02-2015 07:34 AM)BearcatJerry Wrote:  

(04-02-2015 07:26 AM)perimeterpost Wrote:  If you are truly troubled by the number of bowl games then instead of complaining about the Sunbelt having 3 bowl tie-ins for 11 teams you should be complaining about the SEC having 11 bowls for 14 teams.

People CARE about SEC teams. Alabama will sell out their spring game.

Very few people care about some directional school from the MAC vs. some school from a Podunk town in the SBC. They literally cannot give away tickets to a regular game much less Spring scrimmages.

Bowl games are exhibitions, not a playoff. I'd rather watch ANY of the P5 conference teams...even with a losing record...than ANY of the "G5"...with the exception of Cincinnati...even if they have winning records. Seriously.

so the P5 gets decades of national press and bowl game "exhibitions" which feeds interest in their programs while the G5 in turn gets ignored for decades, making it more difficult to increase interest, and you turn around and blame the lack of support of the ignored teams for the reason they shouldn't get more attention. BRILLIANT analysis.

It is actually extremely common. See while we as a nation 23 decades ago fought against the monarcy and the idea of inheirited position, the descendants of that effort really prefer aristocracy.

The rants when Utah and then Boise then Hawaii and NIU busted were epic. They don't play eight (fill in AQ conference name) games so they obviously aren't tough even though they CAN'T play eight such games.

TCU dodged most of it because well they had fallen from grace and were being restored.

Hell the mockery of Cincinnati and UConn being in BCS games was evidence of the American sports fans contempt for non-royals.

This board had people gleefully discussing the fall of Boise after their early stumbles.

American sports fans will tolerate Cinderella in the NCAA tournament as long as Cindy goes away in the Sweet 16. In football the small guy rising is like taking a dump on the altar during mass.

(04-02-2015 07:34 AM)BearcatJerry Wrote:  

(04-02-2015 07:26 AM)perimeterpost Wrote:  If you are truly troubled by the number of bowl games then instead of complaining about the Sunbelt having 3 bowl tie-ins for 11 teams you should be complaining about the SEC having 11 bowls for 14 teams.

People CARE about SEC teams. Alabama will sell out their spring game.

Very few people care about some directional school from the MAC vs. some school from a Podunk town in the SBC. They literally cannot give away tickets to a regular game much less Spring scrimmages.

Bowl games are exhibitions, not a playoff. I'd rather watch ANY of the P5 conference teams...even with a losing record...than ANY of the "G5"...with the exception of Cincinnati...even if they have winning records. Seriously.

You're school is a G5 team and that isn't changing anytime soon. I assure you no one in Alabama gives a rats ass about your Bearcats either. Also, if you hadn't noticed or have never been anywhere else, the city of Cincinnati is a total shithole.

So another bowl for the AAC? Is this only a 1 or 2 year tie-in?
The AAC may be damaging itself with bowl directors if they keep saying yes we'll go to that bowl but never sends a team to it. Bowls will get decertified and the AAC looks damaged with other bowl directors.

(04-02-2015 08:56 AM)MWC Tex Wrote:  So another bowl for the AAC? Is there tied on a 1 or 2 year tie-in?
The AAC may be damaging itself with bowl directors if they keep saying yes we'll go to that bowl but never sends a team to it. Bowls will get decertified and the AAC looks damaged with other bowl directors.

These bowls don't really care because they are just looking for a conference signature to get certified. Is the SEC damaged becuase they will rarely send a team to the Independence Bowl? Not really. I dont think any of the people involved in these deals is really believes the AAC will be there every year. The AAC is the best G5 tie to have geographically for these bowls. My guess is that the AAC bowls are "tiered" in the selection process with geography playing a big part in the matching decision.

What's happening is that these new bowls can read a map. They know Houston, Tulsa, SMU, Memphis, and Tulane will opt to play a G5 school in a bowl 400-500 miles away before they play a G5 school in a bowl 1000+ miles away. They know that the existing AAC bowls were all on the east coast. Of the new AAC bowls, the one most likely to be left without a team is Orlando. We have 4 full time east coast bowls plus part time slots in the Bahamas and Boca Bowls. Birmingham is central and can shift either way. The west divsion just had part time slots in New Orleans (2 years) and Ft Worth (3 yrs).

The way I see it, the AAC will fill open P5 bowl backups first (uncommitted #1 and #2 picks). If no P5 bowls need a back up, then the AAC bowls with P5 ties fill next (they are committed to picks 3-5/6 but will normally get picks 1-3/4). The other G5 bowls will be filled based entirely on geography from the remaining avaiable selections. We probably will occasionally give away a bowl slot to upgrade the opponent in Miami. So we might be able to occasional fill all these bowls. Most of the time we will not.

Proposed new bowls: Austin (AAC vs. C-USA), Tucson (MWC vs. C-USA), Orlando (AAC vs. SB), Little Rock (AAC vs. SB)

Austin, Tucson, Orlando, Little Rock applied for new bowls; could be 43 bowls this year

no more Duck Commander Independence or Bitcoin St. Pete bowls. Both bowls seek new title sponsor

@McMurphyESPN

(04-02-2015 07:34 AM)BearcatJerry Wrote:  Very few people care about some directional school from the MAC vs. some school from a Podunk town in the SBC. They literally cannot give away tickets to a regular game much less Spring scrimmages.

Actually Sun Belt Conference Fans do care and do show up. We don't get the best bowl venue tie-ins, gamedays, or time slots, but we make the most of it and generate money. In my opinion a 5-7 or 6-6 P5 team should not get a bowl invite over a 7-5 or 8-4 G5 team. We can only play the toughest non-conference schedule the P5 conferences will allow. We get pinged because we cant always book the stronger conferences and we get pinged because we are in a smaller conference that doesn't have the best media dollars. Either way it's a ceiling we can't break through unless the perfect storm arises and all the pieces fall together.

2014 New Orleans Bowl 34,014 Fans (10 AM Morning Game)
2014 Camelia Bowl 20,256 Fans (Very Small Venue)
2014 GoDaddy Bowl 36,811 Fans (Sunday after New Years Day)

TV Viewership - NOLA 2,250,000 TV Sets, Camelia 1,114,000 TV Sets, and GoDaddy 1,370,000 TV Sets

Not sure of all the Backup Agreements but the ones I know of but not stating 100% correct or is all of them.
ACC - St. Pete and Birmingham
AAC =Liberty and Indy
CUSA = Indy (Have no clue how this works with AAC/CUSA) & I think NO when Sunbelt is not in it.
MWC = Cactus
MAC = Ponsettia

Please feel free to mention others if you know it. As for the B10, P12, SEC, B12 i am not aware of any Backup agreements.

(04-02-2015 10:39 AM)msm96wolf Wrote:  Not sure of all the Backup Agreements but the ones I know of but not stating 100% correct or is all of them.
ACC - St. Pete and Birmingham
AAC =Liberty and Indy
CUSA = Indy (Have no clue how this works with AAC/CUSA) & I think NO when Sunbelt is not in it.
MWC = Cactus
MAC = Ponsettia

Please feel free to mention others if you know it. As for the B10, P12, SEC, B12 i am not aware of any Backup agreements.

I think I read the G5 acts as a pool backup for all the ESPN bowls---though that's really going to be generally the same as the "at large" pool.

(04-02-2015 10:55 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(04-02-2015 10:39 AM)msm96wolf Wrote:  Not sure of all the Backup Agreements but the ones I know of but not stating 100% correct or is all of them.
ACC - St. Pete and Birmingham
AAC =Liberty and Indy
CUSA = Indy (Have no clue how this works with AAC/CUSA) & I think NO when Sunbelt is not in it.
MWC = Cactus
MAC = Ponsettia

Please feel free to mention others if you know it. As for the B10, P12, SEC, B12 i am not aware of any Backup agreements.

I think I read the G5 acts as a pool backup for all the ESPN bowls---though that's really going to be generally the same as the "at large" pool.

Yep, and the PAC currently has their #8 in the ESPN pool (per the Christmas Bowl). Everyone else probably has a back up there too as witnessed by B1G to AF last year over CUSA which holds a secondary tie there. CUSA/SBC are also backups in the years they gave up ties to the N.O. Bowl - two a piece. AAC (read Navy) has a backup to the Poinsettia as well.

(04-02-2015 11:54 AM)gulfcoastgal Wrote:  

(04-02-2015 10:55 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(04-02-2015 10:39 AM)msm96wolf Wrote:  Not sure of all the Backup Agreements but the ones I know of but not stating 100% correct or is all of them.
ACC - St. Pete and Birmingham
AAC =Liberty and Indy
CUSA = Indy (Have no clue how this works with AAC/CUSA) & I think NO when Sunbelt is not in it.
MWC = Cactus
MAC = Ponsettia

Please feel free to mention others if you know it. As for the B10, P12, SEC, B12 i am not aware of any Backup agreements.

I think I read the G5 acts as a pool backup for all the ESPN bowls---though that's really going to be generally the same as the "at large" pool.

Yep, and the PAC currently has their #8 in the ESPN pool (per the Christmas Bowl). Everyone else probably has a back up there too as witnessed by B1G to AF last year over CUSA which holds a secondary tie there. CUSA/SBC are also backups in the years they gave up ties to the N.O. Bowl - two a piece. AAC (read Navy) has a backup to the Poinsettia as well.

There is no Christmas Bowl.
The PAC now and then plays in the Hawaii Bowl.
Navy isn't a backup to the Poinsettia they are a hard tie-in. This year they go to the AAC bowls. Army has the tie-in to the Poinsettia this year with the MAC as a back up if Army doesn't qualify.

(04-02-2015 12:06 PM)MWC Tex Wrote:  

(04-02-2015 11:54 AM)gulfcoastgal Wrote:  

(04-02-2015 10:55 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(04-02-2015 10:39 AM)msm96wolf Wrote:  Not sure of all the Backup Agreements but the ones I know of but not stating 100% correct or is all of them.
ACC - St. Pete and Birmingham
AAC =Liberty and Indy
CUSA = Indy (Have no clue how this works with AAC/CUSA) & I think NO when Sunbelt is not in it.
MWC = Cactus
MAC = Ponsettia

Please feel free to mention others if you know it. As for the B10, P12, SEC, B12 i am not aware of any Backup agreements.

I think I read the G5 acts as a pool backup for all the ESPN bowls---though that's really going to be generally the same as the "at large" pool.

Yep, and the PAC currently has their #8 in the ESPN pool (per the Christmas Bowl). Everyone else probably has a back up there too as witnessed by B1G to AF last year over CUSA which holds a secondary tie there. CUSA/SBC are also backups in the years they gave up ties to the N.O. Bowl - two a piece. AAC (read Navy) has a backup to the Poinsettia as well.

There is no Christmas Bowl.
The PAC now and then plays in the Hawaii Bowl.
Navy isn't a backup to the Poinsettia they are a hard tie-in. This year they go to the AAC bowls. Army has the tie-in to the Poinsettia this year with the MAC as a back up if Army doesn't qualify.

I should have clarified the info came from a Christmas Bowl tweet.

LA Christmas Bowl @LAChristmasBowl · May 3
@haroldskilley PAC-12 didn't align with MW in our game. Doesn't make sense, as they put the 8th pick as a back up on ESPN bowls instead.


The AAC media guide lists the Poinsettia as a back up. Likely, they'd want Navy over any other available AAC team is how that was meant to be read.

Quote:On Thursday, the conference announced the rest of its bowl tie-ins through the end of the decade, including three new bowls for next year: The Miami Beach Bowl, Boca Raton Bowl and Bahamas Bowl. The AAC also has secondary partnerships with the Liberty Bowl, Independence Bowl and Poinsettia Bowl

http://collegefootballtalk.nbcsports.com...2014-2019/

(04-02-2015 09:56 AM)TIGER-PAUL Wrote:  Proposed new bowls: Austin (AAC vs. C-USA), Tucson (MWC vs. C-USA), Orlando (AAC vs. SB), Little Rock (AAC vs. SB)

Austin, Tucson, Orlando, Little Rock applied for new bowls; could be 43 bowls this year

no more Duck Commander Independence or Bitcoin St. Pete bowls. Both bowls seek new title sponsor

@McMurphyESPN

So, if there WERE 43 Bowls last year, and if transitional teams were eligible, these would likely have been the 8 "new" Bowl teams in 2014:

Temple, MTSU, UAB, Old Dominion, Ohio University, Georgia Southern, Appalachian State, Texas State.

This isn't completely realistic, but if those 8 teams slotted exclusively into the 4 new Bowls:

Austin: Texas State (fill AAC spot) v. UAB
Orlando: Temple v. Georgia Southern
Tucson: Ohio University (fill MWC spot) v. Old Dominion
Little Rock: Appalachian State v. MTSU (fill AAC spot)

Mmmmmmm ..... I guess. There are some decent games there from an interest and attendance POV. But we're really getting at the margins of successful Bowl games.

(04-03-2015 10:23 AM)NittanyLion Wrote:  

(04-02-2015 09:56 AM)TIGER-PAUL Wrote:  Proposed new bowls: Austin (AAC vs. C-USA), Tucson (MWC vs. C-USA), Orlando (AAC vs. SB), Little Rock (AAC vs. SB)

Austin, Tucson, Orlando, Little Rock applied for new bowls; could be 43 bowls this year

no more Duck Commander Independence or Bitcoin St. Pete bowls. Both bowls seek new title sponsor

@McMurphyESPN

So, if there WERE 43 Bowls last year, and if transitional teams were eligible, these would likely have been the 8 "new" Bowl teams in 2014:

Temple, MTSU, UAB, Old Dominion, Ohio University, Georgia Southern, Appalachian State, Texas State.

This isn't completely realistic, but if those 8 teams slotted exclusively into the 4 new Bowls:

Austin: Texas State (fill AAC spot) v. UAB
Orlando: Temple v. Georgia Southern
Tucson: Ohio University (fill MWC spot) v. Old Dominion
Little Rock: Appalachian State v. MTSU (fill AAC spot)

Mmmmmmm ..... I guess. There are some decent games there from an interest and attendance POV. But we're really getting at the margins of successful Bowl games.

I remember in the last bowl cycle saying there could only be 3 maybe 4 new games at most. Lol.....we got Camillia, Boca, Miami, and the Bahamas. Now we are looking to add 4 more....I guess I was a little off