http://www.nytimes.com/2015/03/26/sports...imers.html

"Calipari, a voluble Chevy salesman of a recruiter, later moved to Memphis, which ended up vacating a lode of victories because of violations of N.C.A.A. rules, all of which Calipari said shocked him. Then he decamped to Kentucky."

Oh common dude. The NCAA clearinghouse approved Rose twice. The is no way a university can police guys prior to admission to the school. There is something called "freedom" which allows individuals to make choices the NCAA does not sanction.

(03-30-2015 01:51 PM)80sTiger Wrote:  http://www.nytimes.com/2015/03/26/sports...imers.html

"Calipari, a voluble Chevy salesman of a recruiter, later moved to Memphis, which ended up vacating a lode of victories because of violations of N.C.A.A. rules, all of which Calipari said shocked him. Then he decamped to Kentucky."

Hall of Famer

(03-30-2015 01:51 PM)80sTiger Wrote:  http://www.nytimes.com/2015/03/26/sports...imers.html

"Calipari, a voluble Chevy salesman of a recruiter, later moved to Memphis, which ended up vacating a lode of victories because of violations of N.C.A.A. rules, all of which Calipari said shocked him. Then he decamped to Kentucky."

Why insult Chevy salesmen.

(03-30-2015 01:54 PM)paulnatlanta Wrote:  Oh common dude. The NCAA clearinghouse approved Rose twice. The is no way a university can police guys prior to admission to the school. There is something called "freedom" which allows individuals to make choices the NCAA does not sanction.

3X

(03-30-2015 01:54 PM)paulnatlanta Wrote:  Oh common dude. The NCAA clearinghouse approved Rose twice. The is no way a university can police guys prior to admission to the school. There is something called "freedom" which allows individuals to make choices the NCAA does not sanction.

Seems like if there were nothing else to hide the school would be raising hell about this injustice, but instead they just quietly removed the banner and stored it away in a closet at the AOB.

(03-30-2015 03:19 PM)idroot4russia Wrote:  

(03-30-2015 01:54 PM)paulnatlanta Wrote:  Oh common dude. The NCAA clearinghouse approved Rose twice. The is no way a university can police guys prior to admission to the school. There is something called "freedom" which allows individuals to make choices the NCAA does not sanction.

Seems like if there were nothing else to hide the school would be raising hell about this injustice, but instead they just quietly removed the banner and stored it away in a closet at the AOB.

The scope of RC's ambition probably didn't extend much beyond making sure his dentures were glued in properly, and the idiot lawyer admitted that Rose was ineligible.

(03-30-2015 03:44 PM)Stammers Wrote:  

(03-30-2015 03:19 PM)idroot4russia Wrote:  

(03-30-2015 01:54 PM)paulnatlanta Wrote:  Oh common dude. The NCAA clearinghouse approved Rose twice. The is no way a university can police guys prior to admission to the school. There is something called "freedom" which allows individuals to make choices the NCAA does not sanction.

Seems like if there were nothing else to hide the school would be raising hell about this injustice, but instead they just quietly removed the banner and stored it away in a closet at the AOB.

The scope of RC's ambition probably didn't extend much beyond making sure his dentures were glued in properly, and the idiot lawyer admitted that Rose was ineligible.

That "idiot" lawyer is now a Federal judge...and if you ever want to find out how little power you have in this world, lock horns with one of them.

I haven't combed the transcript at all, but will point out that it is a pretty common legal strategy to give them what they already have (ie Rose's ineligibility). The kicker in my limited understanding of this case has always been the out of nowhere application of strict liability. If teh school had no way of KNOWING that Rose was ineligible conceding that point wouldn't normally be that damaging...

(03-30-2015 03:51 PM)George CantStandYa Wrote:  

(03-30-2015 03:44 PM)Stammers Wrote:  

(03-30-2015 03:19 PM)idroot4russia Wrote:  

(03-30-2015 01:54 PM)paulnatlanta Wrote:  Oh common dude. The NCAA clearinghouse approved Rose twice. The is no way a university can police guys prior to admission to the school. There is something called "freedom" which allows individuals to make choices the NCAA does not sanction.

Seems like if there were nothing else to hide the school would be raising hell about this injustice, but instead they just quietly removed the banner and stored it away in a closet at the AOB.

The scope of RC's ambition probably didn't extend much beyond making sure his dentures were glued in properly, and the idiot lawyer admitted that Rose was ineligible.

That "idiot" lawyer is now a Federal judge...and if you ever want to find out how little power you have in this world, lock horns with one of them.

I haven't combed the transcript at all, but will point out that it is a pretty common legal strategy to give them what they already have (ie Rose's ineligibility). The kicker in my limited understanding of this case has always been the out of nowhere application of strict liability. If teh school had no way of KNOWING that Rose was ineligible conceding that point wouldn't normally be that damaging...

Well the idiot lawyer was flustered on the stand and caved in. Good for him that he became a judge.

If I had to guess the convo with NCAA went like this,
NCAA: "You're going to appeal our decision about Rose? Ok, get ready because we're going to turn your athletic department upside down looking for whatever else we can find."
Us: "Umm never mind, we'll take the banner down."

The NCAA simply was NOT going to allow MEMPHIS to keep the 38 win season. You gotta understand, Duke held that record in 2008 with 37 wins. No way in hell was MEMPHIS going to escape the "strict liability" mandate from Dees and his fellow inquisition members.

Next time, make the free throws and avoid this mockery of a proceeding.

(03-30-2015 03:51 PM)George CantStandYa Wrote:  

(03-30-2015 03:44 PM)Stammers Wrote:  

(03-30-2015 03:19 PM)idroot4russia Wrote:  

(03-30-2015 01:54 PM)paulnatlanta Wrote:  Oh common dude. The NCAA clearinghouse approved Rose twice. The is no way a university can police guys prior to admission to the school. There is something called "freedom" which allows individuals to make choices the NCAA does not sanction.

Seems like if there were nothing else to hide the school would be raising hell about this injustice, but instead they just quietly removed the banner and stored it away in a closet at the AOB.

The scope of RC's ambition probably didn't extend much beyond making sure his dentures were glued in properly, and the idiot lawyer admitted that Rose was ineligible.

That "idiot" lawyer is now a Federal judge...and if you ever want to find out how little power you have in this world, lock horns with one of them.

I haven't combed the transcript at all, but will point out that it is a pretty common legal strategy to give them what they already have (ie Rose's ineligibility). The kicker in my limited understanding of this case has always been the out of nowhere application of strict liability. If teh school had no way of KNOWING that Rose was ineligible conceding that point wouldn't normally be that damaging...

Lol

(03-30-2015 03:44 PM)Stammers Wrote:  

(03-30-2015 03:19 PM)idroot4russia Wrote:  

(03-30-2015 01:54 PM)paulnatlanta Wrote:  Oh common dude. The NCAA clearinghouse approved Rose twice. The is no way a university can police guys prior to admission to the school. There is something called "freedom" which allows individuals to make choices the NCAA does not sanction.

Seems like if there were nothing else to hide the school would be raising hell about this injustice, but instead they just quietly removed the banner and stored it away in a closet at the AOB.

The scope of RC's ambition probably didn't extend much beyond making sure his dentures were glued in properly, and the idiot lawyer admitted that Rose was ineligible.

RC also got to keep ALL of his bonuses tied to X's NCAA runs. That'll buy a lot of Efferdent.

(03-30-2015 01:54 PM)paulnatlanta Wrote:  Oh common dude. The NCAA clearinghouse approved Rose twice. The is no way a university can police guys prior to admission to the school. There is something called "freedom" which allows individuals to make choices the NCAA does not sanction.

Yep.

(03-30-2015 04:02 PM)boss man Wrote:  The NCAA simply was NOT going to allow MEMPHIS to keep the 38 win season. You gotta understand, Duke held that record in 2008 with 37 wins. No way in hell was MEMPHIS going to escape the "strict liability" mandate from Dees and his fellow inquisition members.

Next time, make the free throws and avoid this mockery of a proceeding.

Wonderful, sane post that needed to be said. Thank you 'boss man'.

(03-30-2015 03:51 PM)George CantStandYa Wrote:  

(03-30-2015 03:44 PM)Stammers Wrote:  

(03-30-2015 03:19 PM)idroot4russia Wrote:  

(03-30-2015 01:54 PM)paulnatlanta Wrote:  Oh common dude. The NCAA clearinghouse approved Rose twice. The is no way a university can police guys prior to admission to the school. There is something called "freedom" which allows individuals to make choices the NCAA does not sanction.

Seems like if there were nothing else to hide the school would be raising hell about this injustice, but instead they just quietly removed the banner and stored it away in a closet at the AOB.

The scope of RC's ambition probably didn't extend much beyond making sure his dentures were glued in properly, and the idiot lawyer admitted that Rose was ineligible.

That "idiot" lawyer is now a Federal judge...and if you ever want to find out how little power you have in this world, lock horns with one of them.

I haven't combed the transcript at all, but will point out that it is a pretty common legal strategy to give them what they already have (ie Rose's ineligibility). The kicker in my limited understanding of this case has always been the out of nowhere application of strict liability. If teh school had no way of KNOWING that Rose was ineligible conceding that point wouldn't normally be that damaging...

non P5. End of discussion.

I had always heard the named party was Calipari/Rose/University of Memphis. The 3 parties though no longer associated were stripped of the wins from the 2008 season and forced to pay $500,000. It was between the 3 parties to determine how to pay and D.Rose and Cal shared the $500,00 [prob provided by UK booster(s)]. How is Cal "not named" in either NCAA investigation? I keep hearing this on Mike and Mike, Dick "I know nothing but I yell Baby" Vitale, In game commentators, etc. He was. And how does he keep the wins?

And folks, I don't give a flying eff that he was our coach, he took us to new heights, blah blah blah. If we took a hit, why doesn't he? He was driving the sunken ship and ended up dry and squeaky clean. And the very people that claim to be working toward cleaning up the sport coughcoughJayBilas applaud him THIS YEAR. GAG! People of so called news sources do their best to keep facts out of the story.

They had more on Darrell Arthur's HS teacher changing his grades than they did on Derrick Rose's entrance exam. Same attorney for both hearings. We got hosed, Tommy!

https://youtu.be/TPHH1QeB0Xo

(03-30-2015 04:13 PM)bluebacker Wrote:  

(03-30-2015 03:44 PM)Stammers Wrote:  

(03-30-2015 03:19 PM)idroot4russia Wrote:  

(03-30-2015 01:54 PM)paulnatlanta Wrote:  Oh common dude. The NCAA clearinghouse approved Rose twice. The is no way a university can police guys prior to admission to the school. There is something called "freedom" which allows individuals to make choices the NCAA does not sanction.

Seems like if there were nothing else to hide the school would be raising hell about this injustice, but instead they just quietly removed the banner and stored it away in a closet at the AOB.

The scope of RC's ambition probably didn't extend much beyond making sure his dentures were glued in properly, and the idiot lawyer admitted that Rose was ineligible.

RC also got to keep ALL of his bonuses tied to X's NCAA runs. That'll buy a lot of Efferdent.

So did Coach Cal.

(03-30-2015 04:01 PM)Stammers Wrote:  

(03-30-2015 03:51 PM)George CantStandYa Wrote:  

(03-30-2015 03:44 PM)Stammers Wrote:  

(03-30-2015 03:19 PM)idroot4russia Wrote:  

(03-30-2015 01:54 PM)paulnatlanta Wrote:  Oh common dude. The NCAA clearinghouse approved Rose twice. The is no way a university can police guys prior to admission to the school. There is something called "freedom" which allows individuals to make choices the NCAA does not sanction.

Seems like if there were nothing else to hide the school would be raising hell about this injustice, but instead they just quietly removed the banner and stored it away in a closet at the AOB.

The scope of RC's ambition probably didn't extend much beyond making sure his dentures were glued in properly, and the idiot lawyer admitted that Rose was ineligible.

That "idiot" lawyer is now a Federal judge...and if you ever want to find out how little power you have in this world, lock horns with one of them.

I haven't combed the transcript at all, but will point out that it is a pretty common legal strategy to give them what they already have (ie Rose's ineligibility). The kicker in my limited understanding of this case has always been the out of nowhere application of strict liability. If teh school had no way of KNOWING that Rose was ineligible conceding that point wouldn't normally be that damaging...

Well the idiot lawyer was flustered on the stand and caved in. Good for him that he became a judge.

Are you talking about Sheri? Many judges are judges just BECAUSE they couldn't make it as lawyers.