So Godfrey played 14 mins a game after averaging 13 and 9 in COLLEGE, which included more minutes as Austin went down, and somehow Marshall's gonna get 10 minutes a game with BOTH Austin and Shaq back AND another McDAA coming in to fill time at the 4?

Ok.

(03-31-2015 12:19 PM)Stammers Wrote:  

(03-31-2015 11:24 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  Dominic Magee's AAU coach:

Titus Randle, Magee’s AAU coach, previously said Magee had the ability to play at a high level.

“Dominic is really elusive,” he said. “The kid’s got nice size, he’s real athletic. I think his upside of being a point guard, it’s real good, almost like Russell Westbrook in high school. He’s similar, real athletic, moves well. Makes the right plays, makes a lot of good decisions and everything.

“He has great size. He’s real explosive in small spaces. He can get up and go and get up in the air in small spaces.”

Jordan Manse's AAU coach:

“He’s a superior three-point shooter,” said Max Ivany, founder of D1 Nation. “He’s got a great stroke. He’s a transition athlete that can play above the rim. I think he definitely fits in with the style of play at Memphis.”

Overall, Manse is the third D1 Nation ambassador to join the Tigers, following incoming East Mississippi CC guard Avery Woodson and former Memphis great DJ Stephens.

"He was always an excellent three-point shooter and an above the rim athlete," Ivany stressed. "Both traits will serve him well in coach Pastner's uptempo system."

Run rabbit run.

Ad hominem.

(03-31-2015 12:16 PM)Stammers Wrote:  

Quote:Doesn't mean you will be a model (or even come close). It just means of the 10 assembled, you are better than the rest.

Right now we need 5 different types of "models" and we only have 4. We don't have a "model" that has the physical attributes to be the 5th model. While the 5th model might be raw and not as talented as the other models; if we need all 5 types and only have 4, it stands to reason that the "model" in question will be a valuable piece.

Also, you make it sound like the model is a piece of crap, when in fact the model in question is considered a decent prospect.

It would be in the coach's best interest to say that a player is a better pro prospect than Black or Chiozza, or say that he is the best pro prospect out of the 17 players sent to D1 ball, correct?

That sure makes sense.

NOWHERE have I insinuated, implied, or contended Marshall was a piece of crap.

I have given a nod to others who label him as a project, or someone who will need to be developed over a few years. There is nothing wrong with that. Frank Kaminsky went from a 2 & 1 guy as a frosh to a 4 & 2 guy as a soph to being a POY candidate as a senior.

I just don't see a "raw" guy coming in and taking minutes from two McDAA's and the likely preseason AAC POY.

(03-31-2015 12:22 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  So Godfrey played 14 mins a game after averaging 13 and 9 in COLLEGE, which included more minutes as Austin went down, and somehow Marshall's gonna get 10 minutes a game with BOTH Austin and Shaq back AND another McDAA coming in to fill time at the 4?

Ok.

What part of we don't have a true center, do you not understand? Why is this so confusing to you?

(03-31-2015 12:10 PM)Oman Wrote:  

(03-31-2015 11:20 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(03-31-2015 11:05 AM)HometownTiger Wrote:  Maybe 3 & 4 & 1...idk, I'm saying we don't need much. Just give us effort and energy and protect the rim.

Marshall is a 4-star by most scouting services. I don't think it should be out of the question to expect Calvin Godfrey numbers from him...

IF YOU KNOW WHAT YOU'RE DOING!!

In 18 minutes Pitino got 3, 5, & 1 a night from his 2 big guys and they're raw as heck!

Well, I'm sure you realize this, just forgot to include this in the conversation.

Mathiang is a sophomore who is starting and playing 18 mins a game. He is also 22 1/2 years old, not a kid who is reclassifying a year early.

Onuaku was a 4* (#7 center and top 75) and was asked to also play 18 mins a game.

Calvin averaged 13 points and 9 rebounds in COLLEGE the year before he came to Memphis. He was a 24 year old MAN that still scraped for 4 and 4.

10 minutes a game - 4 & 4 would be wonderful for a freshman big guy.

Maybe I expect too much ...

We need a backup center desperately next year. Marshall could get some experience. Seems like a win-win.

(03-31-2015 01:01 PM)Stammers Wrote:  

(03-31-2015 12:22 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  So Godfrey played 14 mins a game after averaging 13 and 9 in COLLEGE, which included more minutes as Austin went down, and somehow Marshall's gonna get 10 minutes a game with BOTH Austin and Shaq back AND another McDAA coming in to fill time at the 4?

Ok.

What part of we don't have a true center, do you not understand? Why is this so confusing to you?

Most colleges don't have a true 5. 4's and 5's are interchangeable in most of the college game.

The last 5 Memphis had was Stan Simpson. One could call Tarik a 5, but he was as much a 4 as a 5. Shaq served fine as a 5 and Austin post better than any 5 we have had in a long time.

Do you contend KJ will be a 2 and Dedric a 3?

If you are saying Austin gets 30 at the 5 and Marshall gets 10 and (I assume) senior Shaq gets 30 at the 4, where are the Lawsons getting minutes?

Man, you guys will argue about anything. Losing Marshall's freshman year is not a big or small deal, and is actually preferable in my opinion. He gets to practice against good college players, learn the...system(laughed when typing this) and get on a college workout program(laughed again). Why is this a bad thing?

(03-31-2015 02:15 PM)Rob Wrote:  Man, you guys will argue about anything. Losing Marshall's freshman year is not a big or small deal, and is actually preferable in my opinion. He gets to practice against good college players, learn the...system(laughed when typing this) and get on a college workout program(laughed again). Why is this a bad thing?

Hey, I'm not the one chasing posters around arguing every damn nuance.

I don't find fault in your thought, I just would rather have the use of a guy for four years instead of three. I believe that he would see little to no action next year if he were on the squad. I do, however, see your point about getting to practice vs. quality guys.

People just throw out this "if he can just get us 4 and 4 in 10 mpg" like that happens. Shaq got Memphis 7 and 4 in 20 minutes a game--meaning he would have been a 3.5 and 2 guy in 10 mins, and he was a McDAA.

Godfrey was a grown ass man who averaged 13 and 9 the year before and could only do 4 and 4 in 14 minutes a game--more importantly (not the points and rebounds) he only got 14 mins a game even though he was fully developed. Oh, and with no other viable option at the 4 besides Nick King.

I can buy the Marshall getting 10 mins a game IF someone can explain how many minutes KJ and Dedric will get. I also assume Austin and Shaq combine for about 60 minutes.

(03-31-2015 11:16 AM)Stammers Wrote:  

(03-31-2015 11:10 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(03-31-2015 11:06 AM)Stammers Wrote:  

(03-30-2015 11:33 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(03-30-2015 11:11 AM)Stammers Wrote:  8-12 minutes per game.

Based on watching him? Or just pulling a number out of your ass?

Quote:So, Marshall comes in a year early, and burns his entire freshman season up on mop up minutes. He is considered raw and is a 4 year player. Why essentially make him a three year player by mothballing him for a year?

Based on watching him? Or just pulling an opinion out of your ass?

See bolded.

I have never seen him play. I go by what Easterwood and a few others have said who have seen him play, thus the quantifier "he is considered."

I am not acting as if I have seen him play.

The difference between me and others who act like they "know" when in fact they don't really.

Interesting that you would say that.

Quote:In three years as Team Thad head coach, Norton Hurd had never had a player commit to the University of Memphis. Not Leron Black. Not Chris Chiozza. Not one out of the 17 other Division 1 signees and commitments the Thaddeus Young-sponsored AAU program had produced before Tuesday.

Quote:Hurd said Marshall is the best pro prospect he’s had in five years of AAU coaching.

I'll take the coach's opinion, and other people's opinions that I respect, over yours any day.

you do realize you are doing what you apologized for a few weeks ago in this thread and other threads as well

I don't expect him to make an impact next year if he's here. It's not hard to average 10 mpg. Everyone but Jake did on our team this year. Guys will get in foul trouble, injured/nicked up, get tendonitis or be taken out in blowout situations. Averaging 4/4 won't happen in those minutes.

(03-31-2015 03:23 PM)Rob Wrote:  I don't expect him to make an impact next year if he's here. It's not hard to average 10 mpg. Everyone but Jake did on our team this year. Guys will get in foul trouble, injured/nicked up, get tendonitis or be taken out in blowout situations. Averaging 4/4 won't happen in those minutes.

Tell that to Stan Simpson, Dominic Woodson or Ferrokahn Hall.

But seriously, Godfrey only averaged 11 minutes per in games where Austin played. Pellom, the year before, 13.

Again, if it comes down to Austin, Shaq and Dedric taking up the 80 minutes at the 4/5 (26.6 mins player) why would you take minutes away from them to play a project?

(03-31-2015 03:30 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(03-31-2015 03:23 PM)Rob Wrote:  I don't expect him to make an impact next year if he's here. It's not hard to average 10 mpg. Everyone but Jake did on our team this year. Guys will get in foul trouble, injured/nicked up, get tendonitis or be taken out in blowout situations. Averaging 4/4 won't happen in those minutes.

Tell that to Stan Simpson, Dominic Woodson or Ferrokahn Hall.

But seriously, Godfrey only averaged 11 minutes per in games where Austin played. Pellom, the year before, 13.

Again, if it comes down to Austin, Shaq and Dedric taking up the 80 minutes at the 4/5 (26.6 mins player) why would you take minutes away from them to play a project?

I just listed the ways he COULD get to 10 mpg. Stuff happens over the year and guys play more/less than you thought they would. Anyway, I don't care if he gets 1 or 10 mpg; he won't be counted on for any meaningful contribution. Certainly won't get the 4/4 others were putting out. Those guys were disasters, haha.

(03-31-2015 03:37 PM)Rob Wrote:  

(03-31-2015 03:30 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(03-31-2015 03:23 PM)Rob Wrote:  I don't expect him to make an impact next year if he's here. It's not hard to average 10 mpg. Everyone but Jake did on our team this year. Guys will get in foul trouble, injured/nicked up, get tendonitis or be taken out in blowout situations. Averaging 4/4 won't happen in those minutes.

Tell that to Stan Simpson, Dominic Woodson or Ferrokahn Hall.

But seriously, Godfrey only averaged 11 minutes per in games where Austin played. Pellom, the year before, 13.

Again, if it comes down to Austin, Shaq and Dedric taking up the 80 minutes at the 4/5 (26.6 mins player) why would you take minutes away from them to play a project?

I just listed the ways he COULD get to 10 mpg. Stuff happens over the year and guys play more/less than you thought they would. Anyway, I don't care if he gets 1 or 10 mpg; he won't be counted on for any meaningful contribution. Certainly won't get the 4/4 others were putting out. Those guys were disasters, haha.

Agree.

Good god... This thread has given me a headache.

(03-31-2015 04:31 PM)MemphisRob Wrote:  Good god... This thread has given me a headache.

Quiet, fake me.

(03-31-2015 01:23 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(03-31-2015 01:01 PM)Stammers Wrote:  

(03-31-2015 12:22 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  So Godfrey played 14 mins a game after averaging 13 and 9 in COLLEGE, which included more minutes as Austin went down, and somehow Marshall's gonna get 10 minutes a game with BOTH Austin and Shaq back AND another McDAA coming in to fill time at the 4?

Ok.

What part of we don't have a true center, do you not understand? Why is this so confusing to you?

Most colleges don't have a true 5. 4's and 5's are interchangeable in most of the college game.

The last 5 Memphis had was Stan Simpson. One could call Tarik a 5, but he was as much a 4 as a 5. Shaq served fine as a 5 and Austin post better than any 5 we have had in a long time.

Do you contend KJ will be a 2 and Dedric a 3?

If you are saying Austin gets 30 at the 5 and Marshall gets 10 and (I assume) senior Shaq gets 30 at the 4, where are the Lawsons getting minutes?

King and Godfrey split 33 minutes between them. Iverson is gone and Hawkins isn't going to eat into anyone's minutes. Shaq can't play 40 minutes and will get into foul trouble. Austin and Lawson are not centers.

If Nichols and Shaq play 56 minutes and you give Dedric 14 minutes at the 4; that leaves 10 for Marshall at the 5. If you want to go crazy and give Dedrick 16 minutes at the 4 and 86 at the 3; that leaves 18 minutes each for KJ and Burrell.

Anyway, again, you don't have much of a point because we have no true center, Shaq is undersized, both Austin and Dedric would be super undersized, and it's not like we have the option to redshirt Marshall.

This is the greatest waste of a thread in the history of the Org

(03-31-2015 03:30 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(03-31-2015 03:23 PM)Rob Wrote:  I don't expect him to make an impact next year if he's here. It's not hard to average 10 mpg. Everyone but Jake did on our team this year. Guys will get in foul trouble, injured/nicked up, get tendonitis or be taken out in blowout situations. Averaging 4/4 won't happen in those minutes.

Tell that to Stan Simpson, Dominic Woodson or Ferrokahn Hall.

But seriously, Godfrey only averaged 11 minutes per in games where Austin played. Pellom, the year before, 13.

Again, if it comes down to Austin, Shaq and Dedric taking up the 80 minutes at the 4/5 (26.6 mins player) why would you take minutes away from them to play a project?

We are going to have games where players get pushed around, or have foul trouble. If he can play at all, he will get at least 8 minutes.

Can this Dude Ball?