Both the Big Dance and CFP reveals the Big 12 needs to expand and going east is where they need to focus. Cincinnati appears to be one of the schools, but Connecticut with their strength in both men and women's basketball looks pretty good right now. If not Connecticut, then Memphis.

If the Pac 12 decides to expand like the SEC, ACC and Big Ten, then San Diego State and Colorado State appear to be good additions.

Why not Arkansas St to the Big 12?

Why not NIU to the big 12?

How about the Big XII tries to do better next year?

(03-28-2015 01:24 AM)RaiderRed Wrote:  Why not Arkansas St to the Big 12?

Because they aren't worthy. Get real, dude, or at least make an intelligent suggestion. Your choices are all over the place, and seems like childish reaching to me.

(03-28-2015 12:13 AM)ARSTATEFAN1986 Wrote:  Both the Big Dance and CFP reveals the Big 12 needs to expand and going east is where they need to focus. Cincinnati appears to be one of the schools, but Connecticut with their strength in both men and women's basketball looks pretty good right now. If not Connecticut, then Memphis.

If the Pac 12 decides to expand like the SEC, ACC and Big Ten, then San Diego State and Colorado State appear to be good additions.

Why do they need to expand? Any expansion now would just make them weaker, not stronger. Unless, of course, you think they could poach some great teams from the SEC or the B1G. Do you see that happening?

The B12 would do alright with Cincinnati and Memphis.

Those two have the budgets, facilities and potential for a P5 conference.

Memphis of course has the Liberty Bowl already a B12 property. The could count on local support there with the Tigers in the B12.

(03-28-2015 12:13 AM)ARSTATEFAN1986 Wrote:  Both the Big Dance and CFP reveals the Big 12 needs to expand and going east is where they need to focus. Cincinnati appears to be one of the schools, but Connecticut with their strength in both men and women's basketball looks pretty good right now. If not Connecticut, then Memphis.

If the Pac 12 decides to expand like the SEC, ACC and Big Ten, then San Diego State and Colorado State appear to be good additions.

San Diego State is not a high research school and Colorado State does not bring a new market.

(03-28-2015 10:18 AM)lew240z Wrote:  

(03-28-2015 12:13 AM)ARSTATEFAN1986 Wrote:  Both the Big Dance and CFP reveals the Big 12 needs to expand and going east is where they need to focus. Cincinnati appears to be one of the schools, but Connecticut with their strength in both men and women's basketball looks pretty good right now. If not Connecticut, then Memphis.

If the Pac 12 decides to expand like the SEC, ACC and Big Ten, then San Diego State and Colorado State appear to be good additions.

San Diego State is not a high research school and Colorado State does not bring a new market.

Fits the pattern...Arizona - Arizona State, Oregon - Oregon State, Washington - Washington State, Colorado - Colorado State and Colorado State is more likely than Utah State.

the same B12 that was considered the best bb league this year and the majority of its teams ranked in top 25? why would they need to expand. seems like they are doing ok for themselves

(03-28-2015 12:05 PM)ARSTATEFAN1986 Wrote:  

(03-28-2015 10:18 AM)lew240z Wrote:  

(03-28-2015 12:13 AM)ARSTATEFAN1986 Wrote:  Both the Big Dance and CFP reveals the Big 12 needs to expand and going east is where they need to focus. Cincinnati appears to be one of the schools, but Connecticut with their strength in both men and women's basketball looks pretty good right now. If not Connecticut, then Memphis.

If the Pac 12 decides to expand like the SEC, ACC and Big Ten, then San Diego State and Colorado State appear to be good additions.

San Diego State is not a high research school and Colorado State does not bring a new market.

Fits the pattern...Arizona - Arizona State, Oregon - Oregon State, Washington - Washington State, Colorado - Colorado State and Colorado State is more likely than Utah State.

Virginia-Virginia Tech, Louisiana-Louisiana Tech, Texas-Texas Tech

The only G5 schools that fit the P5 criteria of academics and athletic prowess and fan support are BYU, U Conn, cincy and maybe Colorado State.
After that, the schools have holes some combination of in a)research/selectivity; b)quality of football; c)financial support or d)fan support.
I say this given that many P5 schools do not meet all of the support/prowess/research criteria.
Criteria A) is the most important because if you don't meet it, it doesn't matter what else you do (see Boise). Most of the teams that fit A are in the AAC (plus Rice, and a couple of MAC and MWC schools).
This also illustrates the challenge that the AAC will have if they lose a couple. I just don't see them going to C-USA, unless it's Rice or maybe Old Dominion (Memphis/Houston level research).

(03-28-2015 12:06 PM)Kittonhead Wrote:  

(03-28-2015 12:05 PM)ARSTATEFAN1986 Wrote:  

(03-28-2015 10:18 AM)lew240z Wrote:  

(03-28-2015 12:13 AM)ARSTATEFAN1986 Wrote:  Both the Big Dance and CFP reveals the Big 12 needs to expand and going east is where they need to focus. Cincinnati appears to be one of the schools, but Connecticut with their strength in both men and women's basketball looks pretty good right now. If not Connecticut, then Memphis.

If the Pac 12 decides to expand like the SEC, ACC and Big Ten, then San Diego State and Colorado State appear to be good additions.

San Diego State is not a high research school and Colorado State does not bring a new market.

Fits the pattern...Arizona - Arizona State, Oregon - Oregon State, Washington - Washington State, Colorado - Colorado State and Colorado State is more likely than Utah State.

Virginia-Virginia Tech, Louisiana-Louisiana Tech, Texas-Texas Tech

PAC 12 won't go east coast into Virginia...Louisiana-Louisiana Tech have no chance. Texas would be giving up it's control over the Big 12 to go to the PAC 12. None of these are plausible.

PAC 12 has a standing invitation to U of Texas, because it would give the PAC 12 new markets, new recruiting hotbeds, and a like-minded institution. Now, think of the PAC 12 as the western version of the ACC. Would the ACC ever invite UCF, USF, ECU, or Applachian State? San Diego State, Fresno State, etc. are much like UCF, USF, ECU, and Appy to the PAC 12. Also, just like the ACC wouldn't mind having PSU join, the PAC 12 wouldn't mind having Texas join, and would love it.

(03-28-2015 12:21 PM)HamiltonJames Wrote:  The only G5 schools that fit the P5 criteria of academics and athletic prowess and fan support are BYU, U Conn, cincy and maybe Colorado State.
After that, the schools have holes some combination of in a)research/selectivity; b)quality of football; c)financial support or d)fan support.
I say this given that many P5 schools do not meet all of the support/prowess/research criteria.
Criteria A) is the most important because if you don't meet it, it doesn't matter what else you do (see Boise). Most of the teams that fit A are in the AAC (plus Rice, and a couple of MAC and MWC schools).
This also illustrates the challenge that the AAC will have if they lose a couple. I just don't see them going to C-USA, unless it's Rice or maybe Old Dominion (Memphis/Houston level research).

Cincinnati and Colorado St. don't have P5 level fan support. Only BYU, ECU, UCF and USF do (with UConn just below).

(03-28-2015 12:37 PM)DawgNBama Wrote:  PAC 12 has a standing invitation to U of Texas, because it would give the PAC 12 new markets, new recruiting hotbeds, and a like-minded institution. Now, think of the PAC 12 as the western version of the ACC. Would the ACC ever invite UCF, USF, ECU, or Applachian State? San Diego State, Fresno State, etc. are much like UCF, USF, ECU, and Appy to the PAC 12. Also, just like the ACC wouldn't mind having PSU join, the PAC 12 wouldn't mind having Texas join, and would love it.

Again...Texas won't give up the power it has over the Big 12 for having equal share with Utah, Colorado, Washington State, etc.

(03-28-2015 12:05 PM)ARSTATEFAN1986 Wrote:  

(03-28-2015 10:18 AM)lew240z Wrote:  

(03-28-2015 12:13 AM)ARSTATEFAN1986 Wrote:  Both the Big Dance and CFP reveals the Big 12 needs to expand and going east is where they need to focus. Cincinnati appears to be one of the schools, but Connecticut with their strength in both men and women's basketball looks pretty good right now. If not Connecticut, then Memphis.

If the Pac 12 decides to expand like the SEC, ACC and Big Ten, then San Diego State and Colorado State appear to be good additions.

San Diego State is not a high research school and Colorado State does not bring a new market.

Fits the pattern...Arizona - Arizona State, Oregon - Oregon State, Washington - Washington State, Colorado - Colorado State and Colorado State is more likely than Utah State.

The factors that pertained when the PAC 8 was formed from the remnants of the Pacific Coast Conference, or even almost 40 years ago with UA and ASU, do not pertain to expansion today.

(03-28-2015 12:42 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(03-28-2015 12:21 PM)HamiltonJames Wrote:  The only G5 schools that fit the P5 criteria of academics and athletic prowess and fan support are BYU, U Conn, cincy and maybe Colorado State.
After that, the schools have holes some combination of in a)research/selectivity; b)quality of football; c)financial support or d)fan support.
I say this given that many P5 schools do not meet all of the support/prowess/research criteria.
Criteria A) is the most important because if you don't meet it, it doesn't matter what else you do (see Boise). Most of the teams that fit A are in the AAC (plus Rice, and a couple of MAC and MWC schools).
This also illustrates the challenge that the AAC will have if they lose a couple. I just don't see them going to C-USA, unless it's Rice or maybe Old Dominion (Memphis/Houston level research).

Cincinnati and Colorado St. don't have P5 level fan support. Only BYU, ECU, UCF and USF do (with UConn just below).

When UConn is competitive in football, we sell out our 40K stadium.

(03-28-2015 12:51 PM)lew240z Wrote:  

(03-28-2015 12:05 PM)ARSTATEFAN1986 Wrote:  

(03-28-2015 10:18 AM)lew240z Wrote:  

(03-28-2015 12:13 AM)ARSTATEFAN1986 Wrote:  Both the Big Dance and CFP reveals the Big 12 needs to expand and going east is where they need to focus. Cincinnati appears to be one of the schools, but Connecticut with their strength in both men and women's basketball looks pretty good right now. If not Connecticut, then Memphis.

If the Pac 12 decides to expand like the SEC, ACC and Big Ten, then San Diego State and Colorado State appear to be good additions.

San Diego State is not a high research school and Colorado State does not bring a new market.

Fits the pattern...Arizona - Arizona State, Oregon - Oregon State, Washington - Washington State, Colorado - Colorado State and Colorado State is more likely than Utah State.

The factors that pertained when the PAC 8 was formed from the remnants of the Pacific Coast Conference, or even almost 40 years ago with UA and ASU, do not pertain to expansion today.

In the PAC 12's most recent expansion, they went with Utah and Colorado. They could have gone Utah-BYU to fit within the old pattern. SDSU and Colorado St. have almost zero chance at the PAC 12.

It's Texas (and friends) or nothing.

(03-28-2015 12:42 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(03-28-2015 12:21 PM)HamiltonJames Wrote:  The only G5 schools that fit the P5 criteria of academics and athletic prowess and fan support are BYU, U Conn, cincy and maybe Colorado State.
After that, the schools have holes some combination of in a)research/selectivity; b)quality of football; c)financial support or d)fan support.
I say this given that many P5 schools do not meet all of the support/prowess/research criteria.
Criteria A) is the most important because if you don't meet it, it doesn't matter what else you do (see Boise). Most of the teams that fit A are in the AAC (plus Rice, and a couple of MAC and MWC schools).
This also illustrates the challenge that the AAC will have if they lose a couple. I just don't see them going to C-USA, unless it's Rice or maybe Old Dominion (Memphis/Houston level research).

Cincinnati and Colorado St. don't have P5 level fan support. Only BYU, ECU, UCF and USF do (with UConn just below).

Cincinnati, Memphis and Colorado State as well as Connecticut are much more likely to get an invitation to a G5 conference than ECU, UCF and USF