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RE: Josh is a PG away from saving his rear...
(03-27-2015 03:58 PM)Mimi Wrote:  One season of overall sub par guard play- after several where it was really good.

Hardly destroyed, simply endured one season where especially early, the guard play struggled, and as it improved, unfortunately an already not great team lost its best player and finished eve outside the NIT.

Very likely that the guard play will be immensely improved out of the box next year...and team will see 5-7 game minimum win increase after 32 games.

But the conclusions, bullying (they love that even as they do it with it) and even more tired than before paff sent the coach's way cannot be stopped.

What basketball were you watching the last 6 years? Really good guard play? How bout 'supposed to be really good' instead.
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Kedren needs to go 'all in' on his last season of college hoops...between Brodie and Cunningham we just a serviceable backup.

trouble will be the next season...
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and dom.. big, bad dom. coulda, woulda, shoulda. his head never knew how talented his body was. unbelieveable if he develops, how it changes everything for the better. who knows, maybe pook would even have stayed
03-27-2015 07:01 PM
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(03-27-2015 03:36 PM)HometownTiger Wrote:  
(03-27-2015 02:45 PM)TigerBo Wrote:  ...AND get his guys to defend, things could get better in a hurry...

Despite what most think (and what my eyes often tell me) Pastner's teams here have actually been pretty solid on D, by the numbers...haven't they? Maybe I misread some stats once...

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While I'm displeased with the product we have been getting as of late I would be ecstatic if JP were able to turn it around. I think JP has a lot great attributes but appears to struggle in some areas. Here's to hoping the mounting pressure though difficult for him will push him to improve.
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Once we find the point guard, who are we going to get to shoot the ball?
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RE: Josh is a PG away from saving his rear...
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(03-27-2015 10:37 PM)tigers1125 Wrote:  
(03-27-2015 03:27 PM)poppaslaw Wrote:  
(03-27-2015 03:25 PM)steves Wrote:  If KJ is a 2 ... never mind ...

He's another Nick King.

Well I made it this far through the thread reading dumb, illogical comments. "Pastner promised Pookie the moon and then didn't give him a chance and ran him off BECAUSE WE HAVE NO PGS." Paraphrased.

This one is a close second. If you had seen KJ Lawson play you would know his game is not even close to Kings. He can actually dribble ball with both hands and can shoot on the move without falling down. He is a true 3.

JP wouldn't recognize a pg if he walked up and pinched him on the nipple!

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(03-27-2015 10:54 PM)JTS Wrote:  Once we find the point guard, who are we going to get to shoot the ball?

A shooting guard?

I want one too, btw.
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RE: Josh is a PG away from saving his rear...
Pastner needs more than a point guard. He also needs a shooter and a decent backup big.

I will say this about Josh. He has been pretty good at bringing deus et machina nto the equation while he's been here.
Hasn't he pulled the following rabbits out of his hat in the offseason?
E. Williams
G. Johnson
M. Dixon
K. Johnson

Probably more than I listed above. Does he have any rabbits left in that hat?
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Magic Johnson couldn't save Josh because he doesn't know how to coach, motivate or use his players properly.
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No PG will fix what’s wrong with the program. Way to many faults plus the elephant is still in the room.
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I agree, We all knew we were a Derrick Rose away from a championship contender.. Josh is not 1 good player from having what we all know is a "really good" team again.
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(03-27-2015 10:26 PM)murphster Wrote:  While I'm displeased with the product we have been getting as of late I would be ecstatic if JP were able to turn it around. I think JP has a lot great attributes but appears to struggle in some areas. Here's to hoping the mounting pressure though difficult for him will push him to improve.

The biggest deficiency I think with JP is he is not "head guy" material.. he is a great accessory. I believe there is a possibility that he could develop into the "head guy" with age. But he will need to be in his 50s ish IMO..
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(03-28-2015 03:52 AM)BealeStreetTiger Wrote:  No PG will fix what’s wrong with the program. Way to many faults plus the elephant is still in the room.

We are 1 point guard, 1 strong back up point guard, 1 head coach and 1 experienced assistant head coach from fixing the program
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(03-28-2015 03:52 AM)BealeStreetTiger Wrote:  No PG will fix what’s wrong with the program. Way to many faults plus the elephant is still in the room.
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(03-27-2015 03:20 PM)Stammers Wrote:  
(03-27-2015 03:17 PM)jason80 Wrote:  He had four great guards and did nothing with them so what makes u think he would be successful with another one. We prob had the best backcourt in America with Joe, Chris, Dixon and Geron. I mean that was a high level backcourt and we still couldn't win. So I don't think one point guard at this point will change anything. It would have to be a grad transfer or something and there are no difference makers out there at this stage. Only hope is that Kedren discovers he can't sing and focuses on basketball where he could make a living playing overseas or u can have Markel play some point but not really his position. Maybe KJ could run some point I dunno if he handles good enough to play point in college though. I don't think there is much hope for the pg spot or for Josh. U can't lose so many players and expect to be successful. I still don't understand why pookie was just basically benched the second half of the season. It makes no sense but neither does a lot if things he does.

Say what you like about defense, but if JJ and Geron match their 2013 shooting totals, we would have won at least 2-3 more games, and would have had a much better seed in the tournament, and probably make the Sweet 16.

Not only would making more shots have lead to more points, but it would have opened things up big time for the rest of the offense. One other thing that almost never gets mentioned is Pellom being injured. He was a very important and needed piece of our front line.

While what you say is true memphis offense was better in 2014 (52) than in 2013 (96). The defense regressed greatly in 2014
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(03-27-2015 02:45 PM)TigerBo Wrote:  IMHO... And in a nutshell, screwing up the PG position basically has him and the program where we're at today. If he can somehow fix that AND get his guys to defend, things could get better in a hurry as other pcs are in place, for next year anyway.

And my apologies to you KJ lovers out there, but if he doesn't find a quality PG with some quicks that can av more than 2.7 assists per and if overall team defense and transition game don't improve, it's just going be deja vu all over again.

However it plays out, I just want my Tigers back, don't really care who the coach is.

I won't disagree from a purely basketball standpoint. But what this team -- what this program -- is missing dearly is leadership. Not just on the sidelines. But also on the floor. Watch any of the teams left in the tournament and you know in under two minutes who the alphas are.

I can't tell you who ours are.
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(03-28-2015 10:12 AM)CTalley Wrote:  
(03-27-2015 02:45 PM)TigerBo Wrote:  IMHO... And in a nutshell, screwing up the PG position basically has him and the program where we're at today. If he can somehow fix that AND get his guys to defend, things could get better in a hurry as other pcs are in place, for next year anyway.

And my apologies to you KJ lovers out there, but if he doesn't find a quality PG with some quicks that can av more than 2.7 assists per and if overall team defense and transition game don't improve, it's just going be deja vu all over again.

However it plays out, I just want my Tigers back, don't really care who the coach is.

I won't disagree from a purely basketball standpoint. But what this team -- what this program -- is missing dearly is leadership. Not just on the sidelines. But also on the floor. Watch any of the teams left in the tournament and you know in under two minutes who the alphas are.

I can't tell you who ours are.

the way Josh coaches in game doesn't build his players Confidence.

Guys can't be looking at the scorers table every time they miss a shot
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(03-27-2015 03:18 PM)Stammers Wrote:  At the very least, there were lots of games, where Pookie would have been a much better option at the 2 than Woodson or Markel. Disgusting how Pastner screwed Pookie.

Yeah I don't understand why Pookie got buried on the bench he showed flashes early in the season and played well. He was a freshman pg he was going to have ups and downs put to basically take him out of rotation all together was an awful decision. Maybe it was communicated to Josh that we was going to transfer so he decided not to play him. That is the only logical excuse otherwise u just ran off your best pg guard going forward now u have to start all over again. It would be nice to have given him majority of mins at the pg let him go through the ups and downs it's not like the season was going well anyways. He basically just ran him off by burying him on the bench. It's a weird deal. He does strange things like that. One game guy plays well and plays 30 mins next game he doesn't play at all. He did that a lot with Antonio Barton too. No real method to the madness he says he goes by feel. I would say he should prob go away from that and let guys know their roles and let them develop some kind of rhythm instead of being so bi polar from game to game with their playing time.
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(03-27-2015 03:27 PM)poppaslaw Wrote:  
(03-27-2015 03:25 PM)steves Wrote:  If KJ is a 2 ... never mind ...

He's another Nick King.

That's not true. KJ is a legit three. He can handle the ball and possibly even run some point forward. They have different games. KJ is a lot better than King and actually has a position which is one of the reasons king left cause he knew he wouldn't play over KJ. Neither Adonis or King could handle the ball like KJ they were both tweeners at college level. KJ wil be good for us wait and see. I like him more than Dedric in the five or six games I've seen them play.
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