BYU "counts" as a P5. So wouldn't an independent UConn football team get the same treatment by the P5?

They could play non-football in the Big East.

They'd lose CFP money that they get from the American, as well as other American revenue (not sure what kind of media deal they have). And they'd lose a chance at the G5 access slot.

But let's face it, on the field the American is almost the same quality as the P5. So for UConn to win it would most likely be with a couple losses. So how likely is a 3 lose UConn to get the G5 access slot over the MWC champion with 2 losses or a 0/1 loss champion from the SB, CUSA or MAC? Probably won't happen.


So ... if you can't beat 'em, join 'em. ... And if you can't join 'em ... then get 'em to recognize you as an equivalent?

Completely don't get the arbitrary P5 designate crap.

Probably...

(03-27-2015 11:14 AM)MplsBison Wrote:  ...But let's face it, on the field the American is almost the same quality as the P5...

That's where you lost me.

Technically, yes. I think to make life simple, P5 say all independents are P5 since there are so few, BYU and ND are the teams that upper mid and top teams may want. Will the true power schools view Army as their P5 match to meet their requirements, probably not. I can see army get a lot of offers from mid to lower tier P5 teams. Probably the same will happen with UMass next year. Also, I think the rumor is that NMSU and Idaho was given their two year notice, so their may be two more independents.

If you are playing a SEC team.

You know UConn should petition the SEC for admission. They Mimic Kentucky in Basketball by being the very last school to beat Them. Both won a national championship and Both Lost in the 1st round of the NIT the next year. Both play Football that on Occasion have a winning season in Their conference. Big difference Here though is Kentucky Never played in a BCS Bowl game.
Hey, it dosen't hurt to try !

(03-27-2015 11:14 AM)MplsBison Wrote:  BYU "counts" as a P5. So wouldn't an independent UConn football team get the same treatment by the P5?

Here is what is missing from the equation. The reason the SEC and ACC made these designations was due to SOS, and opponent's SOS on rankings. One thing BYU has moreso than any other G5, is quality opponents on the schedule. Their schedule next year, for example, has 4P5 schools, and 7 AAC/MWC, mostly top half. Their SOS will help those schools OOC.

If UConn were indy and had a similar schedule, probably. IF they were Indy, but had otherwise the same schedule they have now, then no.

Why the need to continue trolling UConn... My

(03-27-2015 11:20 AM)loki_the_bubba Wrote:  

(03-27-2015 11:14 AM)MplsBison Wrote:  ...But let's face it, on the field the American is almost the same quality as the P5...

That's where you lost me.

Are we comparing the likes of Alabama, Ohio St., or Oregon, or are we comparing Vanderbilt, Pittsburgh and heck..... Baylor to the AAC teams? I think you see where I'm going with this.

(03-27-2015 11:43 AM)adcorbett Wrote:  

(03-27-2015 11:14 AM)MplsBison Wrote:  BYU "counts" as a P5. So wouldn't an independent UConn football team get the same treatment by the P5?

Here is what is missing from the equation. The reason the SEC and ACC made these designations was due to SOS, and opponent's SOS on rankings. One thing BYU has moreso than any other G5, is quality opponents on the schedule. Their schedule next year, for example, has 4P5 schools, and 7 AAC/MWC, mostly top half. Their SOS will help those schools OOC.

If UConn were indy and had a similar schedule, probably. IF they were Indy, but had otherwise the same schedule they have now, then no.

Yeah, I don't think UMass, Idaho, NMSU, etc., if they become football indys, will get the same designation as BYU, because of SOS and because BYU has so much more "football credibility" within CFB. Army gets that status out of respect for being a service academy, not for their football SOS.

(03-27-2015 11:14 AM)MplsBison Wrote:  BYU "counts" as a P5. So wouldn't an independent UConn football team get the same treatment by the P5?

They could play non-football in the Big East.

They'd lose CFP money that they get from the American, as well as other American revenue (not sure what kind of media deal they have). And they'd lose a chance at the G5 access slot.

But let's face it, on the field the American is almost the same quality as the P5. So for UConn to win it would most likely be with a couple losses. So how likely is a 3 lose UConn to get the G5 access slot over the MWC champion with 2 losses or a 0/1 loss champion from the SB, CUSA or MAC? Probably won't happen.


So ... if you can't beat 'em, join 'em. ... And if you can't join 'em ... then get 'em to recognize you as an equivalent?

Jeez, another one. I don't know which UCONN poster brought it up, but for a school that's "irrelevant" in the arena of CR, we sure do get a lot of attention.

At least one positive thing came from this thread.......it didn't get started by one of the usual anti-UCONN trolls.

(03-27-2015 11:29 AM)msm96wolf Wrote:  Technically, yes. I think to make life simple, P5 say all independents are P5 since there are so few, BYU and ND are the teams that upper mid and top teams may want. Will the true power schools view Army as their P5 match to meet their requirements, probably not. I can see army get a lot of offers from mid to lower tier P5 teams. Probably the same will happen with UMass next year. Also, I think the rumor is that NMSU and Idaho was given their two year notice, so their may be two more independents.

The assumption that all Indy teams would be deemed P5's is a pretty big one. At the very least, it's a temporary one. If all the G'5's disbanded and became Indys---what then? I think the P5 are a little choosier than that.

(03-27-2015 11:53 AM)NestaKnight1 Wrote:  

(03-27-2015 11:20 AM)loki_the_bubba Wrote:  

(03-27-2015 11:14 AM)MplsBison Wrote:  ...But let's face it, on the field the American is almost the same quality as the P5...

That's where you lost me.

Are we comparing the likes of Alabama, Ohio St., or Oregon, or are we comparing Vanderbilt, Pittsburgh and heck..... Baylor to the AAC teams? I think you see where I'm going with this.

We're going with the AAC also has Tulsa, Connecticut, SMU and Tulane in the bottom half of the conference. No doubt that you (like C-USA, MAC, and even the Sunbelt) have some very good teams at the top.

No.

The conferences that are in need of additional "P5" games in order to bolster the perception of their 8 game conference schedules are the SEC and ACC. BYU and Army are not battling for recruits or donors with the SEC and ACC, so no competitive advantage is lost by boosting their perception to P5 equivalent. You don't see the PAC claiming BYU as a P5 equivalent, primarily because they have a 9 game conference schedule, but secondarily because BYU is in their back yard.

UCONN is a school that as a P5 equivalent would battle ACC schools and to a lesser extent SEC schools for recruits and donors. The SEC and ACC would lose a competitive advantage by promoting UCONN, so they won't. By the same token, the SEC and ACC could very easily call Boise a P5 school but not Cincinnati.

Currently, that is the status quo from the SEC since their are only three independent teams. As I said, we will see what happens with UMASS next year. If people are trying to look at this from fairness, that is not what is about. It is about how can it benefit the P5. Look at the kid that got screwed by Louisville. He ends up at Wake Forest, I would say ECU would have been a much better choice but the P5 label for Wake helps. Wake just wants to make it to 6-6 and a bowl game. Anything on top of that is gravy. If Wake can schedule Army, FCS and to lower G5s, they have a much better chance to make a bowl. If Wake played ECU, Air Force, Marshall and FCS, I would be willing to bet Wake would go 1-3. If I were the P5, I would encourage as many independents as possible. If schools are stupid enough to leave the conference, the P5 will encourage them. Why would UCONN give up G5 money to get less an independent? Would going to the BE be enough to offset of being the AAC is the real question. That is what UCONN I would assume look at. It is all about the money.

(03-27-2015 11:14 AM)MplsBison Wrote:  BYU "counts" as a P5. So wouldn't an independent UConn football team get the same treatment by the P5?

This is a common misunderstanding/misperception. Two conferences recognize BYU and ARMY as fulfilling their P5 OOC scheduling requirement. This is MUCH different than BYU and ARMY being considered P5 members/equivalents.

I'm sure they are thrilled with their new found status from the ACC and SEC. However, both were already scheduling P5s prior to the designation. Not sure how much their schedules will actually change as existing rivalries/institutional philosophies will not be foregone for an ALL ACC/SEC schedule. Bowl eligibility will also be a consideration.

(03-27-2015 11:18 AM)buffdog Wrote:  Completely don't get the arbitrary P5 designate crap.

It's the ACC and the SEC.

They each have four teams that are indefinitely locked into rivalry games with a team in the same state but in the other conference. (Georgia - GT, Florida - FSU, South Carolina - Clemson, Kentucky - Louisville)

The other P5 are moving (or are at) nine game conference schedules.

But as you see, the ACC and SEC can't do that without forcing those four schools to play ten P5 games a year (at least). So the workaround, which I think is very reasonable, is to simply require each of their members to play nine P5 games per season, some way or another. Those four are already set and the rest just have to schedule another P5 in non-conference.

Adding to the list of "P5 qualifying" helps in that scheduling.

(03-27-2015 11:20 AM)loki_the_bubba Wrote:  

(03-27-2015 11:14 AM)MplsBison Wrote:  ...But let's face it, on the field the American is almost the same quality as the P5...

That's where you lost me.

Well, he did preface it with "almost".



Horseshoes and Grenades, though.

(03-27-2015 11:38 AM)CardFan1 Wrote:  You know UConn should petition the SEC for admission. They Mimic Kentucky in Basketball by being the very last school to beat Them. Both won a national championship and Both Lost in the 1st round of the NIT the next year. Both play Football that on Occasion have a winning season in Their conference. Big difference Here though is Kentucky Never played in a BCS Bowl game.
Hey, it dosen't hurt to try !

I'm guessing your post was tongue in cheek, but it's actually not a zero possibility. SEC might want to branch out and you're right about basketball.

Probably low though. I think the SEC prides itself on the whole "proud to be a southerner" thing.