(03-27-2015 09:18 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(03-26-2015 11:13 PM)wildbill4UM Wrote:  This game is a perfect example of why all you 'experts' are full of sh!t. Huggins is twice the coach and twice as tough, but players got to play. I will add, if you think the game of basketball is flipping rocket science, and guys like Rupp, K, Wooden, et al are some magic frickin gurus, then you're stupid. It's all about the players, always has been, always will be.

No, not entirely about players. It's also about matchups.

Like I wrote in an earlier post, there was no way Huggins could have done anything short of scrapping an entire season's worth of gameplanning and tried to put in an entire new defense and offense.

The way WVU was built this year is a testament to Huggins and his ability to use players to the best of what talent they bring.

Furthermore, to rebut you point, if you watched that game you might have noticed how untalented WVU was. No good shooters, only one good post player, short guards, no height.

YET, that team beat NC State, UConn, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, Kansas and others this year and made it to the Sweet 16. With a collection of no-stars and two good players.

That. Is. Coaching.

Good observations, and one thing I noticed was how similar WVA and Cincy are in playing style and personnel.

(03-27-2015 09:44 AM)tiger2000 Wrote:  Hear that sound? That's the sound of catholic americans everywhere praying for ND over Caltuckey.

I'm Catholic and never root for Notre Dame. I just hope it's a great game.

(03-27-2015 09:36 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(03-27-2015 09:31 AM)Crazier Wrote:  If WVU was in the ACC or retro Big East then no way they get blown out like that. They basically killed their olympic sports by joining the big 12 island.

That makes no sense.

Only to a person that can't think.

(03-27-2015 10:01 AM)Tiger46 Wrote:  

(03-27-2015 09:44 AM)tiger2000 Wrote:  Hear that sound? That's the sound of catholic americans everywhere praying for ND over Caltuckey.

I'm Catholic and never root for Notre Dame. I just hope it's a great game.

I'm not catholic not do I ever root for ND but I'm praying for this upset.

(03-27-2015 09:18 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(03-26-2015 11:13 PM)wildbill4UM Wrote:  This game is a perfect example of why all you 'experts' are full of sh!t. Huggins is twice the coach and twice as tough, but players got to play. I will add, if you think the game of basketball is flipping rocket science, and guys like Rupp, K, Wooden, et al are some magic frickin gurus, then you're stupid. It's all about the players, always has been, always will be.

No, not entirely about players. It's also about matchups.

Like I wrote in an earlier post, there was no way Huggins could have done anything short of scrapping an entire season's worth of gameplanning and tried to put in an entire new defense and offense.

The way WVU was built this year is a testament to Huggins and his ability to use players to the best of what talent they bring.

Furthermore, to rebut you point, if you watched that game you might have noticed how untalented WVU was. No good shooters, only one good post player, short guards, no height.

YET, that team beat NC State, UConn, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, Kansas and others this year and made it to the Sweet 16. With a collection of no-stars and two good players.

That. Is. Coaching.

You are entirely correct. It is about match-ups. Match-ups between PLAYERS.
As I said before: I think Huggins is twice the coach Cal is.
And, I would agree that list of impressive wins is indeed a testament to Huggins' ability to game plan, maximize talent, and motivate.
Yet, with all that going for WV, they just got 'doubled' by a bunch of (basically) freshman and a 'snake oil salesman'.
Do you really believe Cal has 'engineered' a great season on the chalk board?
I don't. I can draw up a play that should work every time, but my PLAYER has to execute.
It's all about the players, always has been, always will be.

And, I admit: This IS a bash Cal post.

(03-27-2015 10:16 AM)tiger2000 Wrote:  

(03-27-2015 10:01 AM)Tiger46 Wrote:  

(03-27-2015 09:44 AM)tiger2000 Wrote:  Hear that sound? That's the sound of catholic americans everywhere praying for ND over Caltuckey.

I'm Catholic and never root for Notre Dame. I just hope it's a great game.

I'm not catholic not do I ever root for ND but I'm praying for this upset.

not catholic not...? sounds like catholic to me.

(03-27-2015 11:25 AM)wildbill4UM Wrote:  

(03-27-2015 09:18 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(03-26-2015 11:13 PM)wildbill4UM Wrote:  This game is a perfect example of why all you 'experts' are full of sh!t. Huggins is twice the coach and twice as tough, but players got to play. I will add, if you think the game of basketball is flipping rocket science, and guys like Rupp, K, Wooden, et al are some magic frickin gurus, then you're stupid. It's all about the players, always has been, always will be.

No, not entirely about players. It's also about matchups.

Like I wrote in an earlier post, there was no way Huggins could have done anything short of scrapping an entire season's worth of gameplanning and tried to put in an entire new defense and offense.

The way WVU was built this year is a testament to Huggins and his ability to use players to the best of what talent they bring.

Furthermore, to rebut you point, if you watched that game you might have noticed how untalented WVU was. No good shooters, only one good post player, short guards, no height.

YET, that team beat NC State, UConn, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, Kansas and others this year and made it to the Sweet 16. With a collection of no-stars and two good players.

That. Is. Coaching.

You are entirely correct. It is about match-ups. Match-ups between PLAYERS.
As I said before: I think Huggins is twice the coach Cal is.
And, I would agree that list of impressive wins is indeed a testament to Huggins' ability to game plan, maximize talent, and motivate.
Yet, with all that going for WV, they just got 'doubled' by a bunch of (basically) freshman and a 'snake oil salesman'.
Do you really believe Cal has 'engineered' a great season on the chalk board?
I don't. I can draw up a play that should work every time, but my PLAYER has to execute.
It's all about the players, always has been, always will be.

And, I admit: This IS a bash Cal post.

True,

Signed,

Andrew Harrison (Soph)
Aaron Harrison (Soph)
Dakari Johnson (Soph)
Marcus Lee (Soph)
Derek Willis (Soph)
Dominique Hawkins (Soph)
Willie Cauley Stein (Junior)
Alex Poythress (Junior)

Kentucky: 4 newcomers this year
Your Memphis Tigers: 9 newcomers

PS...does any one really sell snake oil?

I could get you some snake oil.... from China. For topical use only and no guarantees.

(03-27-2015 11:32 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(03-27-2015 11:25 AM)wildbill4UM Wrote:  

(03-27-2015 09:18 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(03-26-2015 11:13 PM)wildbill4UM Wrote:  This game is a perfect example of why all you 'experts' are full of sh!t. Huggins is twice the coach and twice as tough, but players got to play. I will add, if you think the game of basketball is flipping rocket science, and guys like Rupp, K, Wooden, et al are some magic frickin gurus, then you're stupid. It's all about the players, always has been, always will be.

No, not entirely about players. It's also about matchups.

Like I wrote in an earlier post, there was no way Huggins could have done anything short of scrapping an entire season's worth of gameplanning and tried to put in an entire new defense and offense.

The way WVU was built this year is a testament to Huggins and his ability to use players to the best of what talent they bring.

Furthermore, to rebut you point, if you watched that game you might have noticed how untalented WVU was. No good shooters, only one good post player, short guards, no height.

YET, that team beat NC State, UConn, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, Kansas and others this year and made it to the Sweet 16. With a collection of no-stars and two good players.

That. Is. Coaching.

You are entirely correct. It is about match-ups. Match-ups between PLAYERS.
As I said before: I think Huggins is twice the coach Cal is.
And, I would agree that list of impressive wins is indeed a testament to Huggins' ability to game plan, maximize talent, and motivate.
Yet, with all that going for WV, they just got 'doubled' by a bunch of (basically) freshman and a 'snake oil salesman'.
Do you really believe Cal has 'engineered' a great season on the chalk board?
I don't. I can draw up a play that should work every time, but my PLAYER has to execute.
It's all about the players, always has been, always will be.

And, I admit: This IS a bash Cal post.

True,

Signed,

Andrew Harrison (Soph)
Aaron Harrison (Soph)
Dakari Johnson (Soph)
Marcus Lee (Soph)
Derek Willis (Soph)
Dominique Hawkins (Soph)
Willie Cauley Stein (Junior)
Alex Poythress (Junior)

Kentucky: 4 newcomers this year
Your Memphis Tigers: 9 newcomers

PS...does any one really sell snake oil?

Serious question: Is Cal a great coach, or does he just get great players?

Serious answer:

I think Cal was an OK coach when he came here...got better with experience.... and is now a very good coach for great players.

But he seems to be a good evaluator of players...and can have his pick of any. He did not want Iverson, for example.

What he is best at is positioning himself above the fray...I wonder how paranoid he is getting up there. lol.

(03-27-2015 11:55 AM)snowtiger Wrote:  Serious answer:

I think Cal was an OK coach when he came here...got better with experience.... and is now a very good coach for great players.

But he seems to be a good evaluator of players...and can have his pick of any. He did not want Iverson, for example.

What he is best at is positioning himself above the fray...I wonder how paranoid he is getting up there. lol.

Cal is a good motivator via the carrot of PT (play D or you get yanked) as well as the stick (SELFISH MOTHERF****R) and understands that you sell the dream of what happens after college. I remember specifically someone in the press asking him about how bad CUSA was and how it affected recruiting and CAL said something like "they don't care what conference we play in, they want to know how to get to the NBA."

(03-27-2015 11:46 AM)wildbill4UM Wrote:  

(03-27-2015 11:32 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(03-27-2015 11:25 AM)wildbill4UM Wrote:  

(03-27-2015 09:18 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(03-26-2015 11:13 PM)wildbill4UM Wrote:  This game is a perfect example of why all you 'experts' are full of sh!t. Huggins is twice the coach and twice as tough, but players got to play. I will add, if you think the game of basketball is flipping rocket science, and guys like Rupp, K, Wooden, et al are some magic frickin gurus, then you're stupid. It's all about the players, always has been, always will be.

No, not entirely about players. It's also about matchups.

Like I wrote in an earlier post, there was no way Huggins could have done anything short of scrapping an entire season's worth of gameplanning and tried to put in an entire new defense and offense.

The way WVU was built this year is a testament to Huggins and his ability to use players to the best of what talent they bring.

Furthermore, to rebut you point, if you watched that game you might have noticed how untalented WVU was. No good shooters, only one good post player, short guards, no height.

YET, that team beat NC State, UConn, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, Kansas and others this year and made it to the Sweet 16. With a collection of no-stars and two good players.

That. Is. Coaching.

You are entirely correct. It is about match-ups. Match-ups between PLAYERS.
As I said before: I think Huggins is twice the coach Cal is.
And, I would agree that list of impressive wins is indeed a testament to Huggins' ability to game plan, maximize talent, and motivate.
Yet, with all that going for WV, they just got 'doubled' by a bunch of (basically) freshman and a 'snake oil salesman'.
Do you really believe Cal has 'engineered' a great season on the chalk board?
I don't. I can draw up a play that should work every time, but my PLAYER has to execute.
It's all about the players, always has been, always will be.

And, I admit: This IS a bash Cal post.

True,

Signed,

Andrew Harrison (Soph)
Aaron Harrison (Soph)
Dakari Johnson (Soph)
Marcus Lee (Soph)
Derek Willis (Soph)
Dominique Hawkins (Soph)
Willie Cauley Stein (Junior)
Alex Poythress (Junior)

Kentucky: 4 newcomers this year
Your Memphis Tigers: 9 newcomers

PS...does any one really sell snake oil?

Serious question: Is Cal a great coach, or does he just get great players?

Well, he gets great players. That's a given.

As for a coach, yeah he's a great coach.

1) He gets damn near EVERY team he's ever had to play great defense. Defense is coaching. It's instructing in practice. It's repetition, positioning, communicating.

2) His players play hard. There was a play last night when Ky was up (seriously) like 58-26 and one of the Harrison missed a three. 7 footer Dakari Johnson chases down the ball to the corner, jumps out of bounds and throws it back in to save it back to Ky. Seriously. In a 32 point blowout a 7 footer is chasing balls down.

3) He takes advantage of matchups. If his team is taller, he pounds it down and posts. If his guards are quicker, he breaks them down. If a defender gets an early foul, he goes after that defender again.

4) He gets guys to check egos.

That is all coaching. He might not run a Tony Bennett or Bo Ryan scheme. Buy his guys know where to be on offense.

So yeah. He can coach.

/close thread

(03-27-2015 12:05 PM)tiger2000 Wrote:  

(03-27-2015 11:55 AM)snowtiger Wrote:  Serious answer:

I think Cal was an OK coach when he came here...got better with experience.... and is now a very good coach for great players.

But he seems to be a good evaluator of players...and can have his pick of any. He did not want Iverson, for example.

What he is best at is positioning himself above the fray...I wonder how paranoid he is getting up there. lol.

Cal is a good motivator via the carrot of PT (play D or you get yanked) as well as the stick (SELFISH MOTHERF****R) and understands that you sell the dream of what happens after college. I remember specifically someone in the press asking him about how bad CUSA was and how it affected recruiting and CAL said something like "they don't care what conference we play in, they want to know how to get to the NBA."

Good quick fast answer from Cal, but not quite holding these days. Kids, parents, entourages want to be showcased on tube. They wanna fly charter... lol

(03-27-2015 12:29 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(03-27-2015 11:46 AM)wildbill4UM Wrote:  

(03-27-2015 11:32 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(03-27-2015 11:25 AM)wildbill4UM Wrote:  

(03-27-2015 09:18 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  No, not entirely about players. It's also about matchups.

Like I wrote in an earlier post, there was no way Huggins could have done anything short of scrapping an entire season's worth of gameplanning and tried to put in an entire new defense and offense.

The way WVU was built this year is a testament to Huggins and his ability to use players to the best of what talent they bring.

Furthermore, to rebut you point, if you watched that game you might have noticed how untalented WVU was. No good shooters, only one good post player, short guards, no height.

YET, that team beat NC State, UConn, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, Kansas and others this year and made it to the Sweet 16. With a collection of no-stars and two good players.

That. Is. Coaching.

You are entirely correct. It is about match-ups. Match-ups between PLAYERS.
As I said before: I think Huggins is twice the coach Cal is.
And, I would agree that list of impressive wins is indeed a testament to Huggins' ability to game plan, maximize talent, and motivate.
Yet, with all that going for WV, they just got 'doubled' by a bunch of (basically) freshman and a 'snake oil salesman'.
Do you really believe Cal has 'engineered' a great season on the chalk board?
I don't. I can draw up a play that should work every time, but my PLAYER has to execute.
It's all about the players, always has been, always will be.

And, I admit: This IS a bash Cal post.

True,

Signed,

Andrew Harrison (Soph)
Aaron Harrison (Soph)
Dakari Johnson (Soph)
Marcus Lee (Soph)
Derek Willis (Soph)
Dominique Hawkins (Soph)
Willie Cauley Stein (Junior)
Alex Poythress (Junior)

Kentucky: 4 newcomers this year
Your Memphis Tigers: 9 newcomers

PS...does any one really sell snake oil?

Serious question: Is Cal a great coach, or does he just get great players?

Well, he gets great players. That's a given.

As for a coach, yeah he's a great coach.

1) He gets damn near EVERY team he's ever had to play great defense. Defense is coaching. It's instructing in practice. It's repetition, positioning, communicating.

2) His players play hard. There was a play last night when Ky was up (seriously) like 58-26 and one of the Harrison missed a three. 7 footer Dakari Johnson chases down the ball to the corner, jumps out of bounds and throws it back in to save it back to Ky. Seriously. In a 32 point blowout a 7 footer is chasing balls down.

3) He takes advantage of matchups. If his team is taller, he pounds it down and posts. If his guards are quicker, he breaks them down. If a defender gets an early foul, he goes after that defender again.

4) He gets guys to check egos.

That is all coaching. He might not run a Tony Bennett or Bo Ryan scheme. Buy his guys know where to be on offense.

So yeah. He can coach.

Huggy is still better, Cal and WWW just get better horses.
/close thread

(03-27-2015 01:48 PM)wildbill4UM Wrote:  Huggy is still better, Cal and WWW just get better horses.
/close thread

Ultimately, what does it matter when Cal is cutting down nets and Huggy Bizzle isn't?

(03-27-2015 02:32 PM)RekeHavoc Wrote:  

(03-27-2015 01:48 PM)wildbill4UM Wrote:  Huggy is still better, Cal and WWW just get better horses.
/close thread

Ultimately, what does it matter when Cal is cutting down nets and Huggy Bizzle isn't?

Which reminds me...they didn't cut down the nets when they won their conference tournament. I wonder how often that has happened.

(03-27-2015 02:41 PM)snowtiger Wrote:  

(03-27-2015 02:32 PM)RekeHavoc Wrote:  

(03-27-2015 01:48 PM)wildbill4UM Wrote:  Huggy is still better, Cal and WWW just get better horses.
/close thread

Ultimately, what does it matter when Cal is cutting down nets and Huggy Bizzle isn't?

Which reminds me...they didn't cut down the nets when they won their conference tournament. I wonder how often that has happened.

Act like you been there.