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Germanwings plane crash about to get really interesting to conspiracy theorists
Looks like one of the co-pilots was locked out of the cockpit deliberately by the other co-pilot during the 8-minute final descent into the Alps.
Planes are too big and expensive to be manipulated by a suicidal pilot and used as a weapon of mass destruction.
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RE: Germanwings plane crash about to get really interesting to conspiracy theorists
It has happened before, but harder to set an Airbus on a death spiral.
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RE: Germanwings plane crash about to get really interesting to conspiracy theorists
It wouldn't shock anyone if the Religion of Peace is involved.
I'm surprised the media hasn't linked this to Ted Cruz.
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RE: Germanwings plane crash about to get really interesting to conspiracy theorists
I'm sure it was Obama's fault.
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RE: Germanwings plane crash about to get really interesting to conspiracy theorists
(03-25-2015 10:37 PM)NIU007 Wrote: I'm sure it was Obama's fault.
Give us time. We'll find a link.
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RE: Germanwings plane crash about to get really interesting to conspiracy theorists
Co-pilot who locked out the pilot is Andreas Lubitz, a German who has no known terrorist ties. It could have just been him on a suicide-murder mission for personal reasons. We need a system which will auto correct a plane's deliberate crash descent when a plane is fully operational. We can operate drones - why can't we override a pilot's suicidal tendencies?
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RE: Germanwings plane crash about to get really interesting to conspiracy theorists
(03-26-2015 07:27 AM)Fort Bend Owl Wrote: Co-pilot who locked out the pilot is Andreas Lubitz, a German who has no known terrorist ties. It could have just been him on a suicide-murder mission for personal reasons. We need a system which will auto correct a plane's deliberate crash descent when a plane is fully operational. We can operate drones - why can't we override a pilot's suicidal tendencies?
It is actually much harder to take control away from the computer with an Airbus than with a Boeing. You must always have the ability to do so, or else there will be times when the computer will fly the plane into the ground. An early Airbus prototype crashed when the pilot couldn't override the computer, and on the Air France flight out of Rio that crashed, the pitot tube iced and was giving false airspeed signals to the computer, and the crew did not realize and override in time.
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RE: Germanwings plane crash about to get really interesting to conspiracy theorists
(03-26-2015 07:53 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote: (03-26-2015 07:27 AM)Fort Bend Owl Wrote: Co-pilot who locked out the pilot is Andreas Lubitz, a German who has no known terrorist ties. It could have just been him on a suicide-murder mission for personal reasons. We need a system which will auto correct a plane's deliberate crash descent when a plane is fully operational. We can operate drones - why can't we override a pilot's suicidal tendencies?
It is actually much harder to take control away from the computer with an Airbus than with a Boeing. You must always have the ability to do so, or else there will be times when the computer will fly the plane into the ground. An early Airbus prototype crashed when the pilot couldn't override the computer, and on the Air France flight out of Rio that crashed, the pitot tube iced and was giving false airspeed signals to the computer, and the crew did not realize and override in time.
Pilot suicide is rare but maybe it might be a good idea if a pilot can unlock the cockpit door from the outside.
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RE: Germanwings plane crash about to get really interesting to conspiracy theorists
(03-26-2015 08:16 AM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote: (03-26-2015 07:53 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote: (03-26-2015 07:27 AM)Fort Bend Owl Wrote: Co-pilot who locked out the pilot is Andreas Lubitz, a German who has no known terrorist ties. It could have just been him on a suicide-murder mission for personal reasons. We need a system which will auto correct a plane's deliberate crash descent when a plane is fully operational. We can operate drones - why can't we override a pilot's suicidal tendencies?
It is actually much harder to take control away from the computer with an Airbus than with a Boeing. You must always have the ability to do so, or else there will be times when the computer will fly the plane into the ground. An early Airbus prototype crashed when the pilot couldn't override the computer, and on the Air France flight out of Rio that crashed, the pitot tube iced and was giving false airspeed signals to the computer, and the crew did not realize and override in time.
Pilot suicide is rare but maybe it might be a good idea if a pilot can unlock the cockpit door from the outside.
He can using a keypad, unless overridden by the inside pilot.
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RE: Germanwings plane crash about to get really interesting to conspiracy theorists
(03-25-2015 10:28 PM)UConn-SMU Wrote: It wouldn't shock anyone if religion is involved placing 'blame'
fify just for shites and gigs....golly gee whiz
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RE: Germanwings plane crash about to get really interesting to conspiracy theorists
(03-26-2015 09:02 AM)stinkfist Wrote: (03-25-2015 10:28 PM)UConn-SMU Wrote: It wouldn't shock anyone if religion is involved placing 'blame'
fify just for shites and gigs....golly gee whiz
As of now, it appears no religion is involved. But the investigation is just beginning.
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RE: Germanwings plane crash about to get really interesting to conspiracy theorists
Off the top of my head this is the 3rd time this has happened - controlled flight into terrain by a pilot.
WTF pilots?
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RE: Germanwings plane crash about to get really interesting to conspiracy theorists
(03-26-2015 09:06 AM)Lord Stanley Wrote: Off the top of my head this is the 3rd time this has happened - controlled flight into terrain by a pilot.
WTF pilots?
former postal employees....there is no doubt.....
I scratch head trying to figure out why a depressive job would create a depressive environment.....go figure....
I'm actually shocked it doesn't happen more often.....
there is a reason Madden didn't like to fly.....he knew certain types of 'people' that had a screw loose...
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RE: Germanwings plane crash about to get really interesting to conspiracy theorists
(03-26-2015 08:41 AM)fsquid Wrote: (03-26-2015 08:16 AM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote: (03-26-2015 07:53 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote: (03-26-2015 07:27 AM)Fort Bend Owl Wrote: Co-pilot who locked out the pilot is Andreas Lubitz, a German who has no known terrorist ties. It could have just been him on a suicide-murder mission for personal reasons. We need a system which will auto correct a plane's deliberate crash descent when a plane is fully operational. We can operate drones - why can't we override a pilot's suicidal tendencies?
It is actually much harder to take control away from the computer with an Airbus than with a Boeing. You must always have the ability to do so, or else there will be times when the computer will fly the plane into the ground. An early Airbus prototype crashed when the pilot couldn't override the computer, and on the Air France flight out of Rio that crashed, the pitot tube iced and was giving false airspeed signals to the computer, and the crew did not realize and override in time.
Pilot suicide is rare but maybe it might be a good idea if a pilot can unlock the cockpit door from the outside.
He can using a keypad, unless overridden by the inside pilot.
Was listening to the airline CEO this morning and he mentioned this. Co pilot has a switch in the cockpit that can keep the door locked.
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RE: Germanwings plane crash about to get really interesting to conspiracy theorists
Sounds, at least to me, like one of the pilots had issues and decided to commit suicide. If so, dude is such a coward for taking all those other innocent lives as well. He should have just stepped off a cliff or something.
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RE: Germanwings plane crash about to get really interesting to conspiracy theorists
Law of Unintended Consequences.....The door to the cockpit was made to keep terrorists out. In this case it kept the pilot that maybe could have saved the flight out. Very, very sad story. To commit suicide and take 149 innocent people with you should qualify for a worse hell than imaginable.
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RE: Germanwings plane crash about to get really interesting to conspiracy theorists
When planes used to require a Flight Engineer in the Cockpit this wouldn't have been possible since two people would have been there at all times. I understand why the doors lock now (ala 9-11) but there has to be a fix for this. No bathroom breaks for pilots on short-haul (lower capacity) planes and a third relief pilot on all high capacity longer flights.
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RE: Germanwings plane crash about to get really interesting to conspiracy theorists
(03-26-2015 09:06 AM)Lord Stanley Wrote: Off the top of my head this is the 3rd time this has happened - controlled flight into terrain by a pilot.
WTF pilots?
Egypt Air - 1999
Silk Air - 1997
Pacific Airways - 1964
Pacific Southwest Airlines - 1987
Royal Air Maroc - 1994
LAM Mozambique - 2013
Germanwings - 2015
JAL - 1982
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RE: Germanwings plane crash about to get really interesting to conspiracy theorists
(03-26-2015 11:33 AM)49RFootballNow Wrote: When planes used to require a Flight Engineer in the Cockpit this wouldn't have been possible since two people would have been there at all times. I understand why the doors lock now (ala 9-11) but there has to be a fix for this. No bathroom breaks for pilots on short-haul (lower capacity) planes and a third relief pilot on all high capacity longer flights.
Norweigan Air just announced 2 crew (which would be a flight attendant) in cockpit at all times rule, which is a USA requirement.
If this would have been the case for Germanwings or for Europe it might have made it more difficult for the co-pilot to do what he did, but if one is hell bent on crashing the plane they will find a way to do it. I think your A320, or Boeing 737 type of aircraft are not designed for a Flight Engineer. Most modern airliners do not have a flight engineer.
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RE: Germanwings plane crash about to get really interesting to conspiracy theorists
(03-26-2015 11:48 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote: (03-26-2015 09:06 AM)Lord Stanley Wrote: Off the top of my head this is the 3rd time this has happened - controlled flight into terrain by a pilot.
WTF pilots?
Egypt Air - 1999
Silk Air - 1997
Pacific Airways - 1964
Pacific Southwest Airlines - 1987
Royal Air Maroc - 1994
LAM Mozambique - 2013
Germanwings - 2015
JAL - 1982
It is rare but it clearly happens. WTFH with that Malaysia flight? Still nothing.
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