(03-25-2015 12:23 PM)tigersgrizzfan Wrote:  shame the whole future of tiger basketball hangs on the lawsons

During Finch era the Tigers future was hanging on Penny. Far worst teams than we had this year before he signed. .

(03-25-2015 01:32 PM)midtowncowboy Wrote:  

(03-25-2015 01:29 PM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:  

(03-25-2015 01:19 PM)tigergreen Wrote:  

(03-25-2015 01:12 PM)Tygrys Wrote:  I have a feeling they will be added to the long list of "program savers" that have signed with JP only to be found to be "overrated"...

Signed,
Will Barton
Joe Jackson
Adonis Thomas
Shaq Goodwin
Kuran Iverson
Austin Nichols

Bingo.

I wouldn't write off Shaq or Austin just yet.

WB achieved as expected.
JJ achieved as expected.
AT lmao
Shaq archieving as expected.
KI lmao
AN achieving as expected.

All, with the possible exception of Iverson, were expected to be first round draft picks. None were first round draft picks (possibility for Nichols). None went to a Sweet 16 or better. By what metric did they achieve expectations?

AT LMAO? Perhaps, I am missing something? The guy was a 5* and top 15-20 player...

(03-25-2015 01:32 PM)midtowncowboy Wrote:  Shaq archieving as expected.

AN achieving as expected.

So the expectation this year was to miss both tournaments as expected? Interesting

(03-25-2015 01:56 PM)Tygrys Wrote:  

(03-25-2015 01:32 PM)midtowncowboy Wrote:  

(03-25-2015 01:29 PM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:  

(03-25-2015 01:19 PM)tigergreen Wrote:  

(03-25-2015 01:12 PM)Tygrys Wrote:  I have a feeling they will be added to the long list of "program savers" that have signed with JP only to be found to be "overrated"...

Signed,
Will Barton
Joe Jackson
Adonis Thomas
Shaq Goodwin
Kuran Iverson
Austin Nichols

Bingo.

I wouldn't write off Shaq or Austin just yet.

WB achieved as expected.
JJ achieved as expected.
AT lmao
Shaq archieving as expected.
KI lmao
AN achieving as expected.

All, with the possible exception of Iverson, were expected to be first round draft picks. None were first round draft picks (possibility for Nichols). None went to a Sweet 16 or better. By what metric did they achieve expectations?

AT LMAO? Perhaps, I am missing something? The guy was a 5* and top 15-20 player...

By who? Your scouting service? Duke and KY have rosters full of 5*. and not everyone of them is a first round pick.

AT LMOA at AT for the posse and attitude.

(03-25-2015 01:58 PM)Mick Light Wrote:  

(03-25-2015 01:32 PM)midtowncowboy Wrote:  Shaq archieving as expected.

AN achieving as expected.

So the expectation this year was to miss both tournaments as expected? Interesting

So you say because of Shaq and AN the Tigers missed both tournaments? Talking about throwing guys under the bus.

(03-25-2015 02:07 PM)midtowncowboy Wrote:  

(03-25-2015 01:58 PM)Mick Light Wrote:  

(03-25-2015 01:32 PM)midtowncowboy Wrote:  Shaq archieving as expected.

AN achieving as expected.

So the expectation this year was to miss both tournaments as expected? Interesting

So you say because of Shaq and AN the Tigers missed both tournaments? Talking about throwing guys under the bus. #ClownishContinues

No, I was axing a question.

#Lackofpunctionationunderstanding

(03-25-2015 02:00 PM)midtowncowboy Wrote:  

(03-25-2015 01:56 PM)Tygrys Wrote:  

(03-25-2015 01:32 PM)midtowncowboy Wrote:  

(03-25-2015 01:29 PM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:  

(03-25-2015 01:19 PM)tigergreen Wrote:  Bingo.

I wouldn't write off Shaq or Austin just yet.

WB achieved as expected.
JJ achieved as expected.
AT lmao
Shaq archieving as expected.
KI lmao
AN achieving as expected.

All, with the possible exception of Iverson, were expected to be first round draft picks. None were first round draft picks (possibility for Nichols). None went to a Sweet 16 or better. By what metric did they achieve expectations?

AT LMAO? Perhaps, I am missing something? The guy was a 5* and top 15-20 player...

By who? Your scouting service? Duke and KY have rosters full of 5*. and not everyone of them is a first round pick.

AT LMOA at AT for the posse and attitude.

Ya, you are right. They were expected to come in and be average players, never make it past the first round of the tournament, and never sniff the NBA... That seems more along the lines of expectations for the level of recruits they were.

So, again what are your metrics to say they met expectations?

In terms of pressure on PLAYERS.

The pressure is squarely on Nichols and Shaq.

Junior and Senior, now their team completely, time to step up and take the heat.

Joe Jackson's last two seasons saw the teams basically remain in the top 25, go on huge winning streaks, advance in the NCAA tourney, go undefeated in conference, knock off a really good Louisville team not once, but twice, knock off several ranked teams, definitely turning a corner...and still get crucified for falling short of the Sweet 16 and having some losses be by big margins.

Time to turn that level of scrutiny squarely on Nichols' shoulders. He likely will embrace it.

While that may be unfair, that is how it has worked...I suspect we will be led by him, be a top 25 caliber team all season, have some big wins, then it will still come down to that one game in March.

(03-25-2015 02:20 PM)Mimi Wrote:  In terms of pressure on PLAYERS.

The pressure is squarely on Nichols and Shaq.

Junior and Senior, now their team completely, time to step up and take the heat.

Joe Jackson's last two seasons saw the teams basically remain in the top 25, go on huge winning streaks, advance in the NCAA tourney, go undefeated in conference, knock off a really good Louisville team not once, but twice, knock off several ranked teams, definitely turning a corner...and still get crucified for falling short of the Sweet 16 and having some losses be by big margins.

Time to turn that level of scrutiny squarely on Nichols' shoulders. He likely will embrace it.

While that may be unfair, that is how it has worked...I suspect we will be led by him, be a top 25 caliber team all season, have some big wins, then it will still come down to that one game in March.

Memphis was ranked less than half of Joe's junior year and didn't receive a single vote in about a third of it. 31-5 in C-USA wasn't impressing many sportswriters by then.

(03-25-2015 01:41 PM)ncrdbl1 Wrote:  

(03-25-2015 12:23 PM)tigersgrizzfan Wrote:  shame the whole future of tiger basketball hangs on the lawsons

During Finch era the Tigers future was hanging on Penny. Far worst teams than we had this year before he signed. .

different day and age...we were lucky to get penny...he was prop 48 among other things...and finch was being road blocked at every turn when trying to recruit Memphis..

PLUS the fact that he was getting sick at the time

(03-25-2015 01:32 PM)midtowncowboy Wrote:  

(03-25-2015 01:29 PM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:  

(03-25-2015 01:19 PM)tigergreen Wrote:  

(03-25-2015 01:12 PM)Tygrys Wrote:  I have a feeling they will be added to the long list of "program savers" that have signed with JP only to be found to be "overrated"...

Signed,
Will Barton
Joe Jackson
Adonis Thomas
Shaq Goodwin
Kuran Iverson
Austin Nichols

Bingo.

I wouldn't write off Shaq or Austin just yet.

WB achieved as expected.
JJ achieved as expected.
AT lmao
Shaq archieving as expected.
KI lmao
AN achieving as expected.

An accurate response to a hysterical post.

Shaq as expected?

He was a Mc DAA who is one of the few who doesn't average double digits in scoring. Made the CUSA All-freshman team but no other post-season accolades. Similar numbers to Tony Parker, who most admit has been a disappointment.

(03-25-2015 12:03 PM)Brother Bluto Wrote:  My prediction is they will both be thrown under the bus by a bunch of posters on this board before next season ends

Or even before it begins. Some posters are brutal here. I have always been willing to give every Tiger the benefit of the doubt till I see them play at least a half a season, then decide if they are trying or not. If they play hard and hustle they will have no complaints from me, not that they'd care. I'm willing to be patient. I didn't start to dog Shaq till this past season. Just glad he pulled out of it. He still makes stupid plays but started hustling. We need him next year, so hope he's still got the fire he found in the last 10 games or so.

(03-25-2015 12:03 PM)Brother Bluto Wrote:  My prediction is they will both be thrown under the bus by a bunch of posters on this board before next season starts

FIFY

(03-25-2015 12:24 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(03-25-2015 12:20 PM)Strat57 Wrote:  

(03-25-2015 12:15 PM)Brother Bluto Wrote:  

(03-25-2015 12:10 PM)fsquid Wrote:  **** they will be thrown under before calendar year end.

Well I was trying to be optimistic

There is hope. You have let Josh rub off on you.

That is disgusting.

Ain't it doe

(03-25-2015 01:38 PM)80sTiger Wrote:  

(03-25-2015 12:03 PM)Brother Bluto Wrote:  My prediction is they will both be thrown under the bus by a bunch of posters on this board before next season ends

Only if they transfer

Not necessarily. Joe was thrown under the bus by one of our better posters for a rumor that he might transfer. An entire diatribe about "listening to grandma"

I think the pressure will mount between Pastner and Daddy Lawson. That's when the shat will hit said fan.

(03-25-2015 03:38 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  Shaq as expected?

He was a Mc DAA who is one of the few who doesn't average double digits in scoring. Made the CUSA All-freshman team but no other post-season accolades. Similar numbers to Tony Parker, who most admit has been a disappointment.

I saw him play a couple of times in high school. I knew what to expect. He wasn't close to being the best player in Atlanta that year. But he got the McD appointment so good for him. Shaq has been a good Tiger. I hope he finishes strong.

(03-25-2015 01:41 PM)ncrdbl1 Wrote:  

(03-25-2015 12:23 PM)tigersgrizzfan Wrote:  shame the whole future of tiger basketball hangs on the lawsons

During Finch era the Tigers future was hanging on Penny. Far worst teams than we had this year before he signed. .

Finch got screwed by an agent, Josh has nobody to blame but himself.

(03-25-2015 08:57 PM)midtowncowboy Wrote:  

(03-25-2015 03:38 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  Shaq as expected?

He was a Mc DAA who is one of the few who doesn't average double digits in scoring. Made the CUSA All-freshman team but no other post-season accolades. Similar numbers to Tony Parker, who most admit has been a disappointment.

I saw him play a couple of times in high school. I knew what to expect. He wasn't close to being the best player in Atlanta that year. But he got the McD appointment so good for him. Shaq has been a good Tiger. I hope he finishes strong.

Who was out of curiosity? If u know that is...I Always thought shaq would be a 10-12 ppg and 7-8 rpg for his career just on his motor and athletic ability alone with a little bit of skill.