(03-25-2015 11:49 AM)MemphisFan95 Wrote:  

(03-25-2015 11:47 AM)poppaslaw Wrote:  

(03-25-2015 11:46 AM)MemphisFan95 Wrote:  

(03-25-2015 11:40 AM)poppaslaw Wrote:  Geron owes JP A LOT. I'd be in his corner too under those circumstances.

Chris Crawford defended him also what does he owe JP

Link?

Check John Martins twitter was tweeted about an hour ago

John Martin? HAHAHAHAHAHA *Sorry bro.

(03-25-2015 11:43 AM)Ramen_Tiger Wrote:  

(03-25-2015 11:41 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  So we hate David Pellom, Shawn Taggart and Calvin Godfrey? How about any transfers that come in this summer?

What the hell are you talking about?

That transferring is a two street. Moreso these days.

Heck, just look at all the HS transferring.

(03-25-2015 11:50 AM)80sTiger Wrote:  Also the most MR post ever over there considering the situation.

(03-25-2015 11:58 AM)dan o Wrote:  

(03-25-2015 11:43 AM)Ramen_Tiger Wrote:  

(03-25-2015 11:41 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  So we hate David Pellom, Shawn Taggart and Calvin Godfrey? How about any transfers that come in this summer?

What the hell are you talking about?

That transferring is a two street. Moreso these days.

Heck, just look at all the HS transferring.

Transferring is a common occurrence. I lost track of everyone who transferred from Duke this past season.

What matters is WHO is transferring. Star ratings next to names dont mean anything. If it were Shaq, AN, or Geron transferring, that would be troubling. Anyone of our core would be troubling. Right now, its only those players who are getting severely squeezed for playing time.

I want King to transfer, so that King can get into a program where he can get some playing time. This coming year, his minutes would be scant. King has to really focus on where he transfers to, though. Otherwise he could end up in the same position as he is here, at a school further down the totem pole. I do believe there are some DIV I schools where King could perform well.

Pookie transferring makes no sense whatsoever if he is serious about getting better as a point guard. He may have been top 100, but his numbers were bad. His shooting was atrocious. He can go anywhere he wants, but if the "freshman" mistakes and bad shooting dont improve, he will be in the same boat. If a kid has to sit for a year due to academics, I expect his shot mechanics to be flawless when he's eligible to play. He's had plenty of time to work on that, and ball handling, and passing, and everything else a PG needs to do. It's one thing to be a freshman PG and make freshman mistakes. Its another thing to be a redshirt freshman PG and to put up the numbers he did. With that, I am not dogging Pookie out. I wish he would stay and work on his game. Because unlike Wilson and King, I dont see him going elsewhere and immediately contributing at a higher level.

He can go out and prove me wrong, though. I hope he does.

(03-25-2015 11:41 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  So we hate David Pellom, Shawn Taggart and Calvin Godfrey? How about any transfers that come in this summer?

I don't hate anybody. I understand that players want to transfer if they aren't getting playing time. I just question if we have someone coming in who is better player that King, in particular. He plays with a tough and gritty attitude, which something we sorely need on this team.

(03-25-2015 12:54 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  Transferring is a common occurrence. I lost track of everyone who transferred from Duke this past season.

Semi Ojeleye - transferred to SMU
Rasheed Sulaimon - dismissed

Did I miss anyone?

There is going to be some fallout on this team. Maybe another guy or two gone. Some new guys coming in. No reason to lose our mind everytime something happens. We are gonna have to just wait and see.

(03-25-2015 01:03 PM)tigerlands Wrote:  There is going to be some fallout on this team. Maybe another guy or two gone. Some new guys coming in. No reason to lose our mind everytime something happens. We are gonna have to just wait and see.

Losing depth hurts. Losing young players hurts. We need young players to develop and next year, we'll be short on quality guards. Maybe we'll get a decent transfer but we can't always expect a Geron-caliber transfer. We are not a one and done destination and hence will basically be in rebuilding mode for another couple of seasons.

(03-25-2015 12:54 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(03-25-2015 11:58 AM)dan o Wrote:  

(03-25-2015 11:43 AM)Ramen_Tiger Wrote:  

(03-25-2015 11:41 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  So we hate David Pellom, Shawn Taggart and Calvin Godfrey? How about any transfers that come in this summer?

What the hell are you talking about?

That transferring is a two street. Moreso these days.

Heck, just look at all the HS transferring.

Transferring is a common occurrence. I lost track of everyone who transferred from Duke this past season.

What matters is WHO is transferring. Star ratings next to names dont mean anything. If it were Shaq, AN, or Geron transferring, that would be troubling. Anyone of our core would be troubling. Right now, its only those players who are getting severely squeezed for playing time.

I want King to transfer, so that King can get into a program where he can get some playing time. This coming year, his minutes would be scant. King has to really focus on where he transfers to, though. Otherwise he could end up in the same position as he is here, at a school further down the totem pole. I do believe there are some DIV I schools where King could perform well.

Pookie transferring makes no sense whatsoever if he is serious about getting better as a point guard. He may have been top 100, but his numbers were bad. His shooting was atrocious. He can go anywhere he wants, but if the "freshman" mistakes and bad shooting dont improve, he will be in the same boat. If a kid has to sit for a year due to academics, I expect his shot mechanics to be flawless when he's eligible to play. He's had plenty of time to work on that, and ball handling, and passing, and everything else a PG needs to do. It's one thing to be a freshman PG and make freshman mistakes. Its another thing to be a redshirt freshman PG and to put up the numbers he did. With that, I am not dogging Pookie out. I wish he would stay and work on his game. Because unlike Wilson and King, I dont see him going elsewhere and immediately contributing at a higher level.

He can go out and prove me wrong, though. I hope he does.

Duke? Duke's a bad example.

(03-25-2015 12:54 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(03-25-2015 11:58 AM)dan o Wrote:  

(03-25-2015 11:43 AM)Ramen_Tiger Wrote:  

(03-25-2015 11:41 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  So we hate David Pellom, Shawn Taggart and Calvin Godfrey? How about any transfers that come in this summer?

What the hell are you talking about?

That transferring is a two street. Moreso these days.

Heck, just look at all the HS transferring.

Transferring is a common occurrence. I lost track of everyone who transferred from Duke this past season.

What matters is WHO is transferring. Star ratings next to names dont mean anything. If it were Shaq, AN, or Geron transferring, that would be troubling. Anyone of our core would be troubling. Right now, its only those players who are getting severely squeezed for playing time.

I want King to transfer, so that King can get into a program where he can get some playing time. This coming year, his minutes would be scant. King has to really focus on where he transfers to, though. Otherwise he could end up in the same position as he is here, at a school further down the totem pole. I do believe there are some DIV I schools where King could perform well.

Pookie transferring makes no sense whatsoever if he is serious about getting better as a point guard. He may have been top 100, but his numbers were bad. His shooting was atrocious. He can go anywhere he wants, but if the "freshman" mistakes and bad shooting dont improve, he will be in the same boat. If a kid has to sit for a year due to academics, I expect his shot mechanics to be flawless when he's eligible to play. He's had plenty of time to work on that, and ball handling, and passing, and everything else a PG needs to do. It's one thing to be a freshman PG and make freshman mistakes. Its another thing to be a redshirt freshman PG and to put up the numbers he did. With that, I am not dogging Pookie out. I wish he would stay and work on his game. Because unlike Wilson and King, I dont see him going elsewhere and immediately contributing at a higher level.

He can go out and prove me wrong, though. I hope he does.

Nick King was probably the #1 "hustler" on the team. He has a knack for the ball.
People say he's not a 3, can't go right or shoot the 3. I agree. My question is then, Pastner should know this, so why are you putting him in the game with Shaq and Austin?

Every time Shaq/Austin got tired/foul trouble, I'd put King in his place not Godfrey. But he's gone now and will probably do better with playing time.

Doesn't mean he'll turn into a lottery pick.

I find it hard to believe Pookie was worse than Cunningham, who received at times more playing time behind an out of shape point guard.

The staff allegedly "begged" or convinced him to stay in the summer and this happens. If you recruited him, you play him for the future especially when you don't have a good starting pg.

(03-25-2015 01:21 PM)memphissince86 Wrote:  

(03-25-2015 12:54 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(03-25-2015 11:58 AM)dan o Wrote:  

(03-25-2015 11:43 AM)Ramen_Tiger Wrote:  

(03-25-2015 11:41 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  So we hate David Pellom, Shawn Taggart and Calvin Godfrey? How about any transfers that come in this summer?

What the hell are you talking about?

That transferring is a two street. Moreso these days.

Heck, just look at all the HS transferring.

Transferring is a common occurrence. I lost track of everyone who transferred from Duke this past season.

What matters is WHO is transferring. Star ratings next to names dont mean anything. If it were Shaq, AN, or Geron transferring, that would be troubling. Anyone of our core would be troubling. Right now, its only those players who are getting severely squeezed for playing time.

I want King to transfer, so that King can get into a program where he can get some playing time. This coming year, his minutes would be scant. King has to really focus on where he transfers to, though. Otherwise he could end up in the same position as he is here, at a school further down the totem pole. I do believe there are some DIV I schools where King could perform well.

Pookie transferring makes no sense whatsoever if he is serious about getting better as a point guard. He may have been top 100, but his numbers were bad. His shooting was atrocious. He can go anywhere he wants, but if the "freshman" mistakes and bad shooting dont improve, he will be in the same boat. If a kid has to sit for a year due to academics, I expect his shot mechanics to be flawless when he's eligible to play. He's had plenty of time to work on that, and ball handling, and passing, and everything else a PG needs to do. It's one thing to be a freshman PG and make freshman mistakes. Its another thing to be a redshirt freshman PG and to put up the numbers he did. With that, I am not dogging Pookie out. I wish he would stay and work on his game. Because unlike Wilson and King, I dont see him going elsewhere and immediately contributing at a higher level.

He can go out and prove me wrong, though. I hope he does.

Nick King was probably the #1 "hustler" on the team. He has a knack for the ball.
People say he's not a 3, can't go right or shoot the 3. I agree. My question is then, Pastner should know this, so why are you putting him in the game with Shaq and Austin?

Every time Shaq/Austin got tired/foul trouble, I'd put King in his place not Godfrey. But he's gone now and will probably do better with playing time.

Doesn't mean he'll turn into a lottery pick.

I find it hard to believe Pookie was worse than Cunningham, who received at times more playing time behind an out of shape point guard.

The staff allegedly "begged" or convinced him to stay in the summer and this happens. If you recruited him, you play him for the future especially when you don't have a good starting pg.

Oh boy. Enter old man grizz...

(03-25-2015 01:21 PM)memphissince86 Wrote:  

(03-25-2015 12:54 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(03-25-2015 11:58 AM)dan o Wrote:  

(03-25-2015 11:43 AM)Ramen_Tiger Wrote:  

(03-25-2015 11:41 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  So we hate David Pellom, Shawn Taggart and Calvin Godfrey? How about any transfers that come in this summer?

What the hell are you talking about?

That transferring is a two street. Moreso these days.

Heck, just look at all the HS transferring.

Transferring is a common occurrence. I lost track of everyone who transferred from Duke this past season.

What matters is WHO is transferring. Star ratings next to names dont mean anything. If it were Shaq, AN, or Geron transferring, that would be troubling. Anyone of our core would be troubling. Right now, its only those players who are getting severely squeezed for playing time.

I want King to transfer, so that King can get into a program where he can get some playing time. This coming year, his minutes would be scant. King has to really focus on where he transfers to, though. Otherwise he could end up in the same position as he is here, at a school further down the totem pole. I do believe there are some DIV I schools where King could perform well.

Pookie transferring makes no sense whatsoever if he is serious about getting better as a point guard. He may have been top 100, but his numbers were bad. His shooting was atrocious. He can go anywhere he wants, but if the "freshman" mistakes and bad shooting dont improve, he will be in the same boat. If a kid has to sit for a year due to academics, I expect his shot mechanics to be flawless when he's eligible to play. He's had plenty of time to work on that, and ball handling, and passing, and everything else a PG needs to do. It's one thing to be a freshman PG and make freshman mistakes. Its another thing to be a redshirt freshman PG and to put up the numbers he did. With that, I am not dogging Pookie out. I wish he would stay and work on his game. Because unlike Wilson and King, I dont see him going elsewhere and immediately contributing at a higher level.

He can go out and prove me wrong, though. I hope he does.

Nick King was probably the #1 "hustler" on the team. He has a knack for the ball.
People say he's not a 3, can't go right or shoot the 3. I agree. My question is then, Pastner should know this, so why are you putting him in the game with Shaq and Austin?

Every time Shaq/Austin got tired/foul trouble, I'd put King in his place not Godfrey. But he's gone now and will probably do better with playing time.

Doesn't mean he'll turn into a lottery pick.

I find it hard to believe Pookie was worse than Cunningham, who received at times more playing time behind an out of shape point guard.

The staff allegedly "begged" or convinced him to stay in the summer and this happens. If you recruited him, you play him for the future especially when you don't have a good starting pg.

33% shooting, 28% from 3 and 66% from FT line. NOT the numbers you need from the PG position. Then again i saw this early when everyone else was treating him like the second coming of Christ.

(03-25-2015 02:46 PM)ncrdbl1 Wrote:  

(03-25-2015 01:21 PM)memphissince86 Wrote:  

(03-25-2015 12:54 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(03-25-2015 11:58 AM)dan o Wrote:  

(03-25-2015 11:43 AM)Ramen_Tiger Wrote:  What the hell are you talking about?

That transferring is a two street. Moreso these days.

Heck, just look at all the HS transferring.

Transferring is a common occurrence. I lost track of everyone who transferred from Duke this past season.

What matters is WHO is transferring. Star ratings next to names dont mean anything. If it were Shaq, AN, or Geron transferring, that would be troubling. Anyone of our core would be troubling. Right now, its only those players who are getting severely squeezed for playing time.

I want King to transfer, so that King can get into a program where he can get some playing time. This coming year, his minutes would be scant. King has to really focus on where he transfers to, though. Otherwise he could end up in the same position as he is here, at a school further down the totem pole. I do believe there are some DIV I schools where King could perform well.

Pookie transferring makes no sense whatsoever if he is serious about getting better as a point guard. He may have been top 100, but his numbers were bad. His shooting was atrocious. He can go anywhere he wants, but if the "freshman" mistakes and bad shooting dont improve, he will be in the same boat. If a kid has to sit for a year due to academics, I expect his shot mechanics to be flawless when he's eligible to play. He's had plenty of time to work on that, and ball handling, and passing, and everything else a PG needs to do. It's one thing to be a freshman PG and make freshman mistakes. Its another thing to be a redshirt freshman PG and to put up the numbers he did. With that, I am not dogging Pookie out. I wish he would stay and work on his game. Because unlike Wilson and King, I dont see him going elsewhere and immediately contributing at a higher level.

He can go out and prove me wrong, though. I hope he does.

Nick King was probably the #1 "hustler" on the team. He has a knack for the ball.
People say he's not a 3, can't go right or shoot the 3. I agree. My question is then, Pastner should know this, so why are you putting him in the game with Shaq and Austin?

Every time Shaq/Austin got tired/foul trouble, I'd put King in his place not Godfrey. But he's gone now and will probably do better with playing time.

Doesn't mean he'll turn into a lottery pick.

I find it hard to believe Pookie was worse than Cunningham, who received at times more playing time behind an out of shape point guard.

The staff allegedly "begged" or convinced him to stay in the summer and this happens. If you recruited him, you play him for the future especially when you don't have a good starting pg.

33% shooting, 28% from 3 and 66% from FT line. NOT the numbers you need from the PG position. Then again i saw this early when everyone else was treating him like the second coming of Christ.

No, those aren't numbers you need from the SHOOTING guard position.

As a PG, the main objective is to set up the offense and distribute the basketball.

Kedren led the Tigers in assists this year at 2.7 per game. That was the lowest "team leading" assist total in 40+ years and the only time in the last 40 years the "leader" has averaged fewer than 3 assists per game.

Pookie was treated as the second coming?

I thought most folks just wanted him to get development minutes seeing how the most realized the season was a wash a few months ago.

(03-25-2015 03:05 PM)HoopDreams Wrote:  Pookie was treated as the second coming?

I thought most folks just wanted him to get development minutes seeing how the most realized the season was a wash a few months ago.

What is this the beginning of the end of?

(03-25-2015 03:07 PM)tigers1125 Wrote:  

(03-25-2015 03:05 PM)HoopDreams Wrote:  Pookie was treated as the second coming?

I thought most folks just wanted him to get development minutes seeing how the most realized the season was a wash a few months ago.

Anyone with real basketball knowledge knew Pookie was not a true PG; JP took gamble and lost.

Yet he was top 50 in the nation in assist percentage.

Does not compute.

He was never expected to come out an be Steve Nash, but he seemed to have a grip on the position and would have been a valuable player the next three years.

(03-25-2015 02:46 PM)ncrdbl1 Wrote:  

(03-25-2015 01:21 PM)memphissince86 Wrote:  

(03-25-2015 12:54 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(03-25-2015 11:58 AM)dan o Wrote:  

(03-25-2015 11:43 AM)Ramen_Tiger Wrote:  What the hell are you talking about?

That transferring is a two street. Moreso these days.

Heck, just look at all the HS transferring.

Transferring is a common occurrence. I lost track of everyone who transferred from Duke this past season.

What matters is WHO is transferring. Star ratings next to names dont mean anything. If it were Shaq, AN, or Geron transferring, that would be troubling. Anyone of our core would be troubling. Right now, its only those players who are getting severely squeezed for playing time.

I want King to transfer, so that King can get into a program where he can get some playing time. This coming year, his minutes would be scant. King has to really focus on where he transfers to, though. Otherwise he could end up in the same position as he is here, at a school further down the totem pole. I do believe there are some DIV I schools where King could perform well.

Pookie transferring makes no sense whatsoever if he is serious about getting better as a point guard. He may have been top 100, but his numbers were bad. His shooting was atrocious. He can go anywhere he wants, but if the "freshman" mistakes and bad shooting dont improve, he will be in the same boat. If a kid has to sit for a year due to academics, I expect his shot mechanics to be flawless when he's eligible to play. He's had plenty of time to work on that, and ball handling, and passing, and everything else a PG needs to do. It's one thing to be a freshman PG and make freshman mistakes. Its another thing to be a redshirt freshman PG and to put up the numbers he did. With that, I am not dogging Pookie out. I wish he would stay and work on his game. Because unlike Wilson and King, I dont see him going elsewhere and immediately contributing at a higher level.

He can go out and prove me wrong, though. I hope he does.

Nick King was probably the #1 "hustler" on the team. He has a knack for the ball.
People say he's not a 3, can't go right or shoot the 3. I agree. My question is then, Pastner should know this, so why are you putting him in the game with Shaq and Austin?

Every time Shaq/Austin got tired/foul trouble, I'd put King in his place not Godfrey. But he's gone now and will probably do better with playing time.

Doesn't mean he'll turn into a lottery pick.

I find it hard to believe Pookie was worse than Cunningham, who received at times more playing time behind an out of shape point guard.

The staff allegedly "begged" or convinced him to stay in the summer and this happens. If you recruited him, you play him for the future especially when you don't have a good starting pg.

33% shooting, 28% from 3 and 66% from FT line. NOT the numbers you need from the PG position. Then again i saw this early when everyone else was treating him like the second coming of Christ.

Give me a break. He was pretty much on par shooting wise with the rest of our guards. The only difference is his assists per 40 minutes was far better, which should be a much bigger concern for your PG...

Order below - Field goal %, three point % and assists/40 minutes

- Kedran 40.3% and 35.3% assists per 40 minutes 4.60
- Pookie 37.7% and 28.8% assists per 40 minutes 7.01
- Cunningham 37.3% and 30.0% assists per 40 mins. 6.24
- Crawford 40.4% and 30.1% assists per 40 minutes 3.17

(03-25-2015 03:07 PM)tigers1125 Wrote:  

(03-25-2015 03:05 PM)HoopDreams Wrote:  Pookie was treated as the second coming?

I thought most folks just wanted him to get development minutes seeing how the most realized the season was a wash a few months ago.

Anyone with real basketball knowledge knew Pookie was not a true PG; JP took gamble and lost. As soon as other team pressed (which most did as soon as he came in), Pookie would try to avoid inbounds pass and if he did get it pull up his dribble or go to a corner.

Pookie and Kedran had the exact same assist to turnover ratio, the difference being one had two years of SEC experience and one had no D1 experience...

(03-25-2015 02:46 PM)ncrdbl1 Wrote:  33% shooting, 28% from 3 and 66% from FT line. NOT the numbers you need from the PG position.

Yup.

Best Wishes,

Chris Garner (Fr.)
39% fg
25% 3pt
65% Ft

(03-25-2015 11:49 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(03-25-2015 11:43 AM)Stammers Wrote:  

(03-25-2015 11:41 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  So we hate David Pellom, Shawn Taggart and Calvin Godfrey? How about any transfers that come in this summer?

Another chance to say something nice about Geron passes you by. At least you didn't completely trash him like you did when you were defending Doug Gottlieb.

Haha...coming from a guy who made the "Life Changer" into the "Age Changer."

Stammers Wrote:Examples of this would be going from 18 to 19, or 19 to 20, 20 to 21, or even in some extreme cases from 21 to 22 years old.

Frank was instrumental in making this happen.

I should be shocked that you and your buddies continue to reference this as some sort of "win," but I'm not. You and Bluto especially like to whip yourselves into a frenzy. What do you think I meant when I posted that?