program can receive ?

The Virginia General Assembly resently passed a bill that limits the amount of subsidy an athletics program can receive from things like student fee. And they specifically spell out the power 5 conferences being more restricted than the rest of FBS.

http://lis.virginia.gov/cgi-bin/legp604....l+HB1897ER

"C. The subsidy percentage shall not exceed:

1. 20 percent for NCAA Division I-A institutions affiliated with the Atlantic Coast Conference, Big Ten Conference, Big 12 Conference, Pac-12 Conference, or Southeastern Conference;

2. 55 percent for NCAA Division I-A institutions affiliated with conferences other than the Atlantic Coast Conference, Big Ten Conference, Big 12 Conference, Pac-12 Conference, or Southeastern Conference;

3. 70 percent for NCAA Division I-AA institutions;

4. 78 percent for NCAA Division I-AAA institutions;

5. 81 percent for NCAA Division II institutions that operate intercollegiate football programs;

6. 85 percent for NCAA Division II institutions that do not operate intercollegiate football programs;

7. 89 percent for NCAA Division III institutions that operate intercollegiate football programs; and

8. 92 percent for NCAA Division III institutions that do not operate intercollegiate football programs."


This is coming about because some Va. schools are charging ridiculous amounts for there comprehensive fees allocation to Athletics.

The following figures are for the 2013-14 academic year ... note that these are the figures reported by the universities themselves:

Virginia Tech: $7.8 million
Virginia: $13.2 million
JMU: $33.6 million
VCU: $18.4 million
ODU: $26.7 million
GMU: $14.3 million
WM & Mary: $11.7 million
Radford: $11.2 million


With 2015-16 athletics fees of :
Virginia Tech: $282
Virginia: $657
JMU: $1,331
VCU: $726
ODU: $1,429
GMU: $532
WM & Mary: $1,665
Radford: $1,150

At the bottom of the link, ODU has until 2020 to be considered a Division 1-A program.

Not here, but considering the subsidies that both Clemson and South Carolina receive are far less than what both school's athletic departments pay back to the school it's not a big deal for us.

So for UVa to maintain ~$13 million they need an enrollment of 100,000, or for their existing enrollment of ~21k they will have to raise the fee to $3100?

(03-24-2015 08:46 PM)Wolfman Wrote:  So for UVa to maintain ~$13 million they need an enrollment of 100,000, or for their existing enrollment of ~21k they will have to raise the fee to $3100?

This is saying they can't have more than 20% of their 80 some million dollar athletic budget come from student fees. They could probably raise their student fee slightly and get away with it. VT was somewhere around 70 million I think but they are way below what they could be charging. JMU is going to have to drastically change their budget to comply.

(03-24-2015 11:04 PM)4x4hokies Wrote:  

(03-24-2015 08:46 PM)Wolfman Wrote:  So for UVa to maintain ~$13 million they need an enrollment of 100,000, or for their existing enrollment of ~21k they will have to raise the fee to $3100?

This is saying they can't have more than 20% of their 80 some million dollar athletic budget come from student fees. They could probably raise their student fee slightly and get away with it. VT was somewhere around 70 million I think but they are way below what they could be charging. JMU is going to have to drastically change their budget to comply.

My first thought was this won't affect VT or UVa at all, despite the tighter limit, because 20% of $70M+ is at least $14M. This is probably meant to discourage smaller schools from trying to climb (and maybe to reign in high student fees just a little bit).

So the early opinion is this does not affect UVA or VT

(03-25-2015 09:11 AM)BornAJacket Wrote:  So the early opinion is this does not affect UVA or VT

Correct. This is targeted at ODU, JMU, VCU, and the rest of the VA D1 schools. VA D1 schools have generally had high athletic budgets compared to peers in other states but it's mostly through student fees. Now they'll have to come up with 45% of their own money.

Good move by the state.

(03-25-2015 09:27 AM)4x4hokies Wrote:  

(03-25-2015 09:11 AM)BornAJacket Wrote:  So the early opinion is this does not affect UVA or VT

Correct. This is targeted at ODU, JMU, VCU, and the rest of the VA D1 schools. VA D1 schools have generally had high athletic budgets compared to peers in other states but it's mostly through student fees. Now they'll have to come up with 45% of their own money.

The numbers for JMU seem a little strange. Last I checked, their athletic budget was in the neighborhood of $33-35 million a year. These numbers would suggest they get virtually no revenue at all from any sources other than student fees. No ticket sales, no licensing or media revenue, no contributions from boosters - nada. That can't be right.

But if it is, they are in deep doodoo.

By Division 1-AA, are they referring to the FCS? And what is Division 1-AAA? Non-football, but D-I for other sports?

This would seem on its face to be an attempt to prevent any schools except UVa and VT from moving up in classification. Is that how you see it?

(03-25-2015 09:43 AM)ken d Wrote:  By Division 1-AA, are they referring to the FCS? And what is Division 1-AAA? Non-football, but D-I for other sports?

This would seem on its face to be an attempt to prevent any schools except UVa and VT from moving up in classification. Is that how you see it?

There are some D-1 schools that charge an astronomical athletic fee. NC State's is very low, and provides very little. App's and ECU's are much higher. I think it's an attempt to prevent the building of a program on the back of the students.

(03-25-2015 10:40 AM)lumberpack4 Wrote:  

(03-25-2015 09:43 AM)ken d Wrote:  By Division 1-AA, are they referring to the FCS? And what is Division 1-AAA? Non-football, but D-I for other sports?

This would seem on its face to be an attempt to prevent any schools except UVa and VT from moving up in classification. Is that how you see it?

There are some D-1 schools that charge an astronomical athletic fee. NC State's is very low, and provides very little. App's and ECU's are much higher. I think it's an attempt to prevent the building of a program on the back of the students.

ECU's is higher but for a G5 school it's actually very respectable. We subsidize at ~40% I believe. Most G5 schools subsidize well over 60%.

(03-25-2015 10:40 AM)lumberpack4 Wrote:  

(03-25-2015 09:43 AM)ken d Wrote:  By Division 1-AA, are they referring to the FCS? And what is Division 1-AAA? Non-football, but D-I for other sports?

This would seem on its face to be an attempt to prevent any schools except UVa and VT from moving up in classification. Is that how you see it?

There are some D-1 schools that charge an astronomical athletic fee. NC State's is very low, and provides very little. App's and ECU's are much higher. I think it's an attempt to prevent the building of a program on the back of the students.

Yes, this is an attempt to keep athletics fees under control. Not listed in my original post is Longwood who recently financed their move up to division 1 through $2000+ athletics fees. They've gone down every year and are currently at about $1,829. They are in deep doo doo with the passing of this bill.

I honestly think this is the wrong way to do it. They should have set maximum dollar amounts per student instead.

UCF for example is funded 55.5% by student fees. However, we have so many students that the actual fee is less than what UVA charges (even though the subsidy percentage is much higher).

What this basically boils down to is that the more money a school brings in from outside sources, the more that school is allowed to take from their students. That doesn't make any sense to me. Why should a school that makes a lot of money from other means be allowed to take even more student money than a school that doesn't? There should be a set limit on how much students are forced to pay regardless of how much money the schools bring in from elsewhere.

As things stand now, both Old Dominion and James Madison would be non-compliant. ODU has to meet the 55% threshold because they moved up to FBS, so with an athletic budget of $41 million they would have to cut student fees by about $4 million.

James Madison is $3 million over the limit as long as they remain in FCS. If they were to move up they would have to cut closer to $7 million per year.