Is there something wrong with the water at NIU?

(03-24-2015 07:55 PM)Max Power Wrote:  

(03-24-2015 07:48 PM)JMUDunk Wrote:  

(03-24-2015 07:22 PM)Max Power Wrote:  Not taking a subsidy doesn't mean it isn't Obamacare. He signed up for a plan on the federal OBAMACARE exchange.

Lol at Cruz setting anything up. Remember when he shut down the government and got everyone to hate the GOP, and his other GOP senators to hate him? Cruz is even less electable than Mitt Romney, and that's saying something.

Indeed, recent elections CLEARLY illustrate that "everyone hates the GOP". Except, of course, well anyone who's paid even a modicum of attention.

This hatred for the GOP now currently has the dims controlling a historically LOW number of State chambers, around 1/3, and losing Governorships in states like Illinois *sniff*, Maryland and other solid GOP areas...

Yep, GOP hatred has never been higher, except for every other period of American history.

The GOP has lost the popular vote in 5 of the last 6 presidential elections, and the electorate is shifting further and further to the left as the country gets less and less white, so keep whistling past that graveyard. Enjoy those off year elections because they're all you've got. Here in Illinois the Dems have veto proof supermajorities in both chambers and I think Maryland is the same.

Well then. You in Illinois are awesomely bullet proof! Good, better stay there.

What "we've" got is darn near insurmountable numbers of State legislative bodies, 2/3 of the Governships, both chambers of Congress for the foreseeable future, a semi-majority in the Supreme Court and a formidable bullpen of solid GOP leaders warming up for the next contest.

Your "team", on the other hand, has won exactly 2 presidential elections since 2000 and gotten that asss kicked ever since. Tell me your fairy tale about the majorities Bubba pulled in either of his elections?

What you got going forward is a tired old grandma, who is clearly a snake and a cheat, even forgetting liar, we saw that 20 years ago, and now just 3 weeks ago, do nothing senator and a disaster of a Sec of State, who made her "mark" as the new Tammy Wynette, the wife of an impeached, and disbarred sexual predator that stands by her man.. Good choice.

Nothing says Fresh Face and New Ideas like the WHITE (since your dumb*** brought that up) 70 year old, grandma, 1%'er, Wall street and foreign funded Mrs. of the Bubba. Run with that guys.

PLEASE!!! Run with that!

non-issue.

(03-24-2015 06:50 PM)Max Power Wrote:  Those aren't ironies buddy.

Cruz is following a law he says is unconstitutional. Plus he could go without it or get a non compliant plan, or have his wife get a plan to cover him again. But you know those Canadians; they love their government healthcare!

So wait a minute.. you're saying I don't like a law, because I think it's unconstitutional, I don't have to follow that law?

Wow.. and all this time, I'd been playing by the rules.. You know like Cruz did.

You're getting desperate.

(03-24-2015 06:07 PM)Max Power Wrote:  Oh sweet irony of ironies!

http://www.cnn.com/2015/03/24/politics/t...index.html


Rafael "Ted" Cruz 2016
3/23/15-3/24/15

You find it ironic that a Senator with eyes on the White House plans to comply with a law that he disagrees with?

I don't agree with LOTS of laws and I've voted to over-turn dozens of them (when actually given a chance to do so) but I still follow them until they cease to become laws.

Unlike Obama, Ted Cruz seems to be saying although he believes it to be Unconstitutional, until the people actually charged with interpreting those laws say so, it IS the law of the land and he will follow it.

It's actually a pretty obvious slap at Obama and his 'executive orders', his selective enforcement and his constant attempts to put himself on the Supreme Court. If you don't like the law... change it. Until you do, you follow it.

(03-24-2015 09:47 PM)maximus Wrote:  Ordinary people resign and take leaves where they lose insurance every day. In his case he is required by law to purchase it from the exchange. I know following laws is foreign to leftists but this is ridiculous.

BTW I've never seen a thread on here by you saying Obama isn't partaking in his own debacle? Talking about a hypocrite.

Did you click on my link?

Obama gets insurance through his employer, a concept which Obamacare is built around.

JMUDunk Wrote:What "we've" got is darn near insurmountable numbers of State legislative bodies, 2/3 of the Governships, both chambers of Congress for the foreseeable future, a semi-majority in the Supreme Court and a formidable bullpen of solid GOP leaders warming up for the next contest.

Your "team", on the other hand, has won exactly 2 presidential elections since 2008 and gotten that asss kicked ever since. Tell me your fairy tale about the majorities Bubba pulled in either of his elections?

What you got going forward is a tired old grandma, who is clearly a snake and a cheat, even forgetting liar, we saw that 20 years ago, and now just 3 weeks ago, do nothing senator and a disaster of a Sec of State, who made her "mark" as the new Tammy Wynette, the wife of an impeached, and disbarred sexual predator that stands by her man.. Good choice.

Nothing says Fresh Face and New Ideas like the WHITE (since your dumb*** brought that up) 70 year old, grandma, 1%'er, Wall street and foreign funded Mrs. of the Bubba. Run with that guys.

Let's take a look at the recent polls pitting that "grandma" against the "formidable bullpen of solid GOP leaders" lol.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/...president/

Wednesday, March 18
Bush vs. Clinton CNN/Opinion Research Clinton 55, Bush 40 Clinton +15
Walker vs. Clinton CNN/Opinion Research Clinton 55, Walker 40 Clinton +15
Paul vs. Clinton CNN/Opinion Research Clinton 54, Paul 43 Clinton +11
Christie vs. Clinton CNN/Opinion Research Clinton 55, Christie 40 Clinton +15
Rubio vs. Clinton CNN/Opinion Research Clinton 55, Rubio 42 Clinton +13
Huckabee vs. Clinton CNN/Opinion Research Clinton 55, Huckabee 41 Clinton +14
Carson vs. Clinton CNN/Opinion Research Clinton 56, Carson 40 Clinton +16

Yeah, I'll run with that.

BTW, Hillary will be just as old as Saint Reagan when he won office, and so all Reagan worshipping Republicans who attack her for her age will look like massive hypocrites.

Hambone Wrote:You find it ironic that a Senator with eyes on the White House plans to comply with a law that he disagrees with?

I don't agree with LOTS of laws and I've voted to over-turn dozens of them (when actually given a chance to do so) but I still follow them until they cease to become laws.

Unlike Obama, Ted Cruz seems to be saying although he believes it to be Unconstitutional, until the people actually charged with interpreting those laws say so, it IS the law of the land and he will follow it.

It's actually a pretty obvious slap at Obama and his 'executive orders', his selective enforcement and his constant attempts to put himself on the Supreme Court. If you don't like the law... change it. Until you do, you follow it.

I find it ironic that Cruz would sign up for a program he feels is the devil incarnate when there's multiple ways out.

If Cruz feels it is unconstitutional he should refuse to sign up. Take it to SCOTUS. Hell, argue it himself. He's a former Solicitor General.

Max Power. Why are you going to cast your vote for Hillary Clinton in 2016?

Also, why are you mocking ObamaCare when it is AGAINST THE LAW not to sign up?

(03-25-2015 12:09 PM)Max Power Wrote:  

(03-24-2015 09:47 PM)maximus Wrote:  Ordinary people resign and take leaves where they lose insurance every day. In his case he is required by law to purchase it from the exchange. I know following laws is foreign to leftists but this is ridiculous.

BTW I've never seen a thread on here by you saying Obama isn't partaking in his own debacle? Talking about a hypocrite.

Did you click on my link?

Obama gets insurance through his employer, a concept which Obamacare is built around.

JMUDunk Wrote:What "we've" got is darn near insurmountable numbers of State legislative bodies, 2/3 of the Governships, both chambers of Congress for the foreseeable future, a semi-majority in the Supreme Court and a formidable bullpen of solid GOP leaders warming up for the next contest.

Your "team", on the other hand, has won exactly 2 presidential elections since 2008 and gotten that asss kicked ever since. Tell me your fairy tale about the majorities Bubba pulled in either of his elections?

What you got going forward is a tired old grandma, who is clearly a snake and a cheat, even forgetting liar, we saw that 20 years ago, and now just 3 weeks ago, do nothing senator and a disaster of a Sec of State, who made her "mark" as the new Tammy Wynette, the wife of an impeached, and disbarred sexual predator that stands by her man.. Good choice.

Nothing says Fresh Face and New Ideas like the WHITE (since your dumb*** brought that up) 70 year old, grandma, 1%'er, Wall street and foreign funded Mrs. of the Bubba. Run with that guys.

Let's take a look at the recent polls pitting that "grandma" against the "formidable bullpen of solid GOP leaders" lol.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/...president/

Wednesday, March 18
Bush vs. Clinton CNN/Opinion Research Clinton 55, Bush 40 Clinton +15
Walker vs. Clinton CNN/Opinion Research Clinton 55, Walker 40 Clinton +15
Paul vs. Clinton CNN/Opinion Research Clinton 54, Paul 43 Clinton +11
Christie vs. Clinton CNN/Opinion Research Clinton 55, Christie 40 Clinton +15
Rubio vs. Clinton CNN/Opinion Research Clinton 55, Rubio 42 Clinton +13
Huckabee vs. Clinton CNN/Opinion Research Clinton 55, Huckabee 41 Clinton +14
Carson vs. Clinton CNN/Opinion Research Clinton 56, Carson 40 Clinton +16

Yeah, I'll run with that.

BTW, Hillary will be just as old as Saint Reagan when he won office, and so all Reagan worshipping Republicans who attack her for her age will look like massive hypocrites.

Hambone Wrote:You find it ironic that a Senator with eyes on the White House plans to comply with a law that he disagrees with?

I don't agree with LOTS of laws and I've voted to over-turn dozens of them (when actually given a chance to do so) but I still follow them until they cease to become laws.

Unlike Obama, Ted Cruz seems to be saying although he believes it to be Unconstitutional, until the people actually charged with interpreting those laws say so, it IS the law of the land and he will follow it.

It's actually a pretty obvious slap at Obama and his 'executive orders', his selective enforcement and his constant attempts to put himself on the Supreme Court. If you don't like the law... change it. Until you do, you follow it.

I find it ironic that Cruz would sign up for a program he feels is the devil incarnate when there's multiple ways out.

If Cruz feels it is unconstitutional he should refuse to sign up. Take it to SCOTUS. Hell, argue it himself. He's a former Solicitor General.

But wait. WE'RE the party of old stodgy white people.

Not you young, cool, dope smokin', coke snortin', hipsters with the red corduroys hanging out with the marxist professors, Chicanos, structured feminists and punk rock performance poets.

And please keep that candle lit on those polls, even if you did cherry pick the one outlier and the averages are more in the 8-9% range.

Only in a few does Cankles break 50% of the vote and most people aren't even paying attention or know who the heck half these possible Republicans are.

That and the absolute beating she takes in her approval numbers every time she opens her piehole.

It's a looooong time til November '16, your Wall St and Oil money 1%'er still has plenty of time to screw things up. Just like she did the last time.

(03-25-2015 12:09 PM)Max Power Wrote:  I find it ironic that Cruz would sign up for a program he feels is the devil incarnate when there's multiple ways out.

If Cruz feels it is unconstitutional he should refuse to sign up. Take it to SCOTUS. Hell, argue it himself. He's a former Solicitor General.

Please enlighten us on his ways out. I know of a few options, but not many. In my understanding they would as follows:

1. COBRA. Why would he though? It's expensive and not not designed to be a long term solution.

2. Pay the fine. The man has a family including two small girls. Even if he does have the means to pay for their healthcare out of pocket, does he want to spend his money that way?

3. Do nothing. Same as 2, but now he isn't following the law and the IRS gets involved in confiscating any tax refund to pay his penalty. Not a good option for someone running for office.


That pretty much all I could come up with. Insurance through his work is now part of Obamacare from everything that I have heard reported and read about. The man is complying with the law in what is probably the best for his family even though he doesn't like it. It's almost as though you want him to ignore the law just because he doesn't like it.

I think its a solid move in a purely political sense. He may not like the law, but he is complying with it, and running for an office that would give him the opportunity to improve or change it. He can say "See, I signed up for it just like millions of American citizens because I had to. Now I'm going to change it and make it better."

(03-24-2015 06:07 PM)Max Power Wrote:  Oh sweet irony of ironies!

http://www.cnn.com/2015/03/24/politics/t...index.html


Rafael "Ted" Cruz 2016
3/23/15-3/24/15

This is silly...

(03-25-2015 12:09 PM)Max Power Wrote:  Let's take a look at the recent polls pitting that "grandma" against the "formidable bullpen of solid GOP leaders" lol.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/...president/

Wednesday, March 18
Bush vs. Clinton CNN/Opinion Research Clinton 55, Bush 40 Clinton +15
Walker vs. Clinton CNN/Opinion Research Clinton 55, Walker 40 Clinton +15
Paul vs. Clinton CNN/Opinion Research Clinton 54, Paul 43 Clinton +11
Christie vs. Clinton CNN/Opinion Research Clinton 55, Christie 40 Clinton +15
Rubio vs. Clinton CNN/Opinion Research Clinton 55, Rubio 42 Clinton +13
Huckabee vs. Clinton CNN/Opinion Research Clinton 55, Huckabee 41 Clinton +14
Carson vs. Clinton CNN/Opinion Research Clinton 56, Carson 40 Clinton +16

Yeah, I'll run with that.

of COURSE you will... but it only shows that you don't understand polling. Similar polls in 2008 showed her the front-runner as well, and she didn't even get her own party's nod.

When it is one known person against 'the field', the field generally does poorly.

Here's a link for you http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nationwide_...candidates

Note that in late 2007, Hillary was polling at between 37 and 53% while Obama was around 25%... In fact, Obama didn't even appear on any polls until October 2006

Here's a CNN article where Hillary had a 15 point lead over Obama on March 19, 2007 http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/03/14/democrats.poll/

Note that Clinton's support went from 37% to 44% if Gore wasn't an option.

It is silly to think that polls in March of 2015 are any more meaningful than polls in March of 2007 were... and it is similarly silly not to know that a 'mixed' field splits lots of votes.

Quote:If Cruz feels it is unconstitutional he should refuse to sign up. Take it to SCOTUS. Hell, argue it himself. He's a former Solicitor General.

pfft. Yeah... I'm sure you publicly and openly break ALL SORTS of laws you disagree with...

(03-25-2015 12:39 PM)BobL Wrote:  

(03-24-2015 06:07 PM)Max Power Wrote:  Oh sweet irony of ironies!

http://www.cnn.com/2015/03/24/politics/t...index.html


Rafael "Ted" Cruz 2016
3/23/15-3/24/15

This is uninformed...

FIFY


As an aside,

(03-25-2015 12:09 PM)Max Power Wrote:  Obama gets insurance through his employer, a concept which Obamacare is built around.

Therein lies the problem. Obamacare combines the worst feature of our old system (linking health insurance to employment) with the worst feature of socialized medicine (replacing the doctor-patient relationship with bureaucratic micromanagement). Bismarck has neither

Quote:If Cruz feels it is unconstitutional he should refuse to sign up.

Why?

(03-25-2015 12:09 PM)Max Power Wrote:  Obama gets insurance through his employer, a concept which Obamacare is built around.

One of the larger pieces of proof that you have no idea what you're talking about.

Let's ignore for a moment that the ACA obviously isn't built around that, because fewer people now get their insurance through their employers than before the ACA...

You say getting insurance through your employer is a concept around which Obamacare is built, and then cast aspersions at a Congressman getting insurance through his employer??

COULD Cruz get around it? I'm sure he could. Anyone willing to make a bad financial decision and pay more than everyone else can... But only a leftist would think that the way to rally support to fix something is to stand outside and scream about things that don't impact them.

Having Insurance is the law. The ACA is about far more than WHOM you get your coverage through. It is intellectually dishonest to argue what the left argues about the ACA. All they are doing is arguing 'talking points'. 3 months ago, they were arguing that ACA compliant policies WEREN'T 'Obamacare policies' and now they're arguing that they ARE 'Obamacare Policies'.

The ACA forces Cruz to make certain choices. It is (primarily) THIS FORCED CHOICE that most on the right believe is Unconstitutional. What those choices are is fundamentally immaterial. It's like someone sentenced to death who believes that the death penalty is unconstitutional, but still he chooses the electric chair over hanging. It's not the choices he disagrees with. It's being forced to make that choice.

OP doesn't know what ironic means.

Before Obamacare, Cruz would have gone on Cobra and then/or bought an individual policy from an insurance company to bridge the gap between now and whenever he was eligible for new coverage at his or his wife's work. Obamacare ended that. Call Blue Cross/Blue Shield of Texas, and tell them you want to buy a policy. They will either (based on your income) forward you to the exchange or sell you the exact same policy you would have bought on the exchange, just without a subsidy.

Everything is standardized now, there is no competition outside of the Obamacare system. Just imagine what that'll do for prices in the future.