(03-24-2015 02:17 PM)ben-osu Wrote:  

(03-24-2015 01:47 PM)Overrated Wrote:  

(03-24-2015 01:36 PM)BcatMatt13 Wrote:  

(03-24-2015 01:30 PM)kellernr Wrote:  Reynolds hasn't been charged either.

And that's the difference...UC instantly kicked Ellis off of the team despite no charges. Xavier took the cowardly way out and is allowing him to play WHILE they "investigate."

Not sure the incidents are exactly equal as the one that happened to Ellis occurred in the offseason, which gave UC time to investigate.

Having said that, X has long had the reputation of covering things up on their campus, a suspicion that was confirmed when the freaking FBI investigated their university for how poorly they were handling on campus rape allegations, which is more disgusting than the stuff I've heard they have covered up over their years for their basketball program.

You guys don't really know what "investigation" means, do you? Simply being investigated doesn't confirm anything.

Well, they reached a settlement with the DOE Office of Civil Rights over the incidents.

(03-24-2015 01:54 PM)ben-osu Wrote:  

(03-24-2015 12:55 PM)BigDawg Wrote:  

(03-24-2015 12:19 PM)ben-osu Wrote:  Double standard? It's almost like we aren't a week away from a UC player assaulting someone on national TV and playing 2 days later...

Didn't realize Ellis beat down and then pulled a gun on Hammonds. Missed that he assaulted him. It was a hard foul and while he said he was going fore the box out, honestly I believe he was looking for payback from the elbow that caused him to bleed and leave the game a few minutes earlier and he tried to make it look like a box out. He should know he is under the microscope and can't do that. It was stupid and he hurt and embarrassed his team. But to call it assault is just being idiotic.

There is a rule in the rulebook and it was followed to the letter. He was ejected and there was no punch thrown, thus per NCAA rules he was eligible to play. Lots of players get flagrant twos and get ejected in this day and age. It happens. End of story.

UC's football team had a couple incidents over the season and each of them player was immediately put on leave until the details were figured out. We have aired on the side of caution.

If this had happened to a UC player during the NCAA, would we have put the player on hold. Don't know. The word altercation is hazy. Maybe there was a fight at a party and he was there or something. Maybe it will be bad. Who knows. Maybe the coaches talked to him and witnesses and felt comfortable with his story. We will see down the line. Its not my program, so I really don't care one way or the other.

If you walk up to someone on the street or at a party, wind up, look right at him and elbow him in the throat with a closed fist, that's assault (or battery, I guess, per BearcatJerry legal definitions are stupid, but check these out, Jerry http://abcnews.go.com/Sports/story?id=100318 , http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Violence_in...in_charges ) .

As far as suspensions, Sterling Gibbs got suspended 2 games for this: ( http://collegebasketballtalk.nbcsports.c...all-video/ ) which looks pretty similar to me.

It's hard to compare UC's reactions to Xavier's because with X not having a football team, there is a lot smaller pool of athletes to get in trouble. I don't remember another example of a X player getting in trouble off the court besides Dez Wells. Looks like Tappan and Lane were suspended after their incidents, but Payne and Williams played the next game, which fits the seriousness of their offenses, but I don't see any examples like OSU kicking Carlos Hyde off the tea m when they first heard about the allegations, and then reinstating him and changing it to a 3 game suspension after investigation.

Eggs has a history of players getting into trouble. Off the top of my head; Lloyd Price (armed robbery), Andre Smith (voluntary manslaughter/obstruction), Lavender (drunk disorderly/possesion drugs), Dedrick Finn (dog thief .. LMAO / drugs), James Posey (dui), Pete Sears (assault), Dewaun Rose (resisting arrest/disorderly conduct).

(03-24-2015 02:37 PM)bearcatmill Wrote:  

(03-24-2015 01:54 PM)ben-osu Wrote:  

(03-24-2015 12:55 PM)BigDawg Wrote:  

(03-24-2015 12:19 PM)ben-osu Wrote:  Double standard? It's almost like we aren't a week away from a UC player assaulting someone on national TV and playing 2 days later...

Didn't realize Ellis beat down and then pulled a gun on Hammonds. Missed that he assaulted him. It was a hard foul and while he said he was going fore the box out, honestly I believe he was looking for payback from the elbow that caused him to bleed and leave the game a few minutes earlier and he tried to make it look like a box out. He should know he is under the microscope and can't do that. It was stupid and he hurt and embarrassed his team. But to call it assault is just being idiotic.

There is a rule in the rulebook and it was followed to the letter. He was ejected and there was no punch thrown, thus per NCAA rules he was eligible to play. Lots of players get flagrant twos and get ejected in this day and age. It happens. End of story.

UC's football team had a couple incidents over the season and each of them player was immediately put on leave until the details were figured out. We have aired on the side of caution.

If this had happened to a UC player during the NCAA, would we have put the player on hold. Don't know. The word altercation is hazy. Maybe there was a fight at a party and he was there or something. Maybe it will be bad. Who knows. Maybe the coaches talked to him and witnesses and felt comfortable with his story. We will see down the line. Its not my program, so I really don't care one way or the other.

If you walk up to someone on the street or at a party, wind up, look right at him and elbow him in the throat with a closed fist, that's assault (or battery, I guess, per BearcatJerry legal definitions are stupid, but check these out, Jerry http://abcnews.go.com/Sports/story?id=100318 , http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Violence_in...in_charges ) .

As far as suspensions, Sterling Gibbs got suspended 2 games for this: ( http://collegebasketballtalk.nbcsports.c...all-video/ ) which looks pretty similar to me.

It's hard to compare UC's reactions to Xavier's because with X not having a football team, there is a lot smaller pool of athletes to get in trouble. I don't remember another example of a X player getting in trouble off the court besides Dez Wells. Looks like Tappan and Lane were suspended after their incidents, but Payne and Williams played the next game, which fits the seriousness of their offenses, but I don't see any examples like OSU kicking Carlos Hyde off the tea m when they first heard about the allegations, and then reinstating him and changing it to a 3 game suspension after investigation.

Eggs has a history of players getting into trouble. Off the top of my head; Lloyd Price (armed robbery), Andre Smith (voluntary manslaughter/obstruction), Lavender (drunk disorderly/possesion drugs), Dedrick Finn (dog thief .. LMAO / drugs), James Posey (dui), Pete Sears (assault), Dewaun Rose (resisting arrest/disorderly conduct).

I'm pretty sure Drew Lavender was kicked out of Oklahoma for drugs and CJ Anderson was also kicked out of Manhattan...and Xavier welcomed them with open arms...

(03-24-2015 02:02 PM)ben-osu Wrote:  

(03-24-2015 12:56 PM)BcatMatt13 Wrote:  

(03-24-2015 12:41 PM)ben-osu Wrote:  

(03-24-2015 12:32 PM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  

(03-24-2015 12:19 PM)ben-osu Wrote:  Double standard? It's almost like we aren't a week away from a UC player assaulting someone on national TV and playing 2 days later...

Almost as if.....your school burries drug use and sexual assault....your school sweeps arrests by the private campus police under the carpet ...your school cooks the books to get a diploma in every hand....

But compared to the other school you root for, this is all child's play.

You have examples or evidence of any of this?
You're right though, at least Ellis paid for his tattoos. The horror!

The FBI literally investigated Xavier like 2 years ago for covering up a rape that occurred on campus.

A Title IX investigation for how they responded to allegations is nowhere near the same thing as actively covering up a rape, and the university was not found guilty of any wrongdoing.

They settled and "didn't admit any guilt" while agreeing to completely change procedure on campus. That is a huge difference. I hope you are smart enough to realize that.

(03-24-2015 02:32 PM)righthook Wrote:  

(03-24-2015 02:14 PM)ben-osu Wrote:  

(03-24-2015 01:57 PM)kellernr Wrote:  Llyod Price

I had never heard of him until now (I was born in 92), but from what I read his robbery happened after he left Xavier.

Dedrick Finn, Drew Lavender, Will Caudle...

Again, you're talking about incidents from before the iPhone.
Finn and Lavender's incidents happened after they were done playing, and Caudle was completely exonerated.

(03-24-2015 02:48 PM)Overrated Wrote:  

(03-24-2015 02:02 PM)ben-osu Wrote:  

(03-24-2015 12:56 PM)BcatMatt13 Wrote:  

(03-24-2015 12:41 PM)ben-osu Wrote:  

(03-24-2015 12:32 PM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  

Almost as if.....your school burries drug use and sexual assault....your school sweeps arrests by the private campus police under the carpet ...your school cooks the books to get a diploma in every hand....

But compared to the other school you root for, this is all child's play.

You have examples or evidence of any of this?
You're right though, at least Ellis paid for his tattoos. The horror!

The FBI literally investigated Xavier like 2 years ago for covering up a rape that occurred on campus.

A Title IX investigation for how they responded to allegations is nowhere near the same thing as actively covering up a rape, and the university was not found guilty of any wrongdoing.

They settled and "didn't admit any guilt" while agreeing to completely change procedure on campus. That is a huge difference. I hope you are smart enough to realize that.

I'm not going to argue "guilt" vs "wrongdoing" but yes, they settled. and while I don't know to what extent their policies and procedures were changed, having bad or outdated policies is a far cry from actively covering up rapes. We can agree on this, right?

Don't get me started on XU, cover ups and double standards. They wrote the book on hiding their dirty laundry. They have a nun run interference for their student athletes. Guys like Lenny Brown get masters degrees, they hand out academic honors like Halloween candy. And that's just the academic side. The basketball program is their crown jewel. Kevin Frey and TJ Johnson used to beat the crap out of girlfriends, smash up dorms, and act like inmate gang leaders and their rent a cops would just calm things down and be on their way. And the moron who compared a flagrant foul in a basketball game that resulted in immediate ejection to a possible criminal matter sounds like he has the intellectual power of Lenny Brown himself.

Funniest part of this latest crap is Mack saying "its a four to five week investigation." Someone should've asked him how exactly he knows that. What respectable law enforcement agency or impartial investigator would share with him the duration of an investigation. And four to five weeks is a long long time if it were a simple bar brawl, domestic situation, or anything short of a significant crime involving some sort of forensic tests. That "4-5 week comment" reeks of something very fishy.

(03-24-2015 02:37 PM)bearcatmill Wrote:  

(03-24-2015 01:54 PM)ben-osu Wrote:  

(03-24-2015 12:55 PM)BigDawg Wrote:  

(03-24-2015 12:19 PM)ben-osu Wrote:  Double standard? It's almost like we aren't a week away from a UC player assaulting someone on national TV and playing 2 days later...

Didn't realize Ellis beat down and then pulled a gun on Hammonds. Missed that he assaulted him. It was a hard foul and while he said he was going fore the box out, honestly I believe he was looking for payback from the elbow that caused him to bleed and leave the game a few minutes earlier and he tried to make it look like a box out. He should know he is under the microscope and can't do that. It was stupid and he hurt and embarrassed his team. But to call it assault is just being idiotic.

There is a rule in the rulebook and it was followed to the letter. He was ejected and there was no punch thrown, thus per NCAA rules he was eligible to play. Lots of players get flagrant twos and get ejected in this day and age. It happens. End of story.

UC's football team had a couple incidents over the season and each of them player was immediately put on leave until the details were figured out. We have aired on the side of caution.

If this had happened to a UC player during the NCAA, would we have put the player on hold. Don't know. The word altercation is hazy. Maybe there was a fight at a party and he was there or something. Maybe it will be bad. Who knows. Maybe the coaches talked to him and witnesses and felt comfortable with his story. We will see down the line. Its not my program, so I really don't care one way or the other.

If you walk up to someone on the street or at a party, wind up, look right at him and elbow him in the throat with a closed fist, that's assault (or battery, I guess, per BearcatJerry legal definitions are stupid, but check these out, Jerry http://abcnews.go.com/Sports/story?id=100318 , http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Violence_in...in_charges ) .

As far as suspensions, Sterling Gibbs got suspended 2 games for this: ( http://collegebasketballtalk.nbcsports.c...all-video/ ) which looks pretty similar to me.

It's hard to compare UC's reactions to Xavier's because with X not having a football team, there is a lot smaller pool of athletes to get in trouble. I don't remember another example of a X player getting in trouble off the court besides Dez Wells. Looks like Tappan and Lane were suspended after their incidents, but Payne and Williams played the next game, which fits the seriousness of their offenses, but I don't see any examples like OSU kicking Carlos Hyde off the tea m when they first heard about the allegations, and then reinstating him and changing it to a 3 game suspension after investigation.

Eggs has a history of players getting into trouble. Off the top of my head; Lloyd Price (armed robbery), Andre Smith (voluntary manslaughter/obstruction), Lavender (drunk disorderly/possesion drugs), Dedrick Finn (dog thief .. LMAO / drugs), James Posey (dui), Pete Sears (assault), Dewaun Rose (resisting arrest/disorderly conduct).

Lets just say I could personally name 3 that you've omitted. But upon the advice of Rath, I am not mixing the internet and real world and I will not be giving the names (btw it really was good sound advice...thanks Rath).

The Cult on the Parkway has a nice ring to it.

(03-24-2015 02:48 PM)Overrated Wrote:  

(03-24-2015 02:02 PM)ben-osu Wrote:  

(03-24-2015 12:56 PM)BcatMatt13 Wrote:  

(03-24-2015 12:41 PM)ben-osu Wrote:  

(03-24-2015 12:32 PM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  

Almost as if.....your school burries drug use and sexual assault....your school sweeps arrests by the private campus police under the carpet ...your school cooks the books to get a diploma in every hand....

But compared to the other school you root for, this is all child's play.

You have examples or evidence of any of this?
You're right though, at least Ellis paid for his tattoos. The horror!

The FBI literally investigated Xavier like 2 years ago for covering up a rape that occurred on campus.

A Title IX investigation for how they responded to allegations is nowhere near the same thing as actively covering up a rape, and the university was not found guilty of any wrongdoing.

They settled and "didn't admit any guilt" while agreeing to completely change procedure on campus. That is a huge difference. I hope you are smart enough to realize that.

Quit ruining his narrative with facts

(03-24-2015 03:04 PM)ben-osu Wrote:  

(03-24-2015 02:48 PM)Overrated Wrote:  

(03-24-2015 02:02 PM)ben-osu Wrote:  

(03-24-2015 12:56 PM)BcatMatt13 Wrote:  

(03-24-2015 12:41 PM)ben-osu Wrote:  You have examples or evidence of any of this?
You're right though, at least Ellis paid for his tattoos. The horror!

The FBI literally investigated Xavier like 2 years ago for covering up a rape that occurred on campus.

A Title IX investigation for how they responded to allegations is nowhere near the same thing as actively covering up a rape, and the university was not found guilty of any wrongdoing.

They settled and "didn't admit any guilt" while agreeing to completely change procedure on campus. That is a huge difference. I hope you are smart enough to realize that.

I'm not going to argue "guilt" vs "wrongdoing" but yes, they settled. and while I don't know to what extent their policies and procedures were changed, having bad or outdated policies is a far cry from actively covering up rapes. We can agree on this, right?

This was not about "outdated policies." They covered up rapes/sexual assaults. The perpetrators were still on campus. The issue was so egregious the US Government had to get involved. It happened.

(03-24-2015 01:20 PM)kellernr Wrote:  

(03-24-2015 01:01 PM)BearcatJerry Wrote:  

(03-24-2015 12:19 PM)ben-osu Wrote:  Double standard? It's almost like we aren't a week away from a UC player assaulting someone on national TV and playing 2 days later...

So, you're saying that a called foul in a Basketball game is equivalent with "battery"? (Assault is verbal, battery is physical.) That's a novel legal interpretation that NO prosecutor has taken up...even with far more egregious violations (ie. with a hockey player deliberately striking someone with a stick, or a pitcher deliberately throwing at the head...) Did we see Suh get arrested for his deliberate stomping on players in the NFL?

Not only that, it is curious because I am quite sure that we could find violations on the part of Ohio State players in all sports, who lost their composure and deliberately punched, kicked, or otherwise struck another player outside of the actual play taking place on the court or field. Perhaps the Columbus police should move to take those players into custody and the local DA prosecute them for their battery as well?

Oh, I forgot... The players and students at THE Ohio State University are blameless and as pure as the driven snow... It would be preposterous to raise questions about them, just the criminals at UC.

Its amusing seeing people complain about this. Wasn't Ellis dismissed from the team because of the brawl and then beating up a bouncer? Now he's back on the team and you're upset that X hasn't sent Reynolds packing for unknown(to the public) charges/reports?

If this was something extreme then he would be gone in a heartbeat. They expelled Wells and then came to find out he was innocent. Maybe they are waiting for all the facts this time.

I was responding to an OSU fan who implied that Ellis "assaulted someone on national TV" (meaning the flagrant foul against Purdue) and was "allowed to play 2 days later." My point was that a foul in a basketball game does NOT constitute battery. If you want to contend that a foul in a basketball game constitutes a CRIME, then you're going to have to apply that evenly.

Reading comprehension apparently is not a highly valued skill-set among Xavier fans.

PS... Ellis WAS dismissed from the team and then apparently did what was needed to remedy the situation. I would think that...in and of itself...would be worthy of praise. The kid was not readmitted without doing the necessary improvement to merit it. A less-courageous approach would have been to write him off without ever having a chance of improvement....which nobody would have faulted Mick for doing.

(03-24-2015 02:44 PM)BcatMatt13 Wrote:  

(03-24-2015 02:37 PM)bearcatmill Wrote:  Eggs has a history of players getting into trouble. Off the top of my head; Lloyd Price (armed robbery), Andre Smith (voluntary manslaughter/obstruction), Lavender (drunk disorderly/possesion drugs), Dedrick Finn (dog thief .. LMAO / drugs), James Posey (dui), Pete Sears (assault), Dewaun Rose (resisting arrest/disorderly conduct).

I'm pretty sure Drew Lavender was kicked out of Oklahoma for drugs and CJ Anderson was also kicked out of Manhattan...and Xavier welcomed them with open arms...

I don't see anything about Lavender getting kicked out of Oklahoma. CJ Anderson had academic problems. The only ones you listed that happened while they were still playing were Finn's dog "theft" and Sears/Rose & they were all suspended as a result.

(03-24-2015 03:18 PM)ben-osu Wrote:  

(03-24-2015 02:44 PM)BcatMatt13 Wrote:  

(03-24-2015 02:37 PM)bearcatmill Wrote:  Eggs has a history of players getting into trouble. Off the top of my head; Lloyd Price (armed robbery), Andre Smith (voluntary manslaughter/obstruction), Lavender (drunk disorderly/possesion drugs), Dedrick Finn (dog thief .. LMAO / drugs), James Posey (dui), Pete Sears (assault), Dewaun Rose (resisting arrest/disorderly conduct).

I'm pretty sure Drew Lavender was kicked out of Oklahoma for drugs and CJ Anderson was also kicked out of Manhattan...and Xavier welcomed them with open arms...

I don't see anything about Lavender getting kicked out of Oklahoma. CJ Anderson had academic problems. The only ones you listed that happened while they were still playing were Finn's dog "theft" and Sears/Rose & they were all suspended as a result.

He was "encouraged" to transfer by Kelvin Sampson after getting arrested for drugs and public intox.

(03-24-2015 03:10 PM)BearcatJerry Wrote:  

(03-24-2015 01:20 PM)kellernr Wrote:  

(03-24-2015 01:01 PM)BearcatJerry Wrote:  

(03-24-2015 12:19 PM)ben-osu Wrote:  Double standard? It's almost like we aren't a week away from a UC player assaulting someone on national TV and playing 2 days later...

So, you're saying that a called foul in a Basketball game is equivalent with "battery"? (Assault is verbal, battery is physical.) That's a novel legal interpretation that NO prosecutor has taken up...even with far more egregious violations (ie. with a hockey player deliberately striking someone with a stick, or a pitcher deliberately throwing at the head...) Did we see Suh get arrested for his deliberate stomping on players in the NFL?

Not only that, it is curious because I am quite sure that we could find violations on the part of Ohio State players in all sports, who lost their composure and deliberately punched, kicked, or otherwise struck another player outside of the actual play taking place on the court or field. Perhaps the Columbus police should move to take those players into custody and the local DA prosecute them for their battery as well?

Oh, I forgot... The players and students at THE Ohio State University are blameless and as pure as the driven snow... It would be preposterous to raise questions about them, just the criminals at UC.

Its amusing seeing people complain about this. Wasn't Ellis dismissed from the team because of the brawl and then beating up a bouncer? Now he's back on the team and you're upset that X hasn't sent Reynolds packing for unknown(to the public) charges/reports?

If this was something extreme then he would be gone in a heartbeat. They expelled Wells and then came to find out he was innocent. Maybe they are waiting for all the facts this time.

I was responding to an OSU fan who implied that Ellis "assaulted someone on national TV" (meaning the flagrant foul against Purdue) and was "allowed to play 2 days later." My point was that a foul in a basketball game does NOT constitute battery. If you want to contend that a foul in a basketball game constitutes a CRIME, then you're going to have to apply that evenly.

Reading comprehension apparently is not a highly valued skill-set among Xavier fans.

PS... Ellis WAS dismissed from the team and then apparently did what was needed to remedy the situation. I would think that...in and of itself...would be worthy of praise. The kid was not readmitted without doing the necessary improvement to merit it. A less-courageous approach would have been to write him off without ever having a chance of improvement....which nobody would have faulted Mick for doing.

I linked several examples of criminal assault/battery charges resulting from actions during sporting events, and there are many more.

(03-24-2015 03:04 PM)Murph29 Wrote:  Don't get me started on XU, cover ups and double standards. They wrote the book on hiding their dirty laundry. They have a nun run interference for their student athletes. Guys like Lenny Brown get masters degrees, they hand out academic honors like Halloween candy. And that's just the academic side. The basketball program is their crown jewel. Kevin Frey and TJ Johnson used to beat the crap out of girlfriends, smash up dorms, and act like inmate gang leaders and their rent a cops would just calm things down and be on their way. And the moron who compared a flagrant foul in a basketball game that resulted in immediate ejection to a possible criminal matter sounds like he has the intellectual power of Lenny Brown himself.

Funniest part of this latest crap is Mack saying "its a four to five week investigation." Someone should've asked him how exactly he knows that. What respectable law enforcement agency or impartial investigator would share with him the duration of an investigation. And four to five weeks is a long long time if it were a simple bar brawl, domestic situation, or anything short of a significant crime involving some sort of forensic tests. That "4-5 week comment" reeks of something very fishy.

I've heard a lot of similar stuff about many players from a number of different sources, but I definitely appreciated the part that is bolded most.

Some people are now reporting it was just a verbal argument. If that is the case, it seems like this particular incident was blown out of proportion, but I'm not sure why the university would be conducting a 4-5 week investigation. That doesn't make sense.

(03-24-2015 03:18 PM)ben-osu Wrote:  

(03-24-2015 02:44 PM)BcatMatt13 Wrote:  

(03-24-2015 02:37 PM)bearcatmill Wrote:  Eggs has a history of players getting into trouble. Off the top of my head; Lloyd Price (armed robbery), Andre Smith (voluntary manslaughter/obstruction), Lavender (drunk disorderly/possesion drugs), Dedrick Finn (dog thief .. LMAO / drugs), James Posey (dui), Pete Sears (assault), Dewaun Rose (resisting arrest/disorderly conduct).

I'm pretty sure Drew Lavender was kicked out of Oklahoma for drugs and CJ Anderson was also kicked out of Manhattan...and Xavier welcomed them with open arms...

I don't see anything about Lavender getting kicked out of Oklahoma. CJ Anderson had academic problems. The only ones you listed that happened while they were still playing were Finn's dog "theft" and Sears/Rose & they were all suspended as a result.

Around April, 2005 Lavender was involved in an incident regarding public intox and maryj possession. I am not sure if Sampson ran him or he left on his own. However, the same issues he had at Eggs.

(03-24-2015 03:34 PM)ben-osu Wrote:  

(03-24-2015 03:10 PM)BearcatJerry Wrote:  

(03-24-2015 01:20 PM)kellernr Wrote:  

(03-24-2015 01:01 PM)BearcatJerry Wrote:  

(03-24-2015 12:19 PM)ben-osu Wrote:  Double standard? It's almost like we aren't a week away from a UC player assaulting someone on national TV and playing 2 days later...

So, you're saying that a called foul in a Basketball game is equivalent with "battery"? (Assault is verbal, battery is physical.) That's a novel legal interpretation that NO prosecutor has taken up...even with far more egregious violations (ie. with a hockey player deliberately striking someone with a stick, or a pitcher deliberately throwing at the head...) Did we see Suh get arrested for his deliberate stomping on players in the NFL?

Not only that, it is curious because I am quite sure that we could find violations on the part of Ohio State players in all sports, who lost their composure and deliberately punched, kicked, or otherwise struck another player outside of the actual play taking place on the court or field. Perhaps the Columbus police should move to take those players into custody and the local DA prosecute them for their battery as well?

Oh, I forgot... The players and students at THE Ohio State University are blameless and as pure as the driven snow... It would be preposterous to raise questions about them, just the criminals at UC.

Its amusing seeing people complain about this. Wasn't Ellis dismissed from the team because of the brawl and then beating up a bouncer? Now he's back on the team and you're upset that X hasn't sent Reynolds packing for unknown(to the public) charges/reports?

If this was something extreme then he would be gone in a heartbeat. They expelled Wells and then came to find out he was innocent. Maybe they are waiting for all the facts this time.

I was responding to an OSU fan who implied that Ellis "assaulted someone on national TV" (meaning the flagrant foul against Purdue) and was "allowed to play 2 days later." My point was that a foul in a basketball game does NOT constitute battery. If you want to contend that a foul in a basketball game constitutes a CRIME, then you're going to have to apply that evenly.

Reading comprehension apparently is not a highly valued skill-set among Xavier fans.

PS... Ellis WAS dismissed from the team and then apparently did what was needed to remedy the situation. I would think that...in and of itself...would be worthy of praise. The kid was not readmitted without doing the necessary improvement to merit it. A less-courageous approach would have been to write him off without ever having a chance of improvement....which nobody would have faulted Mick for doing.

I linked several examples of criminal assault/battery charges resulting from actions during sporting events, and there are many more.

About ten years ago Ohio State linebacker Rob Reynolds wrapped his hands around the throat of a Wisconsin player and choked him.

Last year at the OSU-UC game OSU asst and former player Anthony Schlagel body slammed a fan who ran on the field.

I lived in Columbus for over 12 years- trust me there is all kinds of crap going on off the field up there. It just doesn't get reported down here.

Bottom line is that UC athletes are no more thuggish than athletes at other schools.

(03-24-2015 01:54 PM)ben-osu Wrote:  If you walk up to someone on the street or at a party, wind up, look right at him and elbow him in the throat with a closed fist, that's assault (or battery, I guess, per BearcatJerry legal definitions are stupid, but check these out, Jerry http://abcnews.go.com/Sports/story?id=100318 , http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Violence_in...in_charges ) .

As far as suspensions, Sterling Gibbs got suspended 2 games for this: ( http://collegebasketballtalk.nbcsports.c...all-video/ ) which looks pretty similar to me.

That Sterling Gibbs incident was not anywhere close to Ellis getting a little high with a forearm during a box out.

I really don't even understand why you are on this board. You are not a fan of UC, yet every post on CSN has been on the UC board. Th people here are going to defend their players and program, and nothing you say will change anyone's mind, just like nothing they say about X or OSU will change the way you think about them. This is going to go nowhere, so maybe you should just go somewhere else.

(03-24-2015 03:35 PM)bearcatmill Wrote:  

(03-24-2015 03:18 PM)ben-osu Wrote:  

(03-24-2015 02:44 PM)BcatMatt13 Wrote:  

(03-24-2015 02:37 PM)bearcatmill Wrote:  Eggs has a history of players getting into trouble. Off the top of my head; Lloyd Price (armed robbery), Andre Smith (voluntary manslaughter/obstruction), Lavender (drunk disorderly/possesion drugs), Dedrick Finn (dog thief .. LMAO / drugs), James Posey (dui), Pete Sears (assault), Dewaun Rose (resisting arrest/disorderly conduct).

I'm pretty sure Drew Lavender was kicked out of Oklahoma for drugs and CJ Anderson was also kicked out of Manhattan...and Xavier welcomed them with open arms...

I don't see anything about Lavender getting kicked out of Oklahoma. CJ Anderson had academic problems. The only ones you listed that happened while they were still playing were Finn's dog "theft" and Sears/Rose & they were all suspended as a result.

Around April, 2005 Lavender was involved in an incident regarding public intox and maryj possession. I am not sure if Sampson ran him or he left on his own. However, the same issues he had at Eggs.

I found the article about the arrest. It seems like it would be a really minor thing to kick someone off the team for, but I can see it.