There's a half dozen posters in here just like him that jump at every chance to trash this program and those the rest of us come in here to support.

He comes right out and says it! It's his perceived illigitamacy that attracts him to this sport and team. And is such a turn off to the rest of us

(03-23-2015 05:24 PM)Former Lurker Wrote:  The man is absolutely right. The whole enterprise of "revenue sports" athletics is rotten to the core, and all is takes is watching a few post game interviews to prove it. 8 out of 10 of these players on TV have no business in college, ours or anyone else's. They have the ACTs and SATs to prove it.

80% of them cannot speak using correct English or make a complete sentence. One of my favorites is the pronunciation of the word "asked" as "axed". For example "I axed my mother".

This is all schools including most that pretend to be very academic.

I have never attacked another poster...not once, which is more than can be said for some of you who are taking your potshots. For the reading comprehension challenged, I wasn't even criticizing UC, but making a point about "big-time" college athletics in general.

(03-23-2015 07:00 PM)dossbig Wrote:  

(03-23-2015 05:24 PM)Former Lurker Wrote:  The man is absolutely right. The whole enterprise of "revenue sports" athletics is rotten to the core, and all is takes is watching a few post game interviews to prove it. 8 out of 10 of these players on TV have no business in college, ours or anyone else's. They have the ACTs and SATs to prove it.

80% of them cannot speak using correct English or make a complete sentence. One of my favorites is the pronunciation of the word "asked" as "axed". For example "I axed my mother".

This is all schools including most that pretend to be very academic.

The illusion of big time amateur college athletics disappeared a long time ago.

Well according to your out logic 8 of the 10 players on the court at any one time during the UK game, don't belong there. Simple math says three of them at least must be UC players. That's simply being a hater.

The funny part is, axs any one of them and they could probably point out your double negative.

Thug is another term used by racists to replace the N word

(03-23-2015 07:06 PM)Former Lurker Wrote:  I have never attacked another poster...not once, which is more than can be said for some of you who are taking your potshots. For the reading comprehension challenged, I wasn't even criticizing UC, but making a point about "big-time" college athletics in general.

No, you just attacked 8 out of 10 of the players in college basketball, essentially on the basis of their accents and the grammar they use while being interviewed on national television. It's also funny you use Larry Bird as an example of a white moron basketball player, since he's often cited as one of the smartest players in NBA history, was a great coach, and built that Pacers team as the GM. But he does speak like a guy from rural Indiana.

His generalization regarding ask and axs is racist in and of itself.

(03-23-2015 07:08 PM)chatcat Wrote:  

(03-23-2015 07:00 PM)dossbig Wrote:  

(03-23-2015 05:24 PM)Former Lurker Wrote:  The man is absolutely right. The whole enterprise of "revenue sports" athletics is rotten to the core, and all is takes is watching a few post game interviews to prove it. 8 out of 10 of these players on TV have no business in college, ours or anyone else's. They have the ACTs and SATs to prove it.

80% of them cannot speak using correct English or make a complete sentence. One of my favorites is the pronunciation of the word "asked" as "axed". For example "I axed my mother".

This is all schools including most that pretend to be very academic.

The illusion of big time amateur college athletics disappeared a long time ago.

Is is not permitted to criticize the abandonment of standards, or argue for their restoration in some feeble form? And where are all the fine athletes who are "not college material," as we used to say? In every sport but baseball, they are wearing NCAA uniforms.

(03-23-2015 07:18 PM)payday Wrote:  His generalization regarding ask and axs is racist in and of itself.

But I was going to say that Jim Calhoun not pronouncing his "r"s makes him a moron!

(03-23-2015 07:17 PM)levydl Wrote:  

(03-23-2015 07:06 PM)Former Lurker Wrote:  I have never attacked another poster...not once, which is more than can be said for some of you who are taking your potshots. For the reading comprehension challenged, I wasn't even criticizing UC, but making a point about "big-time" college athletics in general.

No, you just attacked 8 out of 10 of the players in college basketball, essentially on the basis of their accents and the grammar they use while being interviewed on national television. It's also funny you use Larry Bird as an example of a white moron basketball player, since he's often cited as one of the smartest players in NBA history, was a great coach, and built that Pacers team as the GM. But he does speak like a guy from rural Indiana.

Is one's manner of speech (grammar and usage) not a proxy for educational attainment? Why do we have freshman English, if not to educate students how to write and speak?

I think the "image", real or perceived, is overrated. Look at Calipari, one of the biggest scumbags in the NCAA. Only coach in history to have a final four vacated from multiple schools.....yet he gets 3-5 all Americans a year. Bottom line is winning and playing on a big stage. The biggest thing holding us back from higher level recruiting is our dumpster of a conference and dated facilities, not so much the image.

(03-23-2015 07:29 PM)Kenyon#4 Wrote:  I think the "image", real or perceived, is overrated. Look at Calipari, one of the biggest scumbags in the NCAA. Only coach in history to have a final four vacated from multiple schools.....yet he gets 3-5 all Americans a year. Bottom line is winning and playing on a big stage. The biggest thing holding us back from higher level recruiting is our dumpster of a conference and dated facilities, not so much the image.

Could be the conference and facilities, but I think a bigger factor is lack of a concrete record of getting players to the NBA. Make no mistake, that is the name of the game.

(03-23-2015 07:33 PM)Former Lurker Wrote:  

(03-23-2015 07:29 PM)Kenyon#4 Wrote:  I think the "image", real or perceived, is overrated. Look at Calipari, one of the biggest scumbags in the NCAA. Only coach in history to have a final four vacated from multiple schools.....yet he gets 3-5 all Americans a year. Bottom line is winning and playing on a big stage. The biggest thing holding us back from higher level recruiting is our dumpster of a conference and dated facilities, not so much the image.

Could be the conference and facilities, but I think a bigger factor is lack of a concrete record of getting players to the NBA. Make no mistake, that is the name of the game.

Which leads back to the quality of recruit coming in.....hence conference, etc. If you're taking a bunch of 2-3 star players because that's all you get, your odds of turning them into draftees isn't very high.

(03-23-2015 05:39 PM)BearcatJerry Wrote:  

(03-23-2015 05:19 PM)colohank Wrote:  Mushnick may be an idiot, but highly publicized or widely viewed transgressions like the UC/Xavier brawl and Ellis's flagrant foul aren't helpful to our university's image.. Neither was Larry Davis's over-the-top defense of Ellis following his ejection from the Purdue game. They just serve to feed negative perceptions, whether entirely valid or not, that last a very long time.

The reason people mention UC and "thug" in the same sentence is because, over the years, there have been some conspicuous and very unfortunate examples of bad behavior on the part of our student athletes. And pointing to other kids and programs and saying they do it too isn't a very convincing justification for our own failings. We should be better than that. And we must be better than that to counter those negative perceptions.

Nobody called us thugs when Twyman played, or Oscar, or when we won our two national championships, so being bad-asses doesn't necessarily equate with success on the court.

Play hard, play with intensity, and play with emotion, but keep it clean.

Overall, I understand and I agree... BUT...

What's amazing is how half-truths and spin work to carry out a narrative. For example, the narrative that "UC's 'thuggish' behavior was on display during the UC-X brawl." The narrative has to ignore X's Tu Halloway publicly bragging "Zip-em up..." and making finger pistols in the post-game presser. The narrative has to ignore Kenny Freaze's goonish behavior throughout the game and in the minutes before the punch. The narrative has to ignore all the gang-sign throwing by the X players, the UC assistant coach's pregnant wife being assaulted, the blue paint being spattered on fans, and the unprovoked chant of "F*** UC" by the good Catholic schoolboys and girls. AND IT DOES. All the narrative tells is Yancey Gates hitting Kenny Freaze and the innocent Freaze's bloodied face. All the narrative tells is that the "dangerous and thuggish inner-city youth" somehow invaded the pristine environs of the Cintas Center ("who the hell let THEM in???") and then brawled because they lost the game. Oh, the humanity! Oh, the brute, pagan savages!

I am sick-to-death of apologizing for the damn brawl and worrying "how it made us look." Who suspended their starting players? Mick Cronin did. We paid our price for that brawl and I'm done apologizing for it. Let Xavier apologize for their genteel racism in acting like "those people" invaded their country-club campus. Let Xavier apologize and come to terms that they recruited gangsters like Halloway or thugs like Freaze merely to win games "for them" even though their behavior is directly at odds with their purported "religious values."

Huggins brought in kids who wouldn't have gotten a chance anywhere else. His APR and grad rates were low because he made good BB players out of them. Why is nobody worried how all those "one-and-dones" at Kentucky will reflect on their "university"? Or why is nobody worried how the academic scandal at North Carolina tarnishes their degrees? But here we sit and worry about how an ejection by a player "reflects" on UC... Well, the narrative will spin it how it will. Kicking Ellis off the team will not help, worrying about the past will not help...

Sick.
To.
Death.
of this crap.

I'm not advocating that Ellis be removed from the program. I'm just saying that actions have consequences, and when our guys act inappropriately, it reinforces a negative perception of our university which is apparently widely shared. Everyone involved in competitive sports at UC should be sensitive to that, and their behavior should reflect favorably on the university. So, let me put it this way: I'm not worried about the future; I'm worried about the future, and I think it would be a damned shame if those negative perceptions somehow stood in the way of an invitation for us to join a P5 conference.

Remember the day that Mardi Gilyard overran a play and flattened a youthful spectator in the stands? Things like that happen and, because it was unintentional, Mardi simply could have trotted back onto the playing field and nobody would have thought less of him for it. But Mardi chose instead to go back and inquire as to the well-being of the child and to embrace him briefly before returning to the game. It was a wonderful gesture, and I couldn't have been prouder of him or the university that day. I'm sure the TV audience thought it was great, as well.

That's the kind of conduct and character I'd like people to associate with our university.

2015 Pr_ck Inflammatory Writer of the Year Award Nominee

BAHHH!!! Please don't waste any time worrying about what this pr_ck writes. He's a scode "ambulance chaser" writer desperately seeking attention so he can try and keep his job. Check out this story on the douchebag:

Quote: New York Post columnist Phil Mushnick wrote a pretty idiotic column last week (part of which you can read below), in which he suggested Jay-Z should rename the Brooklyn Nets the "New York N-----s." Mushnick remains unapologetic -- since we reported on Mushnick's stupidity last week, he's hit us with a few scathing emails. The gist of his rants: we're ********, and he ain't no racist. His proof: he claims he outed the deceased, racist, Nazi-sympathizing former owner of the Cincinnati Reds, Marge Schott.

"I'm never comfortable using that word [n_gger]. That's the way I was raised. Shame on my parents," a sarcastic Mushnick writes. "The ONE time I spelled it out - for accuracy - I was widely condemned as a racist. So either way, I'm a bigot. I know what's in my heart and my head, the way I was raised, and the way I raised my kids. But you've painted me a racist. Good work, James. And good work, if you can get it."

As we pointed out to Mushnick, we never called him a racist -- not once. We don't know the guy and won't speculate on his racial sympathies. What we do know is that he used the word "n-----s" in a column, which is an incredibly stupid, insensitive things to do -- regardless of the context, or the race of the person using the word.

http://blogs.villagevoice.com/runninscar...ck_o_1.php

I've lived in North Carolina for the past 11 years and not once have I read or heard anything about Cincinnati being a thug school, thug players, Bob Thuggins, dirty program, lack of control over players, etc., etc. People down here are too busy slinging trash about other ACC schools especially between Duke, UNC and NC State. Anyone remember when Tyler Hansbrough a few years back took an elbow to the face from Duke's Gerald Henderson? Duke and Coach K took a beating down here in popular opinion and in the media.


http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/columns/story?id=2787890

Long story short...don't sweat a gonzo "journalist" like Mushnick. Now if Bob Costas does a story then you can start to be concerned.