This post is STR in this vein; I believe that the schools commonly known as P5 are increasingly attempting to separate themselves from the remaining D1 schools in basketball and other sports.

I've mentioned here before that the influx of cash - driven primarily by TV$ / football - will have an impact on other sports as well.

Thus, the old axiom of "$ only pertains to football" is no longer valid. Football drives the dollars bus, yes....but when those dollars are received schools are also spending in other sports as well.

Why? Because
- they can, and
- they need to improve product in other sports to make their respective Sports Networks more viable via additional programming.

While no coaching hire is a Guaranteed Success, look at some of the names the $EC has hired in the last ~5 years:

- Cal at Ken$ucky
- Mike Anderson at Arkansas
- Frank Martin at USC
- Pearl at Auburn
- Howland (?) at Mississippi St.

Sure, there are other hirings that are still in question, Donnie at TN, Johnny Jones at LSU (actually I think he's gonna be REAL good there).

Overall, I think with E$PiN driving the $$$ bus, and giving $EC Major Props during hoops broadcasts for "how tough their conference is" (how many times did announcers say this?) there will be increasing pressure for other schools to up their ante on hiring good coaches from a salary perspective.

Long-story-short: the P5 schools are ramping things up so that G5 schools will have a difficult time keeping up, even in non-football sports. They'll be able to offer a staff at least $1M more annually than a Wichita State, or Georgetown, or MEMPHIS can pay. In addition to salaries, you'll see state-of-the-art arenas, practice facilities, recruiting tools, etc.

Memphis must do whatever it takes to get in the B12. (Capt. Obvious statement, I know...) It's not just about the best home for basketball, or keeping a great football coach, or recruiting on a reasonable playing field.....it's about survival as a Major player in collegiate sports, period.

Lastly, and this will be difficult for some (including me!) we have to be more supportive of our conference mates. The solidarity shown in the $EC (one of Slive's greatest achievements, BTW) is outstanding. The BiG is similiar in that regard. They support conference mates when their own team isn't playing. (EX: Darn near every BiG fan was pulling for tOSU in the football playoff, because a win for tOSU was a win for the Conference...everyone except Michigan fans, I don't think they could stomach supporting tOSU in anything.)

So when WVU plays in the Liberty Bowl against an $EC school, we need to show up and cheer for WVU...let the B12 see the "Memphis love" and how much more would occur if we were actually a member.
OR, when SUM is playing UCONN, don't watch Florida vs. Ken$ucky.

Why watch or cheer for an $EC school that only seeks to rob us of talent and opportunity???

Again, sorry for the L-O-N-G post...just wanted to get my thoughts out there.

Your thoughts?

part of this is ensuring our basketball program doesn't go down the crapper. replacing pastner with a quality coach should be a high priority.

The way the ncaa tournament committee picked and seeded should tell you all you need to know.

(03-23-2015 11:33 AM)tiger-viper Wrote:  part of this is ensuring our basketball program doesn't go down the crapper. replacing pastner with a quality coach should be a high priority.

Keep dreaming because he is going to still be here next season

(03-23-2015 11:35 AM)Brother Bluto Wrote:  The way the ncaa tournament committee picked and seeded should tell you all you need to know.

tru dat

You missed my point, and you're trying to make this about CJP.

It's NOT. It's about conference affiliation, TV dollars, and the changing landscape.

Example: Compare Rutgers and Cincinnati. Which sports programs have been the best over the last 10 years? Cincy hands down. Not even close. But who got invited to the BiG? RUTGERS. Because they brought eyeballs which affects TV dollars which drove their conference affiliation.

I know people aren't happy with CJP right now; but not EVERY post and EVERY thing has to do with the performance of his teams....stop making it seem that way.

+3 for the OP. Spot on!

(03-23-2015 11:36 AM)Merrick Wrote:  You missed my point, and you're trying to make this about CJP.

It's NOT. It's about conference affiliation, TV dollars, and the changing landscape.

Example: Compare Rutgers and Cincinnati. Which sports programs have been the best over the last 10 years? Cincy hands down. Not even close. But who got invited to the BiG? RUTGERS. Because they brought eyeballs which affects TV dollars which drove their conference affiliation.

I know people aren't happy with CJP right now; but not EVERY post and EVERY thing has to do with the performance of his teams....stop making it seem that way.

This. and further, Basketball and realignment is a one way street. Realignment can help basketball, but basketball can't help realignment.

(03-23-2015 11:36 AM)Merrick Wrote:  You missed my point, and you're trying to make this about CJP.

It's NOT. It's about conference affiliation, TV dollars, and the changing landscape.

Example: Compare Rutgers and Cincinnati. Which sports programs have been the best over the last 10 years? Cincy hands down. Not even close. But who got invited to the BiG? RUTGERS. Because they brought eyeballs which affects TV dollars which drove their conference affiliation.

I know people aren't happy with CJP right now; but not EVERY post and EVERY thing has to do with the performance of his teams....stop making it seem that way.

Wichita St seems to have no problem. They just destroyed their instate juggernaut. Everything is coach related at this point in time. Especially with the deck being stacked against us.

(03-23-2015 11:39 AM)Brother Bluto Wrote:  

(03-23-2015 11:36 AM)Merrick Wrote:  You missed my point, and you're trying to make this about CJP.

It's NOT. It's about conference affiliation, TV dollars, and the changing landscape.

Example: Compare Rutgers and Cincinnati. Which sports programs have been the best over the last 10 years? Cincy hands down. Not even close. But who got invited to the BiG? RUTGERS. Because they brought eyeballs which affects TV dollars which drove their conference affiliation.

I know people aren't happy with CJP right now; but not EVERY post and EVERY thing has to do with the performance of his teams....stop making it seem that way.

Wichita St seems to have no problem. They just destroyed their instate juggernaut. Everything is coach related at this point in time. Especially with the deck being stacked against us.

OMG let it go for one day

the money is there to make a change in basketball, and folks are willing to pony up. bowen needs to realize basketball boosters aren't going to drop a dime on football, so he might as well take their money and use it find us a good coach.

(03-23-2015 11:47 AM)tiger-viper Wrote:  the money is there to make a change in basketball, and folks are willing to pony up. bowen needs to realize basketball boosters aren't going to drop a dime on football, so he might as well take their money and use it find us a good coach.

WRONG.

Boosters will up the ante for football; the school has never given them a reason to do so.

This past year, the Tigers has shown people what can happen with the right resources and support.

The problem isn't Bowen.

(03-23-2015 11:33 AM)tiger-viper Wrote:  part of this is ensuring our basketball program doesn't go down the crapper. replacing pastner with a quality coach should be a high priority.

We already have a quality head coach.

This might help you (you're welcome in advance):
http://www.dummies.com/how-to/content/ba...sheet.html

(03-23-2015 11:39 AM)Brother Bluto Wrote:  

(03-23-2015 11:36 AM)Merrick Wrote:  You missed my point, and you're trying to make this about CJP.

It's NOT. It's about conference affiliation, TV dollars, and the changing landscape.

Example: Compare Rutgers and Cincinnati. Which sports programs have been the best over the last 10 years? Cincy hands down. Not even close. But who got invited to the BiG? RUTGERS. Because they brought eyeballs which affects TV dollars which drove their conference affiliation.

I know people aren't happy with CJP right now; but not EVERY post and EVERY thing has to do with the performance of his teams....stop making it seem that way.

Wichita St seems to have no problem. They just destroyed their instate juggernaut. Everything is coach related at this point in time. Especially with the deck being stacked against us.

Bluto, I know you have sources so I'm surprised that you've driven this comparison.

Let me help:

- WSU does not have football expenditures as they don't have a team.
- WSU is on a good run right now, but they will never be considered for a P5 invite.
- WSU's win over Kansas with the first since 1987.
- WSU may soon lose their coach; and while the fanatical base they have will continue to support the team, their success is more "coach-based" than "program-based".

Memphis is more "program-based" in that we've seen success under multiple coaches and decades. We have a ripe recruiting base that will help sustain through down years. WSU doesn't have those things to the same level.

Their current team is better, yes. But long-term I believe Memphis to be in a MUCH better position.

(03-23-2015 11:42 AM)Ramen_Tiger Wrote:  

(03-23-2015 11:39 AM)Brother Bluto Wrote:  

(03-23-2015 11:36 AM)Merrick Wrote:  You missed my point, and you're trying to make this about CJP.

It's NOT. It's about conference affiliation, TV dollars, and the changing landscape.

Example: Compare Rutgers and Cincinnati. Which sports programs have been the best over the last 10 years? Cincy hands down. Not even close. But who got invited to the BiG? RUTGERS. Because they brought eyeballs which affects TV dollars which drove their conference affiliation.

I know people aren't happy with CJP right now; but not EVERY post and EVERY thing has to do with the performance of his teams....stop making it seem that way.

Wichita St seems to have no problem. They just destroyed their instate juggernaut. Everything is coach related at this point in time. Especially with the deck being stacked against us.

OMG let it go for one day

But it's true.

(03-23-2015 11:53 AM)Willie Becton Wrote:  

(03-23-2015 11:33 AM)tiger-viper Wrote:  part of this is ensuring our basketball program doesn't go down the crapper. replacing pastner with a quality coach should be a high priority.

We already have a quality head coach.

This might help you (you're welcome in advance):
http://www.dummies.com/how-to/content/ba...sheet.html

yes, we do. his name is justin fuente. i'm talking about a quality basketball coach.

(03-23-2015 11:58 AM)macphil30 Wrote:  

(03-23-2015 11:42 AM)Ramen_Tiger Wrote:  

(03-23-2015 11:39 AM)Brother Bluto Wrote:  

(03-23-2015 11:36 AM)Merrick Wrote:  You missed my point, and you're trying to make this about CJP.

It's NOT. It's about conference affiliation, TV dollars, and the changing landscape.

Example: Compare Rutgers and Cincinnati. Which sports programs have been the best over the last 10 years? Cincy hands down. Not even close. But who got invited to the BiG? RUTGERS. Because they brought eyeballs which affects TV dollars which drove their conference affiliation.

I know people aren't happy with CJP right now; but not EVERY post and EVERY thing has to do with the performance of his teams....stop making it seem that way.

Wichita St seems to have no problem. They just destroyed their instate juggernaut. Everything is coach related at this point in time. Especially with the deck being stacked against us.

OMG let it go for one day

But it's true.

Not every thread about basketball has to be about Pastner.

(03-23-2015 11:42 AM)Ramen_Tiger Wrote:  

(03-23-2015 11:39 AM)Brother Bluto Wrote:  

(03-23-2015 11:36 AM)Merrick Wrote:  You missed my point, and you're trying to make this about CJP.

It's NOT. It's about conference affiliation, TV dollars, and the changing landscape.

Example: Compare Rutgers and Cincinnati. Which sports programs have been the best over the last 10 years? Cincy hands down. Not even close. But who got invited to the BiG? RUTGERS. Because they brought eyeballs which affects TV dollars which drove their conference affiliation.

I know people aren't happy with CJP right now; but not EVERY post and EVERY thing has to do with the performance of his teams....stop making it seem that way.

Wichita St seems to have no problem. They just destroyed their instate juggernaut. Everything is coach related at this point in time. Especially with the deck being stacked against us.

OMG let it go for one day

(03-23-2015 11:47 AM)tiger-viper Wrote:  the money is there to make a change in basketball, and folks are willing to pony up. bowen needs to realize basketball boosters aren't going to drop a dime on football, so he might as well take their money and use it find us a good coach.

The Boosters are well aware of what is happening. We have been down the basketball road, and got left at the alter. Not going to make the same mistake twice. A lot of things matter to other conferences. Basketball is not one of them.