I'm putting this into its own thread so the game thread for Ga State doesn't get cluttered with this discussion.

(03-20-2015 09:12 AM)epiccajun Wrote:  

(03-20-2015 09:09 AM)NCeagle Wrote:  and yet, not 1 more person will care any more about the sun belt, or think that the sun belt is any better of a conference. my comments are about perception of our league, which means just as much as winning money, which I am glad they are doing for us. Until the sun belt is perceived as a better league, we still will not be able to demand more tv games nor will we garner any national attention during the regular season.

Ga State has done its job. Now the rest of the belt needs to step up to really make a difference.

So you think possible additional marketing funds, or distributions for buying P5 games, or additional funding for helping teams get possible bowl bids, does not help the perception of the conference?

15, 17, 21, 26, 19, 18, 20.

the 15 was the conference ranking when WKU made a sweet 16 run. 3 years later Sun Belt was down to 26, and then made it back up to 20 last year.

So tell me if the money from that sweet 16 run WKU has helped the entire conference gain prestige. Until we start putting 2 teams into the tournament, 1 team having a good showing will not increase recognition and perception of the sun belt. What this win, and wins if state keeps going could do, is increase their case for CUSA.

(03-20-2015 10:35 AM)NCeagle Wrote:  I'm putting this into its own thread so the game thread for Ga State doesn't get cluttered with this discussion.

(03-20-2015 09:12 AM)epiccajun Wrote:  

(03-20-2015 09:09 AM)NCeagle Wrote:  and yet, not 1 more person will care any more about the sun belt, or think that the sun belt is any better of a conference. my comments are about perception of our league, which means just as much as winning money, which I am glad they are doing for us. Until the sun belt is perceived as a better league, we still will not be able to demand more tv games nor will we garner any national attention during the regular season.

Ga State has done its job. Now the rest of the belt needs to step up to really make a difference.

So you think possible additional marketing funds, or distributions for buying P5 games, or additional funding for helping teams get possible bowl bids, does not help the perception of the conference?

15, 17, 21, 26, 19, 18, 20.

the 15 was the conference ranking when WKU made a sweet 16 run. 3 years later Sun Belt was down to 26, and then made it back up to 20 last year.

So tell me if the money from that sweet 16 run WKU has helped the entire conference gain prestige. Until we start putting 2 teams into the tournament, 1 team having a good showing will not increase recognition and perception of the sun belt. What this win, and wins if state keeps going could do, is increase their case for CUSA.

Perception is not built overnight so GSU winning yesterday is just one step of many. Congrats again to the Panthers now go out there and win another!

For what it is worth, I would trade GaSt for UAb.

What it is going to take is for SBC teams to consistently win tourny games. Give it two weeks and no one will remember who the upset teams were, just that there were upsets. We get two teams in, and both make a run to the sweet 16, and we do that for multiple years, atleast more years then not, then we have something. Until then, we are who they think we are.

(03-20-2015 10:42 AM)Usajags Wrote:  For what it is worth, I would trade GaSt for UAb.

What it is going to take is for SBC teams to consistently win tourny games. Give it two weeks and no one will remember who the upset teams were, just that there were upsets. We get two teams in, and both make a run to the sweet 16, and we do that for multiple years, atleast more years then not, then we have something. Until then, we are who they think we are.

thank you. Clips of the 3 pointers, and hunter falling off his rocker, will get showed in highlights and clips for a long time. Nobody will associate that with "man, the sun belt is moving on up"

(03-20-2015 10:39 AM)Georgia_Power_Company Wrote:  

(03-20-2015 10:35 AM)NCeagle Wrote:  I'm putting this into its own thread so the game thread for Ga State doesn't get cluttered with this discussion.

(03-20-2015 09:12 AM)epiccajun Wrote:  

(03-20-2015 09:09 AM)NCeagle Wrote:  and yet, not 1 more person will care any more about the sun belt, or think that the sun belt is any better of a conference. my comments are about perception of our league, which means just as much as winning money, which I am glad they are doing for us. Until the sun belt is perceived as a better league, we still will not be able to demand more tv games nor will we garner any national attention during the regular season.

Ga State has done its job. Now the rest of the belt needs to step up to really make a difference.

So you think possible additional marketing funds, or distributions for buying P5 games, or additional funding for helping teams get possible bowl bids, does not help the perception of the conference?

15, 17, 21, 26, 19, 18, 20.

the 15 was the conference ranking when WKU made a sweet 16 run. 3 years later Sun Belt was down to 26, and then made it back up to 20 last year.

So tell me if the money from that sweet 16 run WKU has helped the entire conference gain prestige. Until we start putting 2 teams into the tournament, 1 team having a good showing will not increase recognition and perception of the sun belt. What this win, and wins if state keeps going could do, is increase their case for CUSA.

Perception is not built overnight so GSU winning yesterday is just one step of many. Congrats again to the Panthers now go out there and win another!

also my point. The win by itself does nothing. This happening over and over again will.

$280,000 split 11 ways is bumpkus in money with no impact.

(03-20-2015 10:46 AM)NCeagle Wrote:  also my point. The win by itself does nothing. This happening over and over again will.

It has to happen once before it can happen multiple times.

Regardless of how big or small the impact is it is still a positive for the conference.

Nice win Georgia State. Beat Xavier.

(03-20-2015 10:52 AM)arkstfan Wrote:  $280,000 split 11 ways is bumpkus in money with no impact.

wait.... that's what the conference gets each year for the next 6 years for the 1 win?

Unless they go deep it and sustain it multiple years, it will have little impact.

Yesterday afternoon, Austin sports talk focused most of its talk on the Longhorn loss but they also took time to take jabs at Baylor.

The Horn, who does the Coach Fran show and interviews all of our coaches during their regular seasons, AND broadcast all of our games on their AM affiliate said, "Baylor got upset by something called Georgia State."

We've had multiple contests against the Panthers (including a nationally televised game on ESPN2) and our local media partners couldnt have picked them out of a line up of A10, SoCon, or CUSA schools.

I'm not saying they have to be knowledgeable on the team, but given we are a local team that they cover and this is a "home" media market for a SBC school..they could have made a connection back to Texas State and the Sun Belt.

Maybe if they go deep, their name will be remembered like VCU and it will give them something to talk about with our coaches as they briefly glance over our schedule before the phone interviews

(03-20-2015 10:35 AM)NCeagle Wrote:  I'm putting this into its own thread so the game thread for Ga State doesn't get cluttered with this discussion.

(03-20-2015 09:12 AM)epiccajun Wrote:  

(03-20-2015 09:09 AM)NCeagle Wrote:  and yet, not 1 more person will care any more about the sun belt, or think that the sun belt is any better of a conference. my comments are about perception of our league, which means just as much as winning money, which I am glad they are doing for us. Until the sun belt is perceived as a better league, we still will not be able to demand more tv games nor will we garner any national attention during the regular season.

Ga State has done its job. Now the rest of the belt needs to step up to really make a difference.

So you think possible additional marketing funds, or distributions for buying P5 games, or additional funding for helping teams get possible bowl bids, does not help the perception of the conference?

15, 17, 21, 26, 19, 18, 20.

the 15 was the conference ranking when WKU made a sweet 16 run. 3 years later Sun Belt was down to 26, and then made it back up to 20 last year.

So tell me if the money from that sweet 16 run WKU has helped the entire conference gain prestige. Until we start putting 2 teams into the tournament, 1 team having a good showing will not increase recognition and perception of the sun belt. What this win, and wins if state keeps going could do, is increase their case for CUSA.

15 was the year that USA also earned an at-large bid. The conference needs multiple teams performing at high levels again.

The impact, pro/con, positive, negative, neutral can be debated til the cows come home . . . . . (and probably will be). .. .
The fact remains, you have to start somewhere, and this is a start.
Congrats Panthers . . . .

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(03-20-2015 10:42 AM)Usajags Wrote:  What it is going to take is for SBC teams to consistently win tourny games. Give it two weeks and no one will remember who the upset teams were, just that there were upsets.

I agree. Unless we happened to be the first 16 to beat a 1. The main impact it will have is on the future pocketbooks of the Hunters.

Agreed you got start somewhere. In five years we may look back at this as being the beginning, or it will just be a blip on the GaSt history line. Time will tell how important this win was, can't win the second one without winning the first one.

Yesterday and today it is a big deal, tomorrow is a new day, and we need another win.

(03-20-2015 11:06 AM)AtlantaJag Wrote:  

(03-20-2015 10:35 AM)NCeagle Wrote:  I'm putting this into its own thread so the game thread for Ga State doesn't get cluttered with this discussion.

(03-20-2015 09:12 AM)epiccajun Wrote:  

(03-20-2015 09:09 AM)NCeagle Wrote:  and yet, not 1 more person will care any more about the sun belt, or think that the sun belt is any better of a conference. my comments are about perception of our league, which means just as much as winning money, which I am glad they are doing for us. Until the sun belt is perceived as a better league, we still will not be able to demand more tv games nor will we garner any national attention during the regular season.

Ga State has done its job. Now the rest of the belt needs to step up to really make a difference.

So you think possible additional marketing funds, or distributions for buying P5 games, or additional funding for helping teams get possible bowl bids, does not help the perception of the conference?

15, 17, 21, 26, 19, 18, 20.

the 15 was the conference ranking when WKU made a sweet 16 run. 3 years later Sun Belt was down to 26, and then made it back up to 20 last year.

So tell me if the money from that sweet 16 run WKU has helped the entire conference gain prestige. Until we start putting 2 teams into the tournament, 1 team having a good showing will not increase recognition and perception of the sun belt. What this win, and wins if state keeps going could do, is increase their case for CUSA.

15 was the year that USA also earned an at-large bid. The conference needs multiple teams performing at high levels again.

Agree completely. But the fact that the NCAA tournament will still favor a mediocre P5 team vs a good G5 team is disappointing. Which is why the additional tournaments are still important (NIT, CBI, CIT). We need our teams in those to win as well. While that won't bring NCAA units to the conference, winning there against other good mid-major programs can positively impact the overall perception of the conference.

Front page of the Wall Street Journal doesn't hurt.

The green-eyed monster lives in the 'boro today boys, congrats GA St.

As other posters have been saying, it's all about building a foundation brick by brick. I don't think anyone believes that conference perception greatly changes with a single victory, but it is a step. The A-Sun put a team in the Sweet 16, then had Mercer upset Duke, which did give the conference a little push because you inevitably have commentators saying things like, "Well, this is the league that put FGCU in the Sweet 16, so Duke should have known not to underestimate the Bears."

Even how those bricks are put together can depend on a lot of factors that happen later. The CAA was a multibid league that had two Final Four teams in a short span. Now both of those teams (and ODU, and us, although I don't think many folks target the loss of GSU as a factor in the demise of CAA basketball) are gone to other conferences, and the CAA is about where we are.

Is our win a huge deal for the league? No. Is it potentially part of a process? Yes. As has been hinted at, if you're going to say that this win does absolutely nothing for the conference, then you also have to concede that a blowout loss would have done absolutely nothing to set the conference back in perception. I don't believe that either of those are true, as they're part of a bigger picture.

(03-20-2015 11:20 AM)Usajags Wrote:  Agreed you got start somewhere. In five years we may look back at this as being the beginning, or it will just be a blip on the GaSt history line. Time will tell how important this win was, can't win the second one without winning the first one.

Yesterday and today it is a big deal, tomorrow is a new day, and we need another win.

It's all about where they go from here.

If we'd beat UF and laid an egg this past season, then we'd be seen as a fluke. Instead, we SHOULD have beaten 2 ACC teams, went 8-0 in our conference, and made some real noise. We've been getting nothing but respect for what we've accomplished. However, even we still need to keep pushing ourselves....we can't really ever let up or we risk losing everything we've earned.

Everyone needs that catalyst to start. But you've got to build off of it from there. It's a good win for Gast for sure, but now the real work of making a name for themselves that lives on is about to begin.

Who knows if GSU makes a deep run in the tournament it may set off a basketball arms race in the Belt making all of us better...