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(03-18-2015 10:18 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  The message is clear coming from both Stull and Floyd. A 20 win season is a successful one regardless of whether they make the tourney or not. They are stuck in the 80s.
Sounds like a good portion of our fans.
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(03-19-2015 01:13 AM)RUNVSFD MINER Wrote:  
(03-18-2015 10:18 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  The message is clear coming from both Stull and Floyd. A 20 win season is a successful one regardless of whether they make the tourney or not. They are stuck in the 80s.

Am I the only one sick of this crap?

Intent behind the threads is as obvious as the horrible spelling (for a high school teacher).

I guess personal attacks are fair game here.
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I know a guy who's a scout and part owner of a euro team. He came over to watch Hunter. He's trying to get him to go to Europen, work on his game and from there if he develops, get into the League. He was very high on him, but said he isn't ready for the NBA yet.
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(03-19-2015 08:20 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  
(03-19-2015 01:13 AM)RUNVSFD MINER Wrote:  
(03-18-2015 10:18 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  The message is clear coming from both Stull and Floyd. A 20 win season is a successful one regardless of whether they make the tourney or not. They are stuck in the 80s.

Am I the only one sick of this crap?

Intent behind the threads is as obvious as the horrible spelling (for a high school teacher).

I guess personal attacks are fair game here.

Actually Run is spot on. Your running in here to breathlessly post each update and fuel your Floyd/UTEP dislike is obvious. Everyone else on the thread is discussing it but not rushing to post each utterance they can find.

And Stull's interview sounded more like he knows it's tougher to win vs a difficult schedule and that he appreciates that and believes Floyd will lead the Miners to the NCAA and win when there. That's quite different from saying 20 wins is enough to be considered successful.
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(03-19-2015 10:31 AM)MinerInWisconsin Wrote:  
(03-19-2015 08:20 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  
(03-19-2015 01:13 AM)RUNVSFD MINER Wrote:  
(03-18-2015 10:18 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  The message is clear coming from both Stull and Floyd. A 20 win season is a successful one regardless of whether they make the tourney or not. They are stuck in the 80s.

Am I the only one sick of this crap?

Intent behind the threads is as obvious as the horrible spelling (for a high school teacher).

I guess personal attacks are fair game here.

Actually Run is spot on. Your running in here to breathlessly post each update and fuel your Floyd/UTEP dislike is obvious. Everyone else on the thread is discussing it but not rushing to post each utterance they can find.

And Stull's interview sounded more like he knows it's tougher to win vs a difficult schedule and that he appreciates that and believes Floyd will lead the Miners to the NCAA and win when there. That's quite different from saying 20 wins is enough to be considered successful.

1. I was posting as the story was still developing. I figured someone out there would be interested to hear about it. It's no different then when people post play by play during a ball game.

2. You can spin Stull's inteview however you want. What he said was almost an exact quote. I just didn't put quotations because I knew that one of you would nit pick that as well.

3. I've never hid the fact that I dislike Floyd as the coach of UTEP.


Stull however tipped his hand in that interview yesterday. He made it very clear that the season ticket holders want Floyd there, they are happy to see them win games at home, and that they are the only one's who matter when it comes to gaging success.

Kappy called him out on it and asked him point blank. Shouldn't the NCAA tournament be a priority?

Stull said.

An NCAA tournament bid is not a realistic priority.
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(03-19-2015 12:37 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  
(03-19-2015 10:31 AM)MinerInWisconsin Wrote:  
(03-19-2015 08:20 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  
(03-19-2015 01:13 AM)RUNVSFD MINER Wrote:  
(03-18-2015 10:18 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  The message is clear coming from both Stull and Floyd. A 20 win season is a successful one regardless of whether they make the tourney or not. They are stuck in the 80s.

Am I the only one sick of this crap?

Intent behind the threads is as obvious as the horrible spelling (for a high school teacher).

I guess personal attacks are fair game here.

Actually Run is spot on. Your running in here to breathlessly post each update and fuel your Floyd/UTEP dislike is obvious. Everyone else on the thread is discussing it but not rushing to post each utterance they can find.

And Stull's interview sounded more like he knows it's tougher to win vs a difficult schedule and that he appreciates that and believes Floyd will lead the Miners to the NCAA and win when there. That's quite different from saying 20 wins is enough to be considered successful.

1. I was posting as the story was still developing. I figured someone out there would be interested to hear about it. It's no different then when people post play by play during a ball game.

2. You can spin Stull's inteview however you want. What he said was almost an exact quote. I just didn't put quotations because I knew that one of you would nit pick that as well.

3. I've never hid the fact that I dislike Floyd as the coach of UTEP.


Stull however tipped his hand in that interview yesterday. He made it very clear that the season ticket holders want Floyd there, they are happy to see them win games at home, and that they are the only one's who matter when it comes to gaging success.

Kappy called him out on it and asked him point blank. Shouldn't the NCAA tournament be a priority?

Stull said.

An NCAA tournament bid is not a realistic priority.

MIW is correct, you are the one spinning the interview. But hey, let's let others make up their own mind. Here is the interview, Please tell me if Stull is saying that " A 20 win season is a successful one regardless of whether they make the tourney or not." Stull Interview Relevant part starts around 8:25 mark.
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(03-19-2015 10:44 PM)MondoMiner Wrote:  
(03-19-2015 12:37 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  
(03-19-2015 10:31 AM)MinerInWisconsin Wrote:  
(03-19-2015 08:20 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  
(03-19-2015 01:13 AM)RUNVSFD MINER Wrote:  Am I the only one sick of this crap?

Intent behind the threads is as obvious as the horrible spelling (for a high school teacher).

I guess personal attacks are fair game here.

Actually Run is spot on. Your running in here to breathlessly post each update and fuel your Floyd/UTEP dislike is obvious. Everyone else on the thread is discussing it but not rushing to post each utterance they can find.

And Stull's interview sounded more like he knows it's tougher to win vs a difficult schedule and that he appreciates that and believes Floyd will lead the Miners to the NCAA and win when there. That's quite different from saying 20 wins is enough to be considered successful.

1. I was posting as the story was still developing. I figured someone out there would be interested to hear about it. It's no different then when people post play by play during a ball game.

2. You can spin Stull's inteview however you want. What he said was almost an exact quote. I just didn't put quotations because I knew that one of you would nit pick that as well.

3. I've never hid the fact that I dislike Floyd as the coach of UTEP.


Stull however tipped his hand in that interview yesterday. He made it very clear that the season ticket holders want Floyd there, they are happy to see them win games at home, and that they are the only one's who matter when it comes to gaging success.

Kappy called him out on it and asked him point blank. Shouldn't the NCAA tournament be a priority?

Stull said.

An NCAA tournament bid is not a realistic priority.

MIW is correct, you are the one spinning the interview. But hey, let's let others make up their own mind. Here is the interview, Please tell me if Stull is saying that " A 20 win season is a successful one regardless of whether they make the tourney or not." Stull Interview Relevant part starts around 8:25 mark.

Thanks for posting that. Absolutely people should make up their own minds about what Stull said.

FYI

The relevant question and answer comes at about the 9:15 mark.

Steve Kaplowits asks: It's been 5 yrs. when do you say you can't keep waiting for an NCAA tournament bid.

Bob Stull says: It's not the only criteria we a looking for. Floyd could easily win 26 or 27 games like Doc and Billy did. What he is doing for our season ticket holders is bringing in good teams like Arizona, Washington St. Colorado St. 20+ wins is a good team.
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(03-20-2015 12:29 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  
(03-19-2015 10:44 PM)MondoMiner Wrote:  
(03-19-2015 12:37 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  
(03-19-2015 10:31 AM)MinerInWisconsin Wrote:  
(03-19-2015 08:20 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  I guess personal attacks are fair game here.

Actually Run is spot on. Your running in here to breathlessly post each update and fuel your Floyd/UTEP dislike is obvious. Everyone else on the thread is discussing it but not rushing to post each utterance they can find.

And Stull's interview sounded more like he knows it's tougher to win vs a difficult schedule and that he appreciates that and believes Floyd will lead the Miners to the NCAA and win when there. That's quite different from saying 20 wins is enough to be considered successful.

1. I was posting as the story was still developing. I figured someone out there would be interested to hear about it. It's no different then when people post play by play during a ball game.

2. You can spin Stull's inteview however you want. What he said was almost an exact quote. I just didn't put quotations because I knew that one of you would nit pick that as well.

3. I've never hid the fact that I dislike Floyd as the coach of UTEP.


Stull however tipped his hand in that interview yesterday. He made it very clear that the season ticket holders want Floyd there, they are happy to see them win games at home, and that they are the only one's who matter when it comes to gaging success.

Kappy called him out on it and asked him point blank. Shouldn't the NCAA tournament be a priority?

Stull said.

An NCAA tournament bid is not a realistic priority.

MIW is correct, you are the one spinning the interview. But hey, let's let others make up their own mind. Here is the interview, Please tell me if Stull is saying that " A 20 win season is a successful one regardless of whether they make the tourney or not." Stull Interview Relevant part starts around 8:25 mark.

Thanks for posting that. Absolutely people should make up their own minds about what Stull said.

FYI

The relevant question and answer comes at about the 9:15 mark.

Steve Kaplowits asks: It's been 5 yrs. when do you say you can't keep waiting for an NCAA tournament bid.

Bob Stull says: It's not the only criteria we a looking for. Floyd could easily win 26 or 27 games like Doc and Billy did. What he is doing for our season ticket holders is bringing in good teams like Arizona, Washington St. Colorado St. 20+ wins is a good team.

I agree in part with Stull. A program cannot and should not be evaluated solely on NCAA appearances. This is my take on it.

1. Post season tournament appearances should be given 30% weight on an evaluation.
2. Regular season won/loss record and strength of schedule 20%
3. Regular season conference finish = 20%
4. Graduation rate = 30%

By those measures Floyd is doing great with graduation, average to above average in 2 & 3 and slightly below average in #1.

Barbee was pretty bad at the graduation rate measure and was ok in the other three.
Barbee had 1 NCAA tournament, 0 NITs, and 2 CBIs
Floyd has 0 NCAAs, 2 NITs and 1 CBI and turned down another CBI.

If you compare them in an overall program then the two coaches are about equal IMO. At least Floyd likes El Paso and has a respect for Coach Haskins which puts him slightly in front of Barbee.
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Another category should be "Having DC fall into your lap and turn your CBI team into an NCAA team."
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(03-22-2015 09:09 PM)stanman505 Wrote:  
(03-20-2015 12:29 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  
(03-19-2015 10:44 PM)MondoMiner Wrote:  
(03-19-2015 12:37 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  
(03-19-2015 10:31 AM)MinerInWisconsin Wrote:  Actually Run is spot on. Your running in here to breathlessly post each update and fuel your Floyd/UTEP dislike is obvious. Everyone else on the thread is discussing it but not rushing to post each utterance they can find.

And Stull's interview sounded more like he knows it's tougher to win vs a difficult schedule and that he appreciates that and believes Floyd will lead the Miners to the NCAA and win when there. That's quite different from saying 20 wins is enough to be considered successful.

1. I was posting as the story was still developing. I figured someone out there would be interested to hear about it. It's no different then when people post play by play during a ball game.

2. You can spin Stull's inteview however you want. What he said was almost an exact quote. I just didn't put quotations because I knew that one of you would nit pick that as well.

3. I've never hid the fact that I dislike Floyd as the coach of UTEP.


Stull however tipped his hand in that interview yesterday. He made it very clear that the season ticket holders want Floyd there, they are happy to see them win games at home, and that they are the only one's who matter when it comes to gaging success.

Kappy called him out on it and asked him point blank. Shouldn't the NCAA tournament be a priority?

Stull said.

An NCAA tournament bid is not a realistic priority.

MIW is correct, you are the one spinning the interview. But hey, let's let others make up their own mind. Here is the interview, Please tell me if Stull is saying that " A 20 win season is a successful one regardless of whether they make the tourney or not." Stull Interview Relevant part starts around 8:25 mark.

Thanks for posting that. Absolutely people should make up their own minds about what Stull said.

FYI

The relevant question and answer comes at about the 9:15 mark.

Steve Kaplowits asks: It's been 5 yrs. when do you say you can't keep waiting for an NCAA tournament bid.

Bob Stull says: It's not the only criteria we a looking for. Floyd could easily win 26 or 27 games like Doc and Billy did. What he is doing for our season ticket holders is bringing in good teams like Arizona, Washington St. Colorado St. 20+ wins is a good team.

I agree in part with Stull. A program cannot and should not be evaluated solely on NCAA appearances. This is my take on it.

1. Post season tournament appearances should be given 30% weight on an evaluation.
2. Regular season won/loss record and strength of schedule 20%
3. Regular season conference finish = 20%
4. Graduation rate = 30%

By those measures Floyd is doing great with graduation, average to above average in 2 & 3 and slightly below average in #1.

Barbee was pretty bad at the graduation rate measure and was ok in the other three.
Barbee had 1 NCAA tournament, 0 NITs, and 2 CBIs
Floyd has 0 NCAAs, 2 NITs and 1 CBI and turned down another CBI.

If you compare them in an overall program then the two coaches are about equal IMO. At least Floyd likes El Paso and has a respect for Coach Haskins which puts him slightly in front of Barbee.

That is a fair and well thought out assessment.

I find it interesting however that after not making the NCAA tournament agian this year, this critrea comes out. However, before the end of the season, many in El Paso, on this forum and even local media has a "wait and see" attitude thinking that UTEP would win the tournament.

This seems to suggest that it didn't matter how many games the team won or lost, how many players graduated or not, or even where they ended up in the standing. As long as they won the tournament, it was going to be considered a good season.

So the consensus was.......

Before the tournament. Win it and get in and it's a successful season.

After the loss..... That isn't the only measure of a good season.

Sounds like a double standard to me.

And I haven't even started with the double standard regarding Barby. I would need another thread for that one.

That guy was wronged on so many levels.
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