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Thoughts to improve hoops
Change revenue distribution, change either post-season or regular season format, and change the schedule requirements.
http://arkansasstate.scout.com/story/152...oops?s=334
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Make the basket 20 feet high. Require coaches eat a roast beef sandwich at half court at the end of every period. Use live ferrets to clean the floor when someone sweaty falls down.
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RE: Thoughts to improve hoops
(03-17-2015 05:02 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  Change revenue distribution, change either post-season or regular season format, and change the schedule requirements.
http://arkansasstate.scout.com/story/152...oops?s=334

This is absolutely spot on.
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UALR fires their Head Basketball coach

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RE: Thoughts to improve hoops
Force the SBC schools to go out and hire Coach Cal, K, Pearl, Izzo, Petrino, Brown away from their current schools. It's a two fold attack, makes the best worse and the worse better.

Schedule bigger name schools in a 2 for 1, bring a big name to your building every other year. Big name is any P5 and Big East school. This will help attendance numbers, recruiting and TV games.
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RE: Thoughts to improve hoops
(03-17-2015 05:02 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  Change revenue distribution, change either post-season or regular season format, and change the schedule requirements.
http://arkansasstate.scout.com/story/152...oops?s=334

These thoughts don't really solve the basic problem, which is RPI. It is like throwing out a bunch of ideas and hoping a couple stick. I think the improvements required are basic:

1. Improve Strength of Schedule (SOS). The best SOS in the SBC was Georgia State at 149. That is not good enough. Texas State played Howard Payne, Texas Lutheran and Huston-Tillotsen. Three of our nine OOC games were against non-D1 schools. Throw in Prairie View A&M, Seattle, Lamar, UTSA and we played a very light OOC schedule.

2. The SBC schools need to invest more money into basketball. In 2013 Texas State had expenses of $1.578 million on basketball, which ranked 209 out of 349 schools. As a comparison, UAB spent $2.9 million on basketball, which ranked 105. We need to invest more in recruiting, travel, etc. We need to get out of our region and play schools around the country.

3. The SBC needs to win. The SBC was 37-51 in OOC play against D1 schools. That was against a mediocre OOC Schedule. Wins are 25% of the RPI. That helped Georgia State to an RPI of 54.

4. Benson needs to come in from the golf course and lead. He needs to change the schedule to 18 conference games. The MAAC and the SBC are the only two conferences in D1 playing a 20 game conference schedule. He needs to emphasize the need to play a tougher OOC schedule. He needs to get NMSU to play SBC schools in OOC games. He needs to use his contacts with other conferences to help set-up some of these games.
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(03-18-2015 06:22 PM)SoCalBobcat78 Wrote:  
(03-17-2015 05:02 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  Change revenue distribution, change either post-season or regular season format, and change the schedule requirements.
http://arkansasstate.scout.com/story/152...oops?s=334

These thoughts don't really solve the basic problem, which is RPI. It is like throwing out a bunch of ideas and hoping a couple stick. I think the improvements required are basic:

1. Improve Strength of Schedule (SOS). The best SOS in the SBC was Georgia State at 149. That is not good enough. Texas State played Howard Payne, Texas Lutheran and Huston-Tillotsen. Three of our nine OOC games were against non-D1 schools. Throw in Prairie View A&M, Seattle, Lamar, UTSA and we played a very light OOC schedule.

2. The SBC schools need to invest more money into basketball. In 2013 Texas State had expenses of $1.578 million on basketball, which ranked 209 out of 349 schools. As a comparison, UAB spent $2.9 million on basketball, which ranked 105. We need to invest more in recruiting, travel, etc. We need to get out of our region and play schools around the country.

3. The SBC needs to win. The SBC was 37-51 in OOC play against D1 schools. That was against a mediocre OOC Schedule. Wins are 25% of the RPI. That helped Georgia State to an RPI of 54.

4. Benson needs to come in from the golf course and lead. He needs to change the schedule to 18 conference games. The MAAC and the SBC are the only two conferences in D1 playing a 20 game conference schedule. He needs to emphasize the need to play a tougher OOC schedule. He needs to get NMSU to play SBC schools in OOC games. He needs to use his contacts with other conferences to help set-up some of these games.

Strength of schedule is addressed and has a financial penalty associated.

I've been around this league long enough to know you either scrap the regular season trophy or the tournament trophy because the schools and fans will accept a coach is doing well if there is hardware involved and it was far worse when we handed out divisional trophies.
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RE: Thoughts to improve hoops
Agree with everything you said, but differ slightly with tourney ideas.

I favor 2 options:

1) Get rid of the tourney. Get rid of divisions. Old School, like you say.

2) Get rid of the tourney. Keep divisions. Play a championship game at home court of school with higher RPI.


Bottom line. The presidents need to vote on new schedule requirements and ENFORCE them. If a school refuses to abide, expulsion is required. It's time to fix this league.

If not, it will be time for a group of schools who are serious about athletics to leave and start over.
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(03-19-2015 09:10 AM)CAJUNNATION Wrote:  1) Get rid of the tourney. Get rid of divisions. Old School, like you say.

I'm old school. I'm for it.
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RE: Thoughts to improve hoops
I don't see a problem with the tournament nor regular season trophies, SOS is the issue.

Go to 16 conference games.

Limit non-D1 games to four over a three year period.

Utilize a SOS penalty and move it down gradually. 250 is the mark year one, with a goal of 200 by year four. Five of 11 teams had a SOS over 250 in 2015, seven of 11 were over 200. Split the money from the penalty to the programs above the SOS mark evenly.
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(03-19-2015 09:45 AM)Saint3333 Wrote:  I don't see a problem with the tournament nor regular season trophies, SOS is the issue.

Go to 16 conference games.

Limit non-D1 games to four over a three year period.

Utilize a SOS penalty and move it down gradually. 250 is the mark year one, with a goal of 200 by year four. Five of 11 teams had a SOS over 250 in 2015, seven of 11 were over 200. Split the money from the penalty to the programs above the SOS mark evenly.


Nope. Too soft. If this is what comes out of the spring meetings, this conference is doomed.
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Some great ideas, have been put out there, but the real question is which university(presidents, AD's, and coaches) will lead the change? there is no perfect fix without lots of things falling in place. some of these things are for now, out of the control of many deciding on any schedule changes. However some things can be changed to make things a little better, if they are willing to do what they can right now and not wait for the perfect situation to happen before anything changes......whatever change that could happen now, probably wont be perfect for everyone, and may cause a new short term problem, but would have a big picture positive affect. now again, who will lead us in this change, and how many will follow the leader?
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(03-19-2015 10:25 AM)CAJUNNATION Wrote:  
(03-19-2015 09:45 AM)Saint3333 Wrote:  I don't see a problem with the tournament nor regular season trophies, SOS is the issue.

Go to 16 conference games.

Limit non-D1 games to four over a three year period.

Utilize a SOS penalty and move it down gradually. 250 is the mark year one, with a goal of 200 by year four. Five of 11 teams had a SOS over 250 in 2015, seven of 11 were over 200. Split the money from the penalty to the programs above the SOS mark evenly.


Nope. Too soft. If this is what comes out of the spring meetings, this conference is doomed.

Fine drop it to 225 next year and 200 the following. You can't flip the switch and expect coaches to fill their schedule with higher RPI programs to home and homes. Both parties have to agree to the deal.

That plan is better than what we currently have.

Coach Fox is ready yesterday to improve scheduling and reduce the number of conference games.
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RE: Thoughts to improve hoops
Keep it simple:

1. SOS - I agree, assess a monetary penalty for scheduling non-D1 schools.
2. Better Recruiting - Tougher schedules, as brought about via number 1 above, will require better recruiting to win.
3. Conference Tourney - I agree! Make the regular season mean something and get rid of the tourney. Plus, it will save money.
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The only way I would eliminate the tournament is if we continue a double round robin with everyone playing everyone home/home.
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Consider this. If my idea had been in place...
WKU in departing the Sun Belt would have had to give up $1.1 million just from NCAA earnings in 2014, $603,000 in 2015, $378,000 in 2016, 2017, 2018 and $126,000 in 2019.

Foregoing that direct revenue would have been a big hit.
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(03-19-2015 11:50 AM)GaSoEagle Wrote:  The only way I would eliminate the tournament is if we continue a double round robin with everyone playing everyone home/home.

Why it doesn't work that way in football?

If you play 16 games and take care of business, you win the conference.
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(03-19-2015 11:54 AM)arkstfan Wrote:  Consider this. If my idea had been in place...
WKU in departing the Sun Belt would have had to give up $1.1 million just from NCAA earnings in 2014, $603,000 in 2015, $378,000 in 2016, 2017, 2018 and $126,000 in 2019.

Foregoing that direct revenue would have been a big hit.

How could WKU give up revenue after they are gone? They had to give up their 2014 revenue because they left.

Where is the $14 million in Sun Belt revenue coming from?
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(03-19-2015 11:54 AM)arkstfan Wrote:  Consider this. If my idea had been in place...
WKU in departing the Sun Belt would have had to give up $1.1 million just from NCAA earnings in 2014, $603,000 in 2015, $378,000 in 2016, 2017, 2018 and $126,000 in 2019.

Foregoing that direct revenue would have been a big hit.

How could WKU give up revenue after they are gone? They had to give up their 2014 revenue because they left.

Where is the $14 million in Sun Belt revenue coming from?

In the piece I wrote, I advocated for a plan where schools earning units in excess of the one we get for simply being a Division I conference should keep 90% of the excess they earn.

If it had been in place WKU would have had 2 units from 2008, 1 from 2009, one from 2012, and shared a half unit with MTSU in 2013 because those were the units earned in excess of the one guaranteed unit.

But they would have forfeited that money with the CUSA announcement. With the current plan the bulk all goes into the big hopper and you share and share alike.
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(03-19-2015 02:32 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  
(03-19-2015 02:03 PM)SoCalBobcat78 Wrote:  
(03-19-2015 11:54 AM)arkstfan Wrote:  Consider this. If my idea had been in place...
WKU in departing the Sun Belt would have had to give up $1.1 million just from NCAA earnings in 2014, $603,000 in 2015, $378,000 in 2016, 2017, 2018 and $126,000 in 2019.

Foregoing that direct revenue would have been a big hit.

How could WKU give up revenue after they are gone? They had to give up their 2014 revenue because they left.

Where is the $14 million in Sun Belt revenue coming from?

In the piece I wrote, I advocated for a plan where schools earning units in excess of the one we get for simply being a Division I conference should keep 90% of the excess they earn.

If it had been in place WKU would have had 2 units from 2008, 1 from 2009, one from 2012, and shared a half unit with MTSU in 2013 because those were the units earned in excess of the one guaranteed unit.

But they would have forfeited that money with the CUSA announcement. With the current plan the bulk all goes into the big hopper and you share and share alike.

There is not enough revenue to make this work. The NCAA payment for tournament units is estimated at about $250,000 for this year. The Sun Belt will get nine units based on the period of 2009-2014. That comes out to $2.25 million or about $204,000 per school. I don't like the idea of cutting that paltry number further for a school that is struggling with their basketball budget. That revenue is really important to non-football programs like UTA and Arkansas Little Rock.

If the $14 million you mentioned for Sun Belt revenue is primarily football revenue, I don't think any school is going to want to potentially have football revenue lost because of the performance of the basketball team. In your system, Georgia State would get a bonus for basketball performance, but lose nothing for their football performance.
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