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RE: Penn State Frat Suspended for Year
(03-18-2015 10:34 AM)ODU06 Wrote:  
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(03-17-2015 05:53 PM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  I'm sorry once they are that drunk then *both parties* have some responsibility. If the guy took photo's when drunk then so be it. But they shared it sober on facebook.

Not if you are taking your clothes off in front of other people.

As I said, the girls who were asleep or passed out, that's a problem.

Girls who choose to drink and get naked, that's the girl's problem and the Frat shouldn't be in trouble for distributing or sharing those photos. That's what happens when you do something stupid. Don't want it to happen? Don't get naked at a party.


So if I consent to 30 specific people at a private party seeing me naked, I'm automatically consenting to someone taking a photo and posting it to the internet where 300, 3,000, 3 million... people can see see me naked?

There is no such thing as consenting to a display in a limited capacity like that. If you get naked at a party, it is what it is and if you end up with pictures all over that is on you.

But where is the line drawn? What if I chose to get naked in front of one person and they photograph it unbeknownst to me and then post all over the internet? I chose to allow one person to see me naked--by doing so, was I choosing to allow that person to do whatever they want with my image?

Wouldn't you agree that one person is a markedly different situation than in front of a group of 30? My feeling is that if the entire disrobing was done in a private setting, then privacy applies. Again - stripping down in front of a group of 30 people and dancing around I think, by it's nature, isn't "private".

Hell, parents of high school kids will tell them "don't walk around at a party with a red solo cup in hand - one pic and the school can bust you for underage drinking and get you suspended from an athletic team. Cameras are EVERYWHERE.
03-18-2015 10:45 AM
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RE: Penn State Frat Suspended for Year
(03-18-2015 10:34 AM)ODU06 Wrote:  
(03-18-2015 09:51 AM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  
(03-18-2015 09:33 AM)ODU06 Wrote:  
(03-17-2015 06:13 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  
(03-17-2015 05:53 PM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  I'm sorry once they are that drunk then *both parties* have some responsibility. If the guy took photo's when drunk then so be it. But they shared it sober on facebook.

Not if you are taking your clothes off in front of other people.

As I said, the girls who were asleep or passed out, that's a problem.

Girls who choose to drink and get naked, that's the girl's problem and the Frat shouldn't be in trouble for distributing or sharing those photos. That's what happens when you do something stupid. Don't want it to happen? Don't get naked at a party.


So if I consent to 30 specific people at a private party seeing me naked, I'm automatically consenting to someone taking a photo and posting it to the internet where 300, 3,000, 3 million... people can see see me naked?

There is no such thing as consenting to a display in a limited capacity like that. If you get naked at a party, it is what it is and if you end up with pictures all over that is on you.

But where is the line drawn? What if I chose to get naked in front of one person and they photograph it unbeknownst to me and then post all over the internet? I chose to allow one person to see me naked--by doing so, was I choosing to allow that person to do whatever they want with my image?

Then you have an issue with that one person that took the photo and not with the millions that saw said photo online.
03-18-2015 10:52 AM
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RE: Penn State Frat Suspended for Year
(03-18-2015 10:45 AM)Crebman Wrote:  
(03-18-2015 10:34 AM)ODU06 Wrote:  
(03-18-2015 09:51 AM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  
(03-18-2015 09:33 AM)ODU06 Wrote:  
(03-17-2015 06:13 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  Not if you are taking your clothes off in front of other people.

As I said, the girls who were asleep or passed out, that's a problem.

Girls who choose to drink and get naked, that's the girl's problem and the Frat shouldn't be in trouble for distributing or sharing those photos. That's what happens when you do something stupid. Don't want it to happen? Don't get naked at a party.


So if I consent to 30 specific people at a private party seeing me naked, I'm automatically consenting to someone taking a photo and posting it to the internet where 300, 3,000, 3 million... people can see see me naked?

There is no such thing as consenting to a display in a limited capacity like that. If you get naked at a party, it is what it is and if you end up with pictures all over that is on you.

But where is the line drawn? What if I chose to get naked in front of one person and they photograph it unbeknownst to me and then post all over the internet? I chose to allow one person to see me naked--by doing so, was I choosing to allow that person to do whatever they want with my image?

Wouldn't you agree that one person is a markedly different situation than in front of a group of 30? My feeling is that if the entire disrobing was done in a private setting, then privacy applies. Again - stripping down in front of a group of 30 people and dancing around I think, by it's nature, isn't "private".

Hell, parents of high school kids will tell them "don't walk around at a party with a red solo cup in hand - one pic and the school can bust you for underage drinking and get you suspended from an athletic team. Cameras are EVERYWHERE.

I guess my point is why can I decide to get naked for one person's eyes only but not for 30 people's eyes only? If I get naked in a house full of good friends, I don't think I'm consenting to those friends sharing those pictures with everyone else.

As for the other point, I completely agree. If I get naked (or underage drink etc.) in front of anyone then I'm risking that it could be posted and I would have to suffer the consequences if it did and the more people I choose to do that in front of, the greater my risk. And I agree that people should be smart about that. But that doesn't mean the person who took and posted the picture without my consent was not in the wrong and shouldn't potentially be subjected to criminal penalties or tortuous damages.
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RE: Penn State Frat Suspended for Year
(03-18-2015 10:52 AM)VA49er Wrote:  
(03-18-2015 10:34 AM)ODU06 Wrote:  
(03-18-2015 09:51 AM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  
(03-18-2015 09:33 AM)ODU06 Wrote:  
(03-17-2015 06:13 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  Not if you are taking your clothes off in front of other people.

As I said, the girls who were asleep or passed out, that's a problem.

Girls who choose to drink and get naked, that's the girl's problem and the Frat shouldn't be in trouble for distributing or sharing those photos. That's what happens when you do something stupid. Don't want it to happen? Don't get naked at a party.


So if I consent to 30 specific people at a private party seeing me naked, I'm automatically consenting to someone taking a photo and posting it to the internet where 300, 3,000, 3 million... people can see see me naked?

There is no such thing as consenting to a display in a limited capacity like that. If you get naked at a party, it is what it is and if you end up with pictures all over that is on you.

But where is the line drawn? What if I chose to get naked in front of one person and they photograph it unbeknownst to me and then post all over the internet? I chose to allow one person to see me naked--by doing so, was I choosing to allow that person to do whatever they want with my image?

Then you have an issue with that one person that took the photo and not with the millions that saw said photo online.

Yes, exactly. I blame the person who posted the picture. Even if I allowed them to take a picture, they have no right to post that picture or show it to anyone unless I say so.
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RE: Penn State Frat Suspended for Year
(03-18-2015 11:12 AM)ODU06 Wrote:  
(03-18-2015 10:52 AM)VA49er Wrote:  
(03-18-2015 10:34 AM)ODU06 Wrote:  
(03-18-2015 09:51 AM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  
(03-18-2015 09:33 AM)ODU06 Wrote:  So if I consent to 30 specific people at a private party seeing me naked, I'm automatically consenting to someone taking a photo and posting it to the internet where 300, 3,000, 3 million... people can see see me naked?

There is no such thing as consenting to a display in a limited capacity like that. If you get naked at a party, it is what it is and if you end up with pictures all over that is on you.

But where is the line drawn? What if I chose to get naked in front of one person and they photograph it unbeknownst to me and then post all over the internet? I chose to allow one person to see me naked--by doing so, was I choosing to allow that person to do whatever they want with my image?

Then you have an issue with that one person that took the photo and not with the millions that saw said photo online.

Yes, exactly. I blame the person who posted the picture. Even if I allowed them to take a picture, they have no right to post that picture or show it to anyone unless I say so.

I agree; however, not sure if the law has caught up with that situation yet. I think a "revenge porn" dude was actually prosecuted not long ago though, so there's hope.
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RE: Penn State Frat Suspended for Year
(03-18-2015 11:18 AM)VA49er Wrote:  
(03-18-2015 11:12 AM)ODU06 Wrote:  
(03-18-2015 10:52 AM)VA49er Wrote:  
(03-18-2015 10:34 AM)ODU06 Wrote:  
(03-18-2015 09:51 AM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  There is no such thing as consenting to a display in a limited capacity like that. If you get naked at a party, it is what it is and if you end up with pictures all over that is on you.

But where is the line drawn? What if I chose to get naked in front of one person and they photograph it unbeknownst to me and then post all over the internet? I chose to allow one person to see me naked--by doing so, was I choosing to allow that person to do whatever they want with my image?

Then you have an issue with that one person that took the photo and not with the millions that saw said photo online.

Yes, exactly. I blame the person who posted the picture. Even if I allowed them to take a picture, they have no right to post that picture or show it to anyone unless I say so.

I agree; however, not sure if the law has caught up with that situation yet. I think a "revenge porn" dude was actually prosecuted not long ago though, so there's hope.

He did, and now he is trying to get google and the other search engines to remove his name from their sites so people cant google him. Kinda hypocritical of him if you ask me.
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RE: Penn State Frat Suspended for Year
(03-18-2015 10:34 AM)ODU06 Wrote:  
(03-18-2015 09:51 AM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  
(03-18-2015 09:33 AM)ODU06 Wrote:  
(03-17-2015 06:13 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  
(03-17-2015 05:53 PM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  I'm sorry once they are that drunk then *both parties* have some responsibility. If the guy took photo's when drunk then so be it. But they shared it sober on facebook.

Not if you are taking your clothes off in front of other people.

As I said, the girls who were asleep or passed out, that's a problem.

Girls who choose to drink and get naked, that's the girl's problem and the Frat shouldn't be in trouble for distributing or sharing those photos. That's what happens when you do something stupid. Don't want it to happen? Don't get naked at a party.


So if I consent to 30 specific people at a private party seeing me naked, I'm automatically consenting to someone taking a photo and posting it to the internet where 300, 3,000, 3 million... people can see see me naked?

There is no such thing as consenting to a display in a limited capacity like that. If you get naked at a party, it is what it is and if you end up with pictures all over that is on you.

But where is the line drawn? What if I chose to get naked in front of one person and they photograph it unbeknownst to me and then post all over the internet? I chose to allow one person to see me naked--by doing so, was I choosing to allow that person to do whatever they want with my image?

Sorry it has taken so long to reply. The internet connection here in Malabo is not good.

Anyways, the line is drawn by the circumstances in which you took the picture. If you are fooling around with your significant other and a picture is taken the circumstances surround the picture are a lot different than when some girl flashes a camera on spring break or take off her pants at a frat party.

In one instance you retain a certain level of control and expectation as to your privacy because with is an implied agreement, a mutuality of understanding. When you flash a mob or a group of people in which you have no actual immediate connection, you aren't conversing with, and are not actively engaged with then you retain no expectation of privacy. You have given yourself over to the whims of the crowd. You've done that because if you didn't want that to happen you wouldn't have performed that action.

It's also important that you do not really retain the right to your image. You have no legal or constitutional right to not have your picture taken. The best way to put that is, your face is public. When you show your ass in public, it, like your face is all the time, becomes part of the public flow.

Now, about this topic, as I have said, the girls who were passed out etc are a problem and the frat deserves to be kicked off of campus for that. However, I have a feeling that many of the pictures shared had more to do with just slutty girls showing various parts and then regretting it later. I have no sympathy for those. Their pictures are on the internet? Tough **** you shouldn't act like trash.
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(03-18-2015 09:53 AM)ECUGrad07 Wrote:  My fraternity had a great time in college and got a lot of girls, but we never did stupid **** like this. What the hell is wrong with these kids?

So glad I went through college with no smartphones around.

agreed
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