(03-16-2015 10:48 AM)tigerlands Wrote:  Anything less than a NCAA bid will get JP canned.

He BETTER get an NCAA bid.

Top 15 recruiting class and most, if not all, returning players from a team that had enough talent to be in the NCAAt this year.

I still wonder how Burrell and Shaq will fit in. If they both start, that means the Lawson's are both coming off the bench. If Lawson(s) start, it means that senior(s) are being benched.

Pastner will likely underschedule the OOC next year despite the fact the AAC won't be much better than this year, so quality/name wins may be hard to come by. So, it will be harder to get a higher seed if they drop (as they typically do) a head scratcher or two.

(03-16-2015 10:40 AM)tiger2000 Wrote:  

(03-16-2015 10:33 AM)Willie Becton Wrote:  That sounds not only good, but refreshing and VERY achievable.

If might upset some others though. Be prepared!

GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO TIGERS
GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO PASTNER

What is reasonable for you over time in regards to basketball? What are the milestones and their respective timelines?

If Pastner is here in 10 years and still doesn't have a S16 but has made the tourney more often than not, will you be as adamantly supportive?

I am very curious... What does success look like for you under Pastner? Is it simply running a clean program and making the NCAA tournament a majority of the time?

How do you define success for the basketball program in terms of specific, measurable goals?

My expectations have nothing to do with the HC

Below NIT - bad season
NIT - mediocre season
NCAA first round loss - OK season
Make the NCAAs and advance (1 win) - good season
Make the NCAAs and advance (more than 1 win) - Great season

I leave the hiring and firing of coaches to those in charge...not schmucks on a message board

No. 1 seed in the NIT or bust.

(03-16-2015 10:55 AM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(03-16-2015 10:40 AM)tiger2000 Wrote:  

(03-16-2015 10:33 AM)Willie Becton Wrote:  That sounds not only good, but refreshing and VERY achievable.

If might upset some others though. Be prepared!

GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO TIGERS
GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO PASTNER

What is reasonable for you over time in regards to basketball? What are the milestones and their respective timelines?

If Pastner is here in 10 years and still doesn't have a S16 but has made the tourney more often than not, will you be as adamantly supportive?

I am very curious... What does success look like for you under Pastner? Is it simply running a clean program and making the NCAA tournament a majority of the time?

How do you define success for the basketball program in terms of specific, measurable goals?

My expectations have nothing to do with the HC

Below NIT - bad season
NIT - mediocre season
NCAA first round loss - OK season
Make the NCAAs and advance (1 win) - good season
Make the NCAAs and advance (more than 1 win) - Great season

I leave the hiring and firing of coaches to those in charge...not schmucks on a message board

He's bacccckkkkk....

(03-16-2015 10:58 AM)MemTiger90 Wrote:  

(03-16-2015 10:55 AM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(03-16-2015 10:40 AM)tiger2000 Wrote:  

(03-16-2015 10:33 AM)Willie Becton Wrote:  That sounds not only good, but refreshing and VERY achievable.

If might upset some others though. Be prepared!

GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO TIGERS
GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO PASTNER

What is reasonable for you over time in regards to basketball? What are the milestones and their respective timelines?

If Pastner is here in 10 years and still doesn't have a S16 but has made the tourney more often than not, will you be as adamantly supportive?

I am very curious... What does success look like for you under Pastner? Is it simply running a clean program and making the NCAA tournament a majority of the time?

How do you define success for the basketball program in terms of specific, measurable goals?

My expectations have nothing to do with the HC

Below NIT - bad season
NIT - mediocre season
NCAA first round loss - OK season
Make the NCAAs and advance (1 win) - good season
Make the NCAAs and advance (more than 1 win) - Great season

I leave the hiring and firing of coaches to those in charge...not schmucks on a message board

He's bacccckkkkk....

when did I leave?

He probably needs to make the Sweet 16 and be a 3 seed in the conference tourney.

In terms of benchmarks that can be tracked, I'd like to finish in the top 3 in the AAC, at least one win in the NCAA tournament, and ~24 wins.

I'm more interested in some of the areas that cannot be tracked. I'd like us to show improvement throughout the year. I'd like us to win some games that we're not supposed to win. I'd REALLY like to see some discipline on the team (i.e. set plays, limiting foolish mistakes, players being in-shape, etc.). I'd like for us to never get blown out of a game. And, I'd like to see Pastner out-coach some of his competition. I'm really tired of seeing us roll the ball out and hope that our athleticism wins us games.

(03-16-2015 10:59 AM)fsquid Wrote:  He probably needs to make the Sweet 16 and be a 3 seed in the conference tourney.

Heck no! Like I said. Look out! Wait til next year! Every team that got us this year better look out! A 3 seed in the conf tourney? don't you listen to our Josh Wooden! Wait til next year!

(03-16-2015 10:59 AM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(03-16-2015 10:58 AM)MemTiger90 Wrote:  

(03-16-2015 10:55 AM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(03-16-2015 10:40 AM)tiger2000 Wrote:  

(03-16-2015 10:33 AM)Willie Becton Wrote:  That sounds not only good, but refreshing and VERY achievable.

If might upset some others though. Be prepared!

GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO TIGERS
GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO PASTNER

What is reasonable for you over time in regards to basketball? What are the milestones and their respective timelines?

If Pastner is here in 10 years and still doesn't have a S16 but has made the tourney more often than not, will you be as adamantly supportive?

I am very curious... What does success look like for you under Pastner? Is it simply running a clean program and making the NCAA tournament a majority of the time?

How do you define success for the basketball program in terms of specific, measurable goals?

My expectations have nothing to do with the HC

Below NIT - bad season
NIT - mediocre season
NCAA first round loss - OK season
Make the NCAAs and advance (1 win) - good season
Make the NCAAs and advance (more than 1 win) - Great season

I leave the hiring and firing of coaches to those in charge...not schmucks on a message board

He's bacccckkkkk....

when did I leave?

Didn't see you over the weekend

It's always a trick with the small sample sizes the NCAA offers. I think Pastner's NCAA record is acceptable, if a little disappointing. However, the manner in which the Tigers have been dismissed in recent years (not at all competitive in many big losses, including Mich St / UVA) means that it is reasonable to doubt that the Tigers can ever compete on a meaningful level with this coaching staff.

Having said this, here is a few options:

1. What I want: Sweet 16, like most here. It's been too long since the second weekend.

2. What I will accept as a valid reason for keeping JP: Making the NCAAs at a single digit seed and losing any game in which we aren't curbstomped. That would mean we were in the game and had a chance to win (think the Zona loss his first trip) and a single digit seed means he did enough to win some regular season games that mattered.

3. What gets him canned in my book:
- losing the NCAA's in embarrassing fashion (Mich St / UVA like) before the S16
- not making the NCAAs
- making the NCAAs as a 11+ seed and not winning at least one game

>>>>

I am not concerned about our lack of NCAA Ws, I am very concerned with the manner the losses have occurred. It's hard to feel good about Memphis' ability to compete at a high level when we leave the tourney beaten senseless...

(03-16-2015 11:04 AM)BIGDTiger Wrote:  

(03-16-2015 10:59 AM)fsquid Wrote:  He probably needs to make the Sweet 16 and be a 3 seed in the conference tourney.

Heck no! Like I said. Look out! Wait til next year! Every team that got us this year better look out! A 3 seed in the conf tourney? don't you listen to our Josh Wooden! Wait til next year!

that added nothing to this subject.

(03-16-2015 11:04 AM)MemTiger90 Wrote:  

(03-16-2015 10:59 AM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(03-16-2015 10:58 AM)MemTiger90 Wrote:  

(03-16-2015 10:55 AM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(03-16-2015 10:40 AM)tiger2000 Wrote:  What is reasonable for you over time in regards to basketball? What are the milestones and their respective timelines?

If Pastner is here in 10 years and still doesn't have a S16 but has made the tourney more often than not, will you be as adamantly supportive?

I am very curious... What does success look like for you under Pastner? Is it simply running a clean program and making the NCAA tournament a majority of the time?

How do you define success for the basketball program in terms of specific, measurable goals?

My expectations have nothing to do with the HC

Below NIT - bad season
NIT - mediocre season
NCAA first round loss - OK season
Make the NCAAs and advance (1 win) - good season
Make the NCAAs and advance (more than 1 win) - Great season

I leave the hiring and firing of coaches to those in charge...not schmucks on a message board

He's bacccckkkkk....

when did I leave?

Didn't see you over the weekend

Lots of hoops on TV to take in, but I was here...

http://csnbbs.com/search.php?action=resu...0d517941a6

(03-16-2015 11:06 AM)Sundanceuiuc Wrote:  It's always a trick with the small sample sizes the NCAA offers. I think Pastner's NCAA record is acceptable, if a little disappointing. However, the manner in which the Tigers have been dismissed in recent years (not at all competitive in many big losses, including Mich St / UVA) means that it is reasonable to doubt that the Tigers can ever compete on a meaningful level with this coaching staff.

Having said this, here is a few options:

1. What I want: Sweet 16, like most here. It's been too long since the second weekend.

2. What I will accept as a valid reason for keeping JP: Making the NCAAs at a single digit seed and losing any game in which we aren't curbstomped. That would mean we were in the game and had a chance to win (think the Zona loss his first trip) and a single digit seed means he did enough to win some regular season games that mattered.

3. What gets him canned in my book:
- losing the NCAA's in embarrassing fashion (Mich St / UVA like) before the S16
- not making the NCAAs
- making the NCAAs as a 11+ seed and not winning at least one game

>>>>

I am not concerned about our lack of NCAA Ws, I am very concerned with the manner the losses have occurred. It's hard to feel good about Memphis' ability to compete at a high level when we leave the tourney beaten senseless...

Reasonable stuff here.

(03-16-2015 11:06 AM)fsquid Wrote:  

(03-16-2015 11:04 AM)BIGDTiger Wrote:  

(03-16-2015 10:59 AM)fsquid Wrote:  He probably needs to make the Sweet 16 and be a 3 seed in the conference tourney.

Heck no! Like I said. Look out! Wait til next year! Every team that got us this year better look out! A 3 seed in the conf tourney? don't you listen to our Josh Wooden! Wait til next year!

that added nothing to this subject.

What do you mean? Let me break it down. Back in the good ole 1992 my junior high team went into the mighty Chalybeate, MS Junior High gym & played them tooth & nail. We beat them 85-10. But in the final 30 seconds they out scored us 1-0. After the game their coach said, "see boys, we can play with them. We won the last 30 seconds." This means next season we'll beat them. They got us this year but wait til next year."

C'mon man! How do you not understand this? Are you in outer space?

(03-16-2015 10:49 AM)MemTiger90 Wrote:  By year 7, yall should all know that in order to configurate expectations, you should take the overall expectations, subtract 2, and that is what we'll achieve

For instance, if expectations are a sweet 16, then we'll get bounced the first game of the tourney

When I computerated it, I got a different number. Configurate. There is a squiggly red line under it. Just sayin'

LMAO.

(03-16-2015 11:15 AM)Stammers Wrote:  

(03-16-2015 10:49 AM)MemTiger90 Wrote:  By year 7, yall should all know that in order to configurate expectations, you should take the overall expectations, subtract 2, and that is what we'll achieve

For instance, if expectations are a sweet 16, then we'll get bounced the first game of the tourney

When I computerated it, I got a different number. Configurate. There is a squiggly red line under it. Just sayin'

LMAO.

Stammers is a hall of famer.

Barring major injuries and all major players are here and accounted for then minimum expectation should be S16 and the maximum expectation should be Elite8. Anything beyond that is cherry on top

(03-16-2015 11:19 AM)BigTigerMike Wrote:  Barring major injuries and all major players are here and accounted for then minimum expectation should be S16 and the maximum expectation should be Elite8. Anything beyond that is cherry on top

If CJP hadn't taken the starters out so early against cbu this whole season would have been different & we'd be talking about the final 4 next season.

(03-16-2015 11:15 AM)Stammers Wrote:  

(03-16-2015 10:49 AM)MemTiger90 Wrote:  By year 7, yall should all know that in order to configurate expectations, you should take the overall expectations, subtract 2, and that is what we'll achieve

For instance, if expectations are a sweet 16, then we'll get bounced the first game of the tourney

When I computerated it, I got a different number. Configurate. There is a squiggly red line under it. Just sayin'

LMAO.

Are you trying to say, "configurate" isn't a word?

http://i.word.com/idictionary/configurate