For those who have seen him play, how would you compare him to Sean Banks, Shawne Williams, and Thad Young?

All three are tweener forwards with perimeter skills that people around here should be familiar with.

people keep saying don't expect him to have an impact as a freshman. Sean and Shawne both had imact as freshmen, is it safe to say Dedric is a step or two below those guys?

I'd say a young, poor man's Kevin Durant type. Big big upside.

Better than all three. A real stud

High basketball IQ and goes hard. Not overly athletic and really needs to hit the weights. That said, he will help us IF we find an answer at the PG spot.

Both Lawsons will be Pastnerized. They will regress from day 1 and then transfer in January. But don't worry... they were "overrated"

(03-15-2015 09:01 PM)howboutthemtigers Wrote:  Both Lawsons will be Pastnerized. They will regress from day 1 and then transfer in January. But don't worry... they were "overrated"

Really? I know everyone is unhappy but it is insane that every single thread turns within 10 posts. I'm going back to my other board. You guys have fun over here when all you have left are those posters of the same ilk.

(03-15-2015 07:36 PM)idroot4russia Wrote:  For those who have seen him play, how would you compare him to Sean Banks, Shawne Williams, and Thad Young?

All three are tweener forwards with perimeter skills that people around here should be familiar with.

people keep saying don't expect him to have an impact as a freshman. Sean and Shawne both had imact as freshmen, is it safe to say Dedric is a step or two below those guys?

Shawne Williams, Tashawn Thomas of Oklahoma with much better passing skills than both. Stretch 4. He will face the basket 70 percent of time and needs to work hard this summer on strength and improving a decent 3 pt shot. If he does those two things, he will be in NBA after 2 years. Don't forget he reclassified from 2016.

(03-15-2015 09:01 PM)howboutthemtigers Wrote:  Both Lawsons will be Pastnerized. They will regress from day 1 and then transfer in January. But don't worry... they were "overrated"

Please!

Definitely NOT Thad...anyone who thinks that is setting themself up for a disapointment. Thad is the best player NOT named Penny to come out of the city. Until Skal blows up at kentucky next year ...

Anyways, I've seen the Lawsons play more than a few times. I'd say he reminds me more of Shawne Williams - of the 3 options listed in the OP. He isn't as fluid as Banks, but he's longer.

Dedric has the inside-out game like Shawne did & they both had that high, slow release. I think Dedric will be a 2 & done guy if he progresses like many believe he should. Definitely needs to add weight & work on his ball handling if he wants to play 3.

KJ and Dedric could both play very well at the 4 with Austin at the 5

(03-15-2015 09:01 PM)howboutthemtigers Wrote:  Both Lawsons will be Pastnerized. They will regress from day 1 and then transfer in January. But don't worry... they were "overrated"

I envy your ability to see into the future.

(03-16-2015 01:15 PM)HometownTiger Wrote:  Definitely NOT Thad...anyone who thinks that is setting themself up for a disapointment. Thad is the best player NOT named Penny to come out of the city. Until Skal blows up at kentucky next year ...

Anyways, I've seen the Lawsons play more than a few times. I'd say he reminds me more of Shawne Williams - of the 3 options listed in the OP. He isn't as fluid as Banks, but he's longer.

Dedric has the inside-out game like Shawne did & they both had that high, slow release. I think Dedric will be a 2 & done guy if he progresses like many believe he should. Definitely needs to add weight & work on his ball handling if he wants to play 3.

KJ and Dedric could both play very well at the 4 with Austin at the 5

KJ will have to play 3. He is smaller than Dedric by 20 or more lbs and 2 inches. He is a pest on D. Fans will love his effort-can shoot 3 slightly better also. Bobby Parks type player-gotta remember Bobby as freshman (RIP).

(03-16-2015 01:40 PM)tigers1125 Wrote:  

(03-16-2015 01:15 PM)HometownTiger Wrote:  Definitely NOT Thad...anyone who thinks that is setting themself up for a disapointment. Thad is the best player NOT named Penny to come out of the city. Until Skal blows up at kentucky next year ...

Anyways, I've seen the Lawsons play more than a few times. I'd say he reminds me more of Shawne Williams - of the 3 options listed in the OP. He isn't as fluid as Banks, but he's longer.

Dedric has the inside-out game like Shawne did & they both had that high, slow release. I think Dedric will be a 2 & done guy if he progresses like many believe he should. Definitely needs to add weight & work on his ball handling if he wants to play 3.

KJ and Dedric could both play very well at the 4 with Austin at the 5

KJ will have to play 3. He is smaller than Dedric by 20 or more lbs and 2 inches. He is a pest on D. Fans will love his effort-can shoot 3 slightly better also. Bobby Parks type player-gotta remember Bobby as freshman (RIP).

No doubt, but I don't think KJ is an big time "instant impact" guy that'll put us over the top - Sweet 16, etc.

I see him more like Nick King was (RIP...lol)

(03-15-2015 07:36 PM)idroot4russia Wrote:  For those who have seen him play, how would you compare him to Sean Banks, Shawne Williams, and Thad Young?

All three are tweener forwards with perimeter skills that people around here should be familiar with.

people keep saying don't expect him to have an impact as a freshman. Sean and Shawne both had imact as freshmen, is it safe to say Dedric is a step or two below those guys?

I have a seen him a few times and as far as his raw talent is concerned, I wouldn't really compare him to any of those players. His best attributes are his IQ, has a pretty polished overall skill set and is a decent shooter. But compared to Shawne Williams, Shawne was quite a bit tougher and a better athlete. Sean Banks had a better perimeter game (especially the jumper) and could get past people off the bounce. Thad is just way more athletic and more willing to do dirty work.

While not many in Memphis seem willing to say it, I am going to have to be honest here and say that he is a bit overrated as a prospect going beyond high school into college and in particular professionally. A bad sign is when a guy is ranked top 3 in his class like he was in the 8th grade and just seems to drop every year. Now he is in the low 20's on last check. He built that ranking because he was regarded as a 6'8" wing prospect in middle school and early high school. The issue is that he caught a case of Andre Allen syndrome and didn't grow and his athleticism has shown minimal development. Now he is really not athletic enough or a good enough shooter to play outside and he just isn't big enough to be a high impact player on the interior. Furthermore he isn't a high intensity player which is usually what it takes to succeed when undersized in the paint.

His best hope would be to grow a couple of inches. He really needs it to be a superstar with his style of play (a mix of inside out, calm and cool but not real physical). If he doesn't off the top of my head I am going to say Perry Ellis for a comparison.

(03-16-2015 01:18 PM)Willie Becton Wrote:  

(03-15-2015 09:01 PM)howboutthemtigers Wrote:  Both Lawsons will be Pastnerized. They will regress from day 1 and then transfer in January. But don't worry... they were "overrated"

I envy your ability to see into the future.

I share the sentiment.. We've had this "wait til next year" mentatility, really, every year for the last 5 years..

Year 2... "the calvary is coming"
Year 3... "the calvary won't be freshmen anymore, plus Adonis"
Year 4... "the calvary plus Shaq"
Year 5... "the calvary are seniors, plus Shaq and Austin"
Year 6.... "we will be much better without the calvary"

I think many of us are just extremely gun shy at this point, and rightfully so..

Sweet 16 or bust.. We will make the tournament. I'll say 23-25 wins, but fail to make it out of the first weekend. JP is gone, bring in the new guy. I kinda hope it's Pearl. We need some legit, been there, non BS energy and revitalization.

Dwash is spot on with his analysis.

(03-16-2015 02:27 PM)UofMTigerFan Wrote:  Dwash is spot on with his analysis.

I second that.

(03-16-2015 02:34 PM)tigersroll Wrote:  

(03-16-2015 02:27 PM)UofMTigerFan Wrote:  Dwash is spot on with his analysis.

I second that.

Me, three. I've seen him play a handful of times. Sounds about right.

(03-16-2015 02:13 PM)dwash Wrote:  I have a seen him a few times and as far as his raw talent is concerned, I wouldn't really compare him to any of those players. His best attributes are his IQ, has a pretty polished overall skill set and is a decent shooter. But compared to Shawne Williams, Shawne was quite a bit tougher and a better athlete. Sean Banks had a better perimeter game (especially the jumper) and could get past people off the bounce. Thad is just way more athletic and more willing to do dirty work.

While not many in Memphis seem willing to say it, I am going to have to be honest here and say that he is a bit overrated as a prospect going beyond high school into college and in particular professionally. A bad sign is when a guy is ranked top 3 in his class like he was in the 8th grade and just seems to drop every year. Now he is in the low 20's on last check. He built that ranking because he was regarded as a 6'8" wing prospect in middle school and early high school. The issue is that he caught a case of Andre Allen syndrome and didn't grow and his athleticism has shown minimal development. Now he is really not athletic enough or a good enough shooter to play outside and he just isn't big enough to be a high impact player on the interior. Furthermore he isn't a high intensity player which is usually what it takes to succeed when undersized in the paint.

His best hope would be to grow a couple of inches. He really needs it to be a superstar with his style of play (a mix of inside out, calm and cool but not real physical). If he doesn't off the top of my head I am going to say Perry Ellis for a comparison.

Sounds like you've been paying attention. I agree with that review.

I've seen them play 7-8 times, and quite frankly I'm more impressed with KJ. The ball seems to find D, and KJ seems to go get it imo. D has size, but seems slow of foot right now. Neither seem overly athletic, but the numbers don't lie . It could go either way. My question is has anybody else heard rumblings of KJ having an attitude problem? My buddy saw him cuss @ a ref one game , and i have heard other stories. Am I the only one?

(03-16-2015 04:31 PM)macphil30 Wrote:  I've seen them play 7-8 times, and quite frankly I'm more impressed with KJ. The ball seems to find D, and KJ seems to go get it imo. D has size, but seems slow of foot right now. Neither seem overly athletic, but the numbers don't lie . It could go either way. My question is has anybody else heard rumblings of KJ having an attitude problem? My buddy saw him cuss @ a ref one game , and i have heard other stories. Am I the only one?

uh oh!

He will have tendonitis before midnight madness ends. Wonder if Rhode Island will have a spot for him alongside Iverson.