So you cherry pick one thing Sander says and have it all figured out without knowing/considering the multitude of other variables involved?

(03-15-2015 05:49 PM)Bucfaithful Wrote:  So you cherry pick one thing Sander says and have it all figured out without knowing/considering the multitude of other variables involved?

What other variables beside pissed off donor do you want to guess at now?
Seems easy if it was clause leftover from Mullins, not Sander's fault.

The paper didn't say anything about rollover, etc it said the new contract was signed.

But please explain to me why an Sander would fill the need sign an employee to a new 2 year contract if he wasn't happy with his performance? Unless of course Sander didn't realize we hadn't been competing for championships for the last 3-4 years (his words)until after this last season. Maybe that is it, he had been AD for less then a year when Bartow was extended (a little over year including his time as Intern), perhaps he didn't know.

Lmao I question what looks like a waste of money on ETSU's part and I am the bad guy, gotcha. Again if it was a leftover mess from Mullins that is one thing and entirely possible, but if it was Sander's decision it was a bad one, period.

(03-15-2015 05:39 PM)RodShaw2 Wrote:  

(03-15-2015 05:20 PM)CaptainJackAubrey Wrote:  Why are we worrying about the nuances of stuff that we have NO inside knowledge of?

We wanted him gone. PRESTO! He's gone. We should celebrate!

Rod's comments sound remarkably armchair quarterback. The intricacies of contracts and job performance and funding and donor bases is all interwoven. Can't just pick one thing and jump up and down about it. Lot of factors influencing this decision beyond a specific number of wins.

No Rod's comments sound remarkably like someone who thinks it was stupid to give Bartow a contract extension if you were having doubts about his performance (Sander, not me said we haven't been competing for the last 3-4 years, NOT ME). If it was a rollover deal he had no control over that is one thing, not his fault. BucFaithful is the one who brought up donor pressure, again not me, I was just saying that is pretty stupid reason as well, if the donor were pressuring him to keep Bartow last year where were those donors this year when he decided to fire him, if the donors were putting pressure on him then he should have put it back on them to underwrite it. No we probably won't know why Bartow was extended but I do think it was waste of 360,000 dollars that ETSU had lots of better uses for. Happy to get rid of Bartow, not happy having to pay him for a new contract that he will not work 1 day of, sounds like a Mullins move.

Bartow may have been performing to an acceptable level at the time the contract was extended but he sure wasn't this year. It was a bad one considering the talent we had. The loss at Furman, at home to UNCG, bounced in the tourney by a team we had beaten 17 straight times, the push of the student athlete at Wofford...I could go on and on. I respect leadership for having the fortitude to make the decision they did. The basketball program brings a great deal of visibility to the university and we deserve better. We had a mention yesterday during the VCU/Davidson CBS broadcast when the announcers were questioning VCU's difficult strength of schedule rank. They said ANYONE could beat East Tennessee State and UM-Eastern Shore. Just not acceptable.

No need to take it personal - don't think you're a bad guy. I just don't think it's as black/white as you make it appear. Plus, I don't know if ETSU wasted any money (more assumptions): a) maybe a donor will foot the bill to remove him; or b) if Bartow signs a contract it's possible that we're not contractually obligated to pay him 360K.

(03-15-2015 06:05 PM)KDRBuc98 Wrote:  

(03-15-2015 05:39 PM)RodShaw2 Wrote:  

(03-15-2015 05:20 PM)CaptainJackAubrey Wrote:  Why are we worrying about the nuances of stuff that we have NO inside knowledge of?

We wanted him gone. PRESTO! He's gone. We should celebrate!

Rod's comments sound remarkably armchair quarterback. The intricacies of contracts and job performance and funding and donor bases is all interwoven. Can't just pick one thing and jump up and down about it. Lot of factors influencing this decision beyond a specific number of wins.

No Rod's comments sound remarkably like someone who thinks it was stupid to give Bartow a contract extension if you were having doubts about his performance (Sander, not me said we haven't been competing for the last 3-4 years, NOT ME). If it was a rollover deal he had no control over that is one thing, not his fault. BucFaithful is the one who brought up donor pressure, again not me, I was just saying that is pretty stupid reason as well, if the donor were pressuring him to keep Bartow last year where were those donors this year when he decided to fire him, if the donors were putting pressure on him then he should have put it back on them to underwrite it. No we probably won't know why Bartow was extended but I do think it was waste of 360,000 dollars that ETSU had lots of better uses for. Happy to get rid of Bartow, not happy having to pay him for a new contract that he will not work 1 day of, sounds like a Mullins move.

Bartow may have been performing to an acceptable level at the time the contract was extended but he sure wasn't this year. It was a bad one considering the talent we had. The loss at Furman, at home to UNCG, bounced in the tourney by a team we had beaten 17 straight times, the push of the student athlete at Wofford...I could go on and on. I respect leadership for having the fortitude to make the decision they did. The basketball program brings a great deal of visibility to the university and we deserve better. We had a mention yesterday during the VCU/Davidson CBS broadcast when the announcers were questioning VCU's difficult strength of schedule rank. They said ANYONE could beat East Tennessee State and UM-Eastern Shore. Just not acceptable.

Yes. No basketball expert here, but this program took a nosedive with no visible evidence of avoiding a big time crash next year. Something seriously bad happened the last third of this season that was only going to escalate into next season. Sander had to act, in my opinion. He probably calculates that he can recover the $360K with some good money games, increased donations, etc., etc. After all, he's a basketball guy with many contacts and administrative basketball knowledge.

It says if Bartow gets a new job we are off the hook. Does that only apply to a basketball/sports related job? I know Tennessee had to keep paying Fulmer for 4 years even though he was working as an advisor to some banking/investing firm in Knoxville.

Bartow will be paid his $180,000 annual base salary in monthly installments for the next two years unless he gets another job, in which case ETSU’s obligation ends.

(03-15-2015 06:57 PM)RodShaw2 Wrote:  It says if Bartow gets a new job we are off the hook, at least for part of salary. Does that only apply to a basketball/sports related job? I know Tennessee had to keep paying Fulmer for 4 years even though he was working as an advisor to some banking/investing firm in Knoxville.

Speaking of paying Fulmer, is ETSU still paying him?

(03-15-2015 06:57 PM)RodShaw2 Wrote:  It says if Bartow gets a new job we are off the hook. Does that only apply to a basketball/sports related job? I know Tennessee had to keep paying Fulmer for 4 years even though he was working as an advisor to some banking/investing firm in Knoxville.

Bartow will be paid his $180,000 annual base salary in monthly installments for the next two years unless he gets another job, in which case ETSU’s obligation ends.

It has to be a coaching job. He can work for ESPN as an analyst, run basketball camps, coaching clinics, do paid appearances, etc... even consulting work. But to keep ETSU paying him, he can't coach for two years.

(03-15-2015 06:57 PM)RodShaw2 Wrote:  It says if Bartow gets a new job we are off the hook. Does that only apply to a basketball/sports related job? I know Tennessee had to keep paying Fulmer for 4 years even though he was working as an advisor to some banking/investing firm in Knoxville.

Bartow will be paid his $180,000 annual base salary in monthly installments for the next two years unless he gets another job, in which case ETSU’s obligation ends.

When we hired Jim Foster for our women's bb job, OSU was still on the hook for the amount of his contract we weren't paying him. We pay him something like $170,000 or in that ballpark and OSU is picking up about $400,000 per year for the last two years and another year or so...its possible that if Murray took a job that paid him below $180,000 yall might have to pay the delta.....