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RE: Dance Card Update - Tulsa is now projected to make the field
(03-14-2015 08:55 PM)_C2_ Wrote:  But VCU has no football, so it's a better fit.

Its better travel in the A-10. But if we added VCU and Wichita to this conference---we would be a far superior place for a basketball centric school like VCU.

UConn
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With improving programs in the bottom half. There were no blow-outs in the AAC tourney. That's 7 teams who challenge for a bid every year with a couple from the middle who could be similar in a few years.
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RE: Dance Card Update - Tulsa is now projected to make the field
Temple a basketball flagship? What have they done since Chaney left (yeah, yeah, yeah what has UH done since Lewis)? The A-10 flagship was Xavier, followed by perhaps Dayton.
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(03-14-2015 09:02 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  
(03-14-2015 08:55 PM)_C2_ Wrote:  But VCU has no football, so it's a better fit.

Its better travel in the A-10. But if we added VCU and Wichita to this conference---we would be a far superior place for a basketball centric school like VCU.

UConn
Cinci
Memphis
Temple
SMU
VCU
Wichita

With improving programs in the bottom half. There were no blow-outs in the AAC tourney. That's 7 teams who challenge for a bid every year with a couple from the middle who could be similar in a few years.

But WHY would they leave where they are? Wichita has decades of history and closer opponents in the MVC and VCU has closer opponents and schools with similar profiles. And both have made the Final Four and gotten very high seeds there or in similar leagues.
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(03-14-2015 09:03 PM)_C2_ Wrote:  Temple a basketball flagship? What have they done since Chaney left (yeah, yeah, yeah what has UH done since Lewis)? The A-10 flagship was Xavier, followed by perhaps Dayton.

You can think what you want to think. Until last year, the Owls made the dance every year of Dunphy's tenure. The Owls are in the top 10 wins in the nation, all-time. Kansas wasn't the first Top 10 program that Temple has beaten recently. In fact, knocking off Top 10 teams at Temple has become a regular occurrence.

You know jack ****.
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(03-14-2015 09:07 PM)_C2_ Wrote:  But WHY would they leave where they are? Wichita has decades of history and closer opponents in the MVC and VCU has closer opponents a schools with similar profiles. And both have made the Final Four and gotten very high seeds there or in similar leagues.

Better neighborhood.
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That's great (for the record I knew of their NCAA streak). But how did that make them the flagship of the A-10 all those years? Like I said, Xavier was.
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(03-14-2015 09:09 PM)_C2_ Wrote:  That's great (for the record I knew of their NCAA streak). But how did that make them the flagship of the A-10 all those years?

You mentioned Chaney. That speaks to BRAND. If you don't think the Temple brand is known wider nationally, then that's fine. You're just showing your ass.
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Where did I say they weren't, you said Temple was the A-10 flagship? During much of the Chaney era, at least for the time I remember, they often wouldn't even start playing well till March, struggling through a tough non-conference before getting hot in March and running into Duke. 03-banghead
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(03-14-2015 09:16 PM)_C2_ Wrote:  Where did I say they weren't, you said Temple was the A-10 flagship? During much of the Chaney era, at least for the time I remember, they often wouldn't even start playing well till March, struggling through a tough non-conference before getting hot in March and running into Duke. 03-banghead

When Xavier gets ahead of Temple on the Top 10 All-Time list, then they can say that when we shared a conference they were the flagship. However, Temple was the cornerstone of that conference and that has been referenced in the media countless times.

You are welcome to your own opinion though. 04-cheers
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(03-14-2015 09:09 PM)_C2_ Wrote:  That's great (for the record I knew of their NCAA streak). But how did that make them the flagship of the A-10 all those years? Like I said, Xavier was.

Depending on how you define flagship, under Dunphy Temple has won both the regular season championship twice (2010 and 2012) and tournament championship 3 times (2008, 2009, 2010).

In two of those season (2010 and 2012) they earned a 5th seed in the bracket, while also earning a 7th seed. I'd say that Temple has held it's own nationally under Dunphy in the A10 to give it national respect.
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(03-14-2015 09:20 PM)BigEastHomer Wrote:  
(03-14-2015 09:16 PM)_C2_ Wrote:  Where did I say they weren't, you said Temple was the A-10 flagship? During much of the Chaney era, at least for the time I remember, they often wouldn't even start playing well till March, struggling through a tough non-conference before getting hot in March and running into Duke. 03-banghead

When Xavier gets ahead of Temple on the Top 10 All-Time list, then they can say that when we shared a conference they were the flagship. However, Temple was the cornerstone of that conference and that has been referenced in the media countless times.

You are welcome to your own opinion though. 04-cheers

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(03-14-2015 09:25 PM)sfink16 Wrote:  
(03-14-2015 09:09 PM)_C2_ Wrote:  That's great (for the record I knew of their NCAA streak). But how did that make them the flagship of the A-10 all those years? Like I said, Xavier was.

Depending on how you define flagship, under Dunphy Temple has won both the regular season championship twice (2010 and 2012) and tournament championship 3 times (2008, 2009, 2010).

In two of those season (2010 and 2012) they earned a 5th seed in the bracket, while also earning a 7th seed. I'd say that Temple has held it's own nationally under Dunphy in the A10 to give it national respect.

But he said Temple was the flagship, almost as if it was undisputed. If you wanna know what a unquestioned flagship was, look at Cincinnati basketball in the first version of C-USA or Kansas in the Big 12.
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(03-14-2015 09:31 PM)_C2_ Wrote:  
(03-14-2015 09:25 PM)sfink16 Wrote:  
(03-14-2015 09:09 PM)_C2_ Wrote:  That's great (for the record I knew of their NCAA streak). But how did that make them the flagship of the A-10 all those years? Like I said, Xavier was.

Depending on how you define flagship, under Dunphy Temple has won both the regular season championship twice (2010 and 2012) and tournament championship 3 times (2008, 2009, 2010).

In two of those season (2010 and 2012) they earned a 5th seed in the bracket, while also earning a 7th seed. I'd say that Temple has held it's own nationally under Dunphy in the A10 to give it national respect.

But he said Temple was the flagship, almost as if it was undisputed. If you wanna know what a unquestioned flagship was, look at Cincinnati basketball in the first version of C-USA or Kansas in the Big 12.

I think there's no doubt. IMO, flagship has everything to do with the most prominent brand (aka the flag.. visibility). Just like Texas is still the flagship of the Big 12 even though Baylor has won the last 2 titles. Baylor isn't even close to being the flagship of that conference.
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(03-14-2015 09:28 PM)_C2_ Wrote:  
(03-14-2015 09:20 PM)BigEastHomer Wrote:  
(03-14-2015 09:16 PM)_C2_ Wrote:  Where did I say they weren't, you said Temple was the A-10 flagship? During much of the Chaney era, at least for the time I remember, they often wouldn't even start playing well till March, struggling through a tough non-conference before getting hot in March and running into Duke. 03-banghead

When Xavier gets ahead of Temple on the Top 10 All-Time list, then they can say that when we shared a conference they were the flagship. However, Temple was the cornerstone of that conference and that has been referenced in the media countless times.

You are welcome to your own opinion though. 04-cheers

I don't really feel like arguing, so I'll let you win. 04-cheers

Homer is correct about Temple's all-time results, but still, despite that venerable history they have for some reason always been kind of under the radar, never have had true flagship prominence.
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(03-14-2015 09:55 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  Homer is correct about Temple's all-time results, but still, despite that venerable history they have for some reason always been kind of under the radar, never have had true flagship prominence.

lmao. And Guy V. was never Hall of Fame worthy... (Hey quo, he's in the HOF now)..

This is devolving into a Less Filling, Tastes Great debate, and we know which conference quo roots for (the same one Xavier is in).
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(03-14-2015 10:02 PM)BigEastHomer Wrote:  This is devolving into a Less Filling, Tastes Great debate
Ah, the '70s… will they ever completely go away?
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(03-14-2015 09:31 PM)_C2_ Wrote:  
(03-14-2015 09:25 PM)sfink16 Wrote:  
(03-14-2015 09:09 PM)_C2_ Wrote:  That's great (for the record I knew of their NCAA streak). But how did that make them the flagship of the A-10 all those years? Like I said, Xavier was.

Depending on how you define flagship, under Dunphy Temple has won both the regular season championship twice (2010 and 2012) and tournament championship 3 times (2008, 2009, 2010).

In two of those season (2010 and 2012) they earned a 5th seed in the bracket, while also earning a 7th seed. I'd say that Temple has held it's own nationally under Dunphy in the A10 to give it national respect.

But he said Temple was the flagship, almost as if it was undisputed. If you wanna know what a unquestioned flagship was, look at Cincinnati basketball in the first version of C-USA or Kansas in the Big 12.

What's funny is the fact the Xavier fans considered them the "flagship". They would put it in their signatures on the A10 board.

Temple was the flagship program in the A10 over the long haul. When both Temple and Xavier were in the A10 is was close. Objectively speaking, the Muskies were definitely better overall in the 2000's. Matta, Miller and Mack were excellent coaches. They have two Elite 8's and a few recent Sweet 16's while Temple has done nothing in the tourney the last decade plus. I'm also jealous of their fan support. The Cintas Center rocks for nearly every game....

But once again, historically, Temple was the banner program in the A10. St. Joe's, GWU and Dayton had their moments too but Temple was the rock...
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The A-10 didn't really have a single flagship, as St. Joes, George Washington, UMass, and most especially Temple, Dayton and Xavier all took turns dominating. That said, no one over the last 15 years has made more noise out of the A-10 than Xavier.

Meanwhile Fordham, Doo-kane, St. Bonaventue and La Salle virtually don't exist (yeah, yeah, yeah, La Salle just made the Sweet 16 a couple years back). They should add Detroit Mercy, they've been solid for decades. Maybe they're just scared of going to Detroit.
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(03-14-2015 10:44 PM)_C2_ Wrote:  The A-10 didn't really have a single flagship, as St. Joes, George Washington, UMass, and most especially Temple, Dayton and Xavier all took turns dominating. That said, no one over the last 15 years has made more noise out of the A-10 than Xavier.

Meanwhile Fordham, Doo-kane, St. Bonaventue and La Salle virtually don't exist (yeah, yeah, yeah, La Salle just made the Sweet 16 a couple years back). They should add Detroit Mercy, they've been solid for decades. Maybe they're just scared of going to Detroit.

Again, flagship is about brand. Standings change from year to year. That's just the nature of competition.

With 3 'Big 5' teams in the A10, while Temple was there (coupled with Temple's record 27 'Big 5' titles, which also includes Nova), Temple held a very special place among that conference membership. Philly basketball has been a huge part of the culture of that league, and the Owls stood out as the heart and soul.
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(03-14-2015 09:28 PM)_C2_ Wrote:  
(03-14-2015 09:20 PM)BigEastHomer Wrote:  
(03-14-2015 09:16 PM)_C2_ Wrote:  Where did I say they weren't, you said Temple was the A-10 flagship? During much of the Chaney era, at least for the time I remember, they often wouldn't even start playing well till March, struggling through a tough non-conference before getting hot in March and running into Duke. 03-banghead

When Xavier gets ahead of Temple on the Top 10 All-Time list, then they can say that when we shared a conference they were the flagship. However, Temple was the cornerstone of that conference and that has been referenced in the media countless times.

You are welcome to your own opinion though. 04-cheers

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