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RE: Last night's attendance
(03-13-2015 09:57 AM)hooverblazer Wrote:  From a crowd perspective on Saturday (if we win tonight), would you rather play MTSU for greater overall attendance or would you rather play UTEP so that UAB has all of the crowd for a 100% home court advantage?

Even with MTSU, we would still have 70 to 80% of the crowd, so we would have true home court advantage.

to have true home court advantage at the BJCC, you have to have around 12-13,000. The seats are so far away from the court compared to Bartow.

The loudest sound I ever heard made by human voices was made at the BJCC when UAB played Virginia in 1982. So deafening that you became disoriented. I was sitting in the lower deck underneath the upper deck overhang, and the sound was trapped in there. Almost a frightening experience.
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(03-13-2015 09:53 AM)stc Wrote:  
(03-13-2015 08:19 AM)58-56 Wrote:  
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(03-13-2015 07:57 AM)58-56 Wrote:  Losing Brian Mackin is a big factor in attendance. He had his flaws, many of them, but he knew how to glad-hand sponsors (the ones who'll buy blocks of tickets). He would have been worth many more tickets sold, instead of just the one.

58-56, what would your thoughts be on how Murray Barrow would as AD

I've known Murry since high school, but never very well. I do like Murry personally. As for putting him in Mackin's chair:

On the plus side:

* He does share Mackin's affinity for the rich, and would handle donors well.

* The last name. He could re-energize the surviving Friends of Gene.

* He's good with details, and well-organized. He works hard.

* He knows everyone, and plays a great game of golf (this has declined drastically in the real business world, but remains a valuable skill in athletics dealings).

* He is fiercely pro-UAB. On December 2nd he would have beaten Ray Watts senseless with the little blue water bottle. He would never remain silent in the face of such evil.

On the minus side:

* He does try but he's just not, in my experience, that personable particularly with those who are not wealthy.

* He gets frustrated easily and shows it, and comes off as childish and petulant. Gene could bring the rage when he wanted to.

* He's spent the last 30-whatever years on basketball benches, not in business. Athletics is less and less about the games and more and more about the money.

* He's been out of the UAB loop for years.

The Izell Tapes show a Mackin very familiar with the notion that he has to report to the Trustees (which is, by any measure, both bizarre and a direct SACS violation). Any outside AD hire is going to find that weird and awkward.

I truly believe that any AD hired under Ray Watts is simply a caretaker who'll be tasked with winding down athletics. As the new AD under a new president (and I strongly believe Murry would never work for a man who, metaphorically, has pissed on his father's grave), Murry would represent a connection to our glory years and, for all his flaws, would be the best signal possible that UAB athletics is free of Board and presidential interference.

So with the caveats listed regarding maturity and real-world business experience, I would favor a Murry hire, yes. I would write an endorsement if he asked.

Very informative post. I've spoken with Murray several times and he was always very polite and talkative. I had been thinking of him as the possible AD for a month. I believed his tenure at ETSU was going to end despite the fact it was a respectable run. They almost beat 1 seed Kentucky as a 16 seed one year.

That was excellent 58-56
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(03-13-2015 10:00 AM)Memphis Blazer Wrote:  
(03-13-2015 09:57 AM)hooverblazer Wrote:  From a crowd perspective on Saturday (if we win tonight), would you rather play MTSU for greater overall attendance or would you rather play UTEP so that UAB has all of the crowd for a 100% home court advantage?

Even with MTSU, we would still have 70 to 80% of the crowd, so we would have true home court advantage.

to have true home court advantage at the BJCC, you have to have around 12-13,000. The seats are so far away from the court compared to Bartow.

The loudest sound I ever heard made by human voices was made at the BJCC when UAB played Virginia in 1982. So deafening that you became disoriented. I was sitting in the lower deck underneath the upper deck overhang, and the sound was trapped in there. Almost a frightening experience.

I know the feeling... And good explanation of it. In 2008 when UAB played #1 Memphis at Bartow, my dad and I had seats towards the top. The sound got trapped, like you said, and it was LOUD. Loudest sports event I've ever been at, including football games with 100,000 plus.
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(03-13-2015 11:52 AM)blazinrunner Wrote:  
(03-13-2015 10:00 AM)Memphis Blazer Wrote:  
(03-13-2015 09:57 AM)hooverblazer Wrote:  From a crowd perspective on Saturday (if we win tonight), would you rather play MTSU for greater overall attendance or would you rather play UTEP so that UAB has all of the crowd for a 100% home court advantage?

Even with MTSU, we would still have 70 to 80% of the crowd, so we would have true home court advantage.

to have true home court advantage at the BJCC, you have to have around 12-13,000. The seats are so far away from the court compared to Bartow.

The loudest sound I ever heard made by human voices was made at the BJCC when UAB played Virginia in 1982. So deafening that you became disoriented. I was sitting in the lower deck underneath the upper deck overhang, and the sound was trapped in there. Almost a frightening experience.

I know the feeling... And good explanation of it. In 2008 when UAB played #1 Memphis at Bartow, my dad and I had seats towards the top. The sound got trapped, like you said, and it was LOUD. Loudest sports event I've ever been at, including football games with 100,000 plus.

That game was so loud. Bartow has a fantastic atmosphere when it is sold out.
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(03-13-2015 11:59 AM)blazers9911 Wrote:  
(03-13-2015 11:52 AM)blazinrunner Wrote:  
(03-13-2015 10:00 AM)Memphis Blazer Wrote:  
(03-13-2015 09:57 AM)hooverblazer Wrote:  From a crowd perspective on Saturday (if we win tonight), would you rather play MTSU for greater overall attendance or would you rather play UTEP so that UAB has all of the crowd for a 100% home court advantage?

Even with MTSU, we would still have 70 to 80% of the crowd, so we would have true home court advantage.

to have true home court advantage at the BJCC, you have to have around 12-13,000. The seats are so far away from the court compared to Bartow.

The loudest sound I ever heard made by human voices was made at the BJCC when UAB played Virginia in 1982. So deafening that you became disoriented. I was sitting in the lower deck underneath the upper deck overhang, and the sound was trapped in there. Almost a frightening experience.

I know the feeling... And good explanation of it. In 2008 when UAB played #1 Memphis at Bartow, my dad and I had seats towards the top. The sound got trapped, like you said, and it was LOUD. Loudest sports event I've ever been at, including football games with 100,000 plus.

That game was so loud. Bartow has a fantastic atmosphere when it is sold out.

That Memphis game was unique and it was very LOUD.
I was about 3 rows from top also in front of the TV camera in upper level. Very loud.
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Also the time when UAB played DePaul at the BJCC back in the day with Ray Meyer coaching and Tyrone Corbin played.
Very loud Sunday afternoon game on CBS.
Sold out BJCC.
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Telling people here to get a ticket is not the issue. It's the City of Birmingham you need to get the word out to.
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RE: Last night's attendance
(03-13-2015 12:29 PM)dragonbreath Wrote:  Also the time when UAB played DePaul at the BJCC back in the day with Ray Meyer coaching and Tyrone Corbin played.
Very loud Sunday afternoon game on CBS.
Sold out BJCC.

Sat on the very top row at that game.
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(03-13-2015 12:57 PM)the_blazerman Wrote:  
(03-13-2015 12:29 PM)dragonbreath Wrote:  Also the time when UAB played DePaul at the BJCC back in the day with Ray Meyer coaching and Tyrone Corbin played.
Very loud Sunday afternoon game on CBS.
Sold out BJCC.

Sat on the very top row at that game.

Very special era then in UAB basketball after only 4 years of existance. 16,000+ was the norm for those games, glad I was a part of that era, younger generation missed out.
Dickie V always mentions UAB as one of the amazing feats of college basketball. How fast it grew from creation.
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16000+ was not the norm. We averaged 7000 to 9000 in those years.
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(03-13-2015 01:07 PM)Memphis Blazer Wrote:  16000+ was not the norm. We averaged 7000 to 9000 in those years.

Since that was 30 + years ago , my memory is slipping.
Thanks, but I remember the big games did.
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Big games were around 13,000 with the Depaul games bringing in the full crowd.
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(03-13-2015 01:07 PM)Memphis Blazer Wrote:  16000+ was not the norm. We averaged 7000 to 9000 in those years.

My question is where are those people? Even 7 or 9k is far better than where we are now. We're there really a good 3-5k UAB supporters mad about the Bartow letter to the NCAA about UA? Or what is your thought on where those several thousand folks went?
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(03-13-2015 01:57 PM)Blazer85 Wrote:  
(03-13-2015 01:07 PM)Memphis Blazer Wrote:  16000+ was not the norm. We averaged 7000 to 9000 in those years.

My question is where are those people? Even 7 or 9k is far better than where we are now. We're there really a good 3-5k UAB supporters mad about the Bartow letter to the NCAA about UA? Or what is your thought on where those several thousand folks went?

It is a combination of things:

- So many more games available on TV now

- UAB's quality of opponent has gone way down. The conference UAB was in helped the attendance a lot. No offense meant to current CUSA schools, but some of the teams playing at the BJCC at the time were a lot bigger basketball draws than FIU/FAU/etc. We went from multi bid conferences to a single bid CUSA to an even worse single bid CUSA. This is why football was so important to keeping basketball relevant.

- I think the Bartow letter + some animosity in the last couple decades have had something to do with a drop in your every day fan attending UAB basketball games. It also has to do with the fact that the state of Alabama just cares less about basketball now. No one in the state has really been very relevant for years.

- We're not making the NCAAs year in and year out like the 80s. That was a golden time that will probably never be emulated unless we get on a big VCU or Wichita St. style run. Going to the NCAA's 8 times and NIT 3 times in 12 years will net you pretty good attendance.
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Replace "BJCC" with "Legion Field" in this thread.

Now multiply the crowd numbers by 3.

Change the word "basketball" to "football".

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(03-13-2015 02:55 PM)Shrack Wrote:  
(03-13-2015 01:57 PM)Blazer85 Wrote:  
(03-13-2015 01:07 PM)Memphis Blazer Wrote:  16000+ was not the norm. We averaged 7000 to 9000 in those years.

My question is where are those people? Even 7 or 9k is far better than where we are now. We're there really a good 3-5k UAB supporters mad about the Bartow letter to the NCAA about UA? Or what is your thought on where those several thousand folks went?

It is a combination of things:

- So many more games available on TV now

- UAB's quality of opponent has gone way down. The conference UAB was in helped the attendance a lot. No offense meant to current CUSA schools, but some of the teams playing at the BJCC at the time were a lot bigger basketball draws than FIU/FAU/etc. We went from multi bid conferences to a single bid CUSA to an even worse single bid CUSA. This is why football was so important to keeping basketball relevant.

- I think the Bartow letter + some animosity in the last couple decades have had something to do with a drop in your every day fan attending UAB basketball games. It also has to do with the fact that the state of Alabama just cares less about basketball now. No one in the state has really been very relevant for years.

- We're not making the NCAAs year in and year out like the 80s. That was a golden time that will probably never be emulated unless we get on a big VCU or Wichita St. style run. Going to the NCAA's 8 times and NIT 3 times in 12 years will net you pretty good attendance.

very good points taken.
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RE: Last night's attendance
(03-13-2015 02:55 PM)Shrack Wrote:  
(03-13-2015 01:57 PM)Blazer85 Wrote:  
(03-13-2015 01:07 PM)Memphis Blazer Wrote:  16000+ was not the norm. We averaged 7000 to 9000 in those years.

My question is where are those people? Even 7 or 9k is far better than where we are now. We're there really a good 3-5k UAB supporters mad about the Bartow letter to the NCAA about UA? Or what is your thought on where those several thousand folks went?

It is a combination of things:

- So many more games available on TV now

- UAB's quality of opponent has gone way down. The conference UAB was in helped the attendance a lot. No offense meant to current CUSA schools, but some of the teams playing at the BJCC at the time were a lot bigger basketball draws than FIU/FAU/etc. We went from multi bid conferences to a single bid CUSA to an even worse single bid CUSA. This is why football was so important to keeping basketball relevant.

- I think the Bartow letter + some animosity in the last couple decades have had something to do with a drop in your every day fan attending UAB basketball games. It also has to do with the fact that the state of Alabama just cares less about basketball now. No one in the state has really been very relevant for years.

- We're not making the NCAAs year in and year out like the 80s. That was a golden time that will probably never be emulated unless we get on a big VCU or Wichita St. style run. Going to the NCAA's 8 times and NIT 3 times in 12 years will net you pretty good attendance.

I think that it was primarily the Bartow letter drove many fans away after it was leaked. While the quality of the teams did go down, we were in the Sunbelt so except for a big game or so every year, the quality of our opponents game in and game out was not great in the early years. We actually had better opponents later when we joined C-USA.

The letter was leaked about the same time the arena on campus (now Bartow Arena) was opened. Until it opened I bought single game tickets because tickets were always available at the BJCC. However, when the arena opened I bought season tickets for the first time because I was afraid I would no longer be able to get tickets for every game due to the smaller seating capacity of the arena. While I don't regret getting season tickets that year or ever since, I remember thinking that first season in the arena, "where did all of the people go. I didn't need season tickets after all."

I figured that out later when I talked to a lot of folks who had strong Alabama football ties, but had previously purchased UAB basketball season tickets. They were deeply offended when they learned that Gene had accused the god of their religion of essentially creating an atmosphere which condoned cheating and they vowed to never go to another UAB basketball game.

The issue came up again later when we played Alabama in the Tuscaloosa the NIT. Some of those same people refused to go to that game even to support the Tide. Many other Alabama fans stayed away because they were afraid that if too many people attended the game, it would have the effect of forcing the two schools to play every year for the revenue the game would bring in if for nothing else. They thought an annual game would benefit UAB more than Alabama. I remember this phenomenon discussed in the media at the time.

Consequently when a big contingent of UAB fans traveled to T-town for the game, Alabama didn't have near the home court advantage you would have expected. 58-56! While walking out of Coleman with my wife I noticed Alan Ogg walking out besides us - he had graduated a year or two before and was hard to miss. I asked him what would have happened if he had played in the game. He said, "We would have killed them!" I didn't see Alan again until the ceremony where the first class was inducted into the UAB Hall of Fame. He was alone and my wife and I talked to him briefly. When he died a few months later we were shocked.

Opps - that turned into a walk down memory lane.
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I think that the two biggest factors are that there is a heck of a lot more to keep your attention these days (not to mention NBA/NCAA games on in high-def nightly) than what used to drive so many Birminghamians to go watch a UAB basketball game and also that the relevance of basketball in the state has precipitously declined since the
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Another thing that hasn't been mentioned is people have always liked being on TV. ESPN was in its very infancy and didn't have contracts with the big conferences. Theygot their start by partnering with Sun Belt. People came to the games because their wasn't excitement about the game on national TV.

Espn has since moved on leaving the smaller conference behind.
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Crowd tonight is not as good as last night's. The 5:30 tip hurt attendance.
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