(03-13-2015 03:47 PM)WIowl Wrote:  Rice would move to either MWC or AAC, with AAC as the first choice to rejoin with SMU, Houston, and Tulane. The admin is positioning the school for a move when options beomce available. I'd like to see Rice move with UTEP to the MWC.

Yep.

They would be better off in the MWC, and the MWC would be better off to get into Texas.

Only, if you're going to partake of the Texas apple, don't nibble. Take a huge bite. Get the SA/Hou/Dall markets all at once. They will take all 4.


A MWC-16 makes a lot of geographic sense with 2 divisions on each side of the Rockies.

Hawaii
San Diego State
Fresno State
San Jose State
UNLV
Nevada
Boise State
Utah State

Wyoming
Colorado State
Air Force
New Mexico
UTEP
UTSA
Rice
North Texas

The market strategy will be a failure when teams that CUSA passed over like GS,App,ULL and Ark St play in the G5 bowl a couple of times. At that point, CUSA would have lost money as a result of not adding these schools. Until that happens it is probably a wash.

(03-12-2015 05:17 PM)panama Wrote:  One AD who quite shockingly (not really) is in Nashville area is pushing Liberty and JMU. He wants more travel friendly (for him) schools added.

Then why is he not mentioning Georgia State?

(03-13-2015 04:39 PM)GSU Eagles Wrote:  The market strategy will be a failure when teams that CUSA passed over like GS,App,ULL and Ark St play in the G5 bowl a couple of times. At that point, CUSA would have lost money as a result of not adding these schools. Until that happens it is probably a wash.

We were dead last G5 this year and they finished second. Whatever strategy they chose seems to be working out ok...

(03-13-2015 05:22 PM)GeauxUL Wrote:  

(03-13-2015 04:39 PM)GSU Eagles Wrote:  The market strategy will be a failure when teams that CUSA passed over like GS,App,ULL and Ark St play in the G5 bowl a couple of times. At that point, CUSA would have lost money as a result of not adding these schools. Until that happens it is probably a wash.

We were dead last G5 this year and they finished second. Whatever strategy they chose seems to be working out ok...

It won't stop the inevitable dropoff in their TV deal, which is supposed to be the reason for acquiring markets in the first place.

(03-13-2015 05:22 PM)GeauxUL Wrote:  

(03-13-2015 04:39 PM)GSU Eagles Wrote:  The market strategy will be a failure when teams that CUSA passed over like GS,App,ULL and Ark St play in the G5 bowl a couple of times. At that point, CUSA would have lost money as a result of not adding these schools. Until that happens it is probably a wash.

We were dead last G5 this year and they finished second. Whatever strategy they chose seems to be working out ok...

At the end of the day are they better off with MTSU, FAU, FIU, WKU, NT or GS, App, ULL, Ark St, GaSt?

I think the second group will be better in football with one possibly having a Boise type run. I don't see any chance of that from the first group.

(03-13-2015 03:12 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  

(03-13-2015 02:49 PM)SoCalBobcat78 Wrote:  

(03-13-2015 12:01 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  

(03-12-2015 02:02 PM)Crump1 Wrote:  Someone admitting what some of us have said in the face of ignorance for years. TV sets in a market mean nothing if those sets never turn to a team in that market.

JMU most certainly wouldn't be a market addition. The city is smaller than Jonesboro and metro area the same.

JMU has about 30,000 alumni who live in a 30 mile radius of the Washington, D.C. city center. That was attractive, along with their facilities, their academics and the fact that their FCS football program is pretty good.

It is always better to have a large TV market, but if the product on the field or court is not interesting, the TV ratings will not be there. If you live in New York, there must be a hundred better things to do than watch the Knicks play.

30k. So if 100% of them tune into a JMU telecast it would draw a rating of 0.5 in the DC TV market.

I remember the Troy AD calling JMU "the plum out there" and that "the D.C. television market would be a huge asset to our league as well." That is the attraction of JMU. Even as a FCS program they get radio coverage through out Virginia, including the D.C. area.

JMU is 120 miles from D.C and 120 miles from Richmond, the state capitol. The D.C. TV market is the 9th largest in the country and if the Sun Belt can get access to that market in any way that would be huge.

(03-13-2015 06:15 PM)GSU Eagles Wrote:  

(03-13-2015 05:22 PM)GeauxUL Wrote:  [quote='GSU Eagles' pid='11873112' dateline='1426282750']
The market strategy will be a failure when teams that CUSA passed over like GS,App,ULL and Ark St play in the G5 bowl a couple of times. At that point, CUSA would have lost money as a result of not adding these schools. Until that happens it is probably a wash.

We were dead last G5 this year and they finished second. Whatever strategy they chose seems to be working out ok...

At the end of the day are they better off with MTSU, FAU, FIU, WKU, NT or GS, App, ULL, Ark St, GaSt?

I think the second group will be better in football with one possibly having a Boise type run. I don't see any chance of that from the first group.
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id still rather have the first set of teams over the additions of Georgia state, Idaho snd NMSU. You can't cherry pick the good teams and leave off the terrible additions. Bottom line is any conference has a shot at landing a team in a G5 bowl. Unfortunately were the only conference to never place a team in the top 25.

No it just means that people are starting to pay attention. We knew it would just take time and progress and both are helping.

(03-13-2015 05:22 PM)GeauxUL Wrote:  

(03-13-2015 04:39 PM)GSU Eagles Wrote:  The market strategy will be a failure when teams that CUSA passed over like GS,App,ULL and Ark St play in the G5 bowl a couple of times. At that point, CUSA would have lost money as a result of not adding these schools. Until that happens it is probably a wash.

We were dead last G5 this year and they finished second. Whatever strategy they chose seems to be working out ok...

And the year before, weren't they dead last while we were first?

It's way too early to say whether their model is working or not anyway. Let's look at it in 5 years to see which approach worked best (and even then, that's way too premature).

(03-13-2015 06:52 PM)GeauxUL Wrote:  

(03-13-2015 06:15 PM)GSU Eagles Wrote:  

(03-13-2015 05:22 PM)GeauxUL Wrote:  [quote='GSU Eagles' pid='11873112' dateline='1426282750']
The market strategy will be a failure when teams that CUSA passed over like GS,App,ULL and Ark St play in the G5 bowl a couple of times. At that point, CUSA would have lost money as a result of not adding these schools. Until that happens it is probably a wash.

We were dead last G5 this year and they finished second. Whatever strategy they chose seems to be working out ok...

At the end of the day are they better off with MTSU, FAU, FIU, WKU, NT or GS, App, ULL, Ark St, GaSt?

I think the second group will be better in football with one possibly having a Boise type run. I don't see any chance of that from the first group.
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id still rather have the first set of teams over the additions of Georgia state, Idaho snd NMSU. You can't cherry pick the good teams and leave off the terrible additions. Bottom line is any conference has a shot at landing a team in a G5 bowl. Unfortunately were the only conference to never place a team in the top 25.

I'm not comparing CUSA vs the SBC overall, but simply stating that since CUSA could cherry pick who they wanted, the choices they made will come back to bite them as I believe the second group will perform much better on the field. As far as the top 25 issue, none of the teams that left the SBC had been in the top 25 so the conference odds of ending that have not decreased.

(03-13-2015 04:20 PM)Crump1 Wrote:  

(03-13-2015 04:14 PM)moehler Wrote:  we are going to find out how good or bad USA strategy is next year when their new tv deal is announced, I'm willing to bet they will not get as nearly a lucrative deal as their current tv contract.

You can look at their TV numbers, their attendance, their recruiting, etc. and see that it isn't making a difference. We have the same issues but evidence is mounting that the market strategy failed as expected.

Not trying to boost them but, compared to what? What exactly is the expectation level and what is it based on? I think the jury is still out and will be for years. And if it's not working why are so many SBC members actively trying to get in there?

(03-13-2015 05:03 PM)Tennessee_Eagle Wrote:  

(03-12-2015 05:17 PM)panama Wrote:  One AD who quite shockingly (not really) is in Nashville area is pushing Liberty and JMU. He wants more travel friendly (for him) schools added.

Then why is he not mentioning Georgia State?

Because he is mentioning schools in VA that are nice travel for his school Charlotte and ODU. Try to keep up.

(03-13-2015 06:52 PM)GeauxUL Wrote:  

(03-13-2015 06:15 PM)GSU Eagles Wrote:  

(03-13-2015 05:22 PM)GeauxUL Wrote:  [quote='GSU Eagles' pid='11873112' dateline='1426282750']
The market strategy will be a failure when teams that CUSA passed over like GS,App,ULL and Ark St play in the G5 bowl a couple of times. At that point, CUSA would have lost money as a result of not adding these schools. Until that happens it is probably a wash.

We were dead last G5 this year and they finished second. Whatever strategy they chose seems to be working out ok...

At the end of the day are they better off with MTSU, FAU, FIU, WKU, NT or GS, App, ULL, Ark St, GaSt?

I think the second group will be better in football with one possibly having a Boise type run. I don't see any chance of that from the first group.
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id still rather have the first set of teams over the additions of Georgia state, Idaho snd NMSU. You can't cherry pick the good teams and leave off the terrible additions. Bottom line is any conference has a shot at landing a team in a G5 bowl. Unfortunately were the only conference to never place a team in the top 25.

All of that is made up hyperbole. 3 years ago Memphis football was circling the drain and barely had 70 scholarship players. Now they are world beaters. You can't predict that. You don't know what additions are good or bad until a decade later. And it's not all about one sport. We are ranked in the 20's as a MBB conference. That is not good. In five years maybe we can say an addition was good or bad.

(03-14-2015 06:46 AM)panama Wrote:  

(03-13-2015 05:03 PM)Tennessee_Eagle Wrote:  

(03-12-2015 05:17 PM)panama Wrote:  One AD who quite shockingly (not really) is in Nashville area is pushing Liberty and JMU. He wants more travel friendly (for him) schools added.

Then why is he not mentioning Georgia State?

Because he is mentioning schools in VA that are nice travel for his school Charlotte and ODU. Try to keep up.

Murfreesboro is 3 hours from Atlanta.
Murfreesboro is 7 hours from Lynchburg.
Murfreesboro is 7.5 hours from Harrisonburg.

(03-14-2015 06:52 AM)GSU Eagles Wrote:  

(03-14-2015 06:46 AM)panama Wrote:  

(03-13-2015 05:03 PM)Tennessee_Eagle Wrote:  

(03-12-2015 05:17 PM)panama Wrote:  One AD who quite shockingly (not really) is in Nashville area is pushing Liberty and JMU. He wants more travel friendly (for him) schools added.

Then why is he not mentioning Georgia State?

Because he is mentioning schools in VA that are nice travel for his school Charlotte and ODU. Try to keep up.

Murfreesboro is 3 hours from Atlanta.
Murfreesboro is 7 hours from Lynchburg.
Murfreesboro is 7.5 hours from Harrisonburg.

Hey, Massaro is the one drinking cocktails and popping off. I agree his logic makes zero sense. I am betting though that he isn't pushing us because they basically live in Atlanta for recruiting.

(03-14-2015 07:08 AM)panama Wrote:  

(03-14-2015 06:52 AM)GSU Eagles Wrote:  

(03-14-2015 06:46 AM)panama Wrote:  

(03-13-2015 05:03 PM)Tennessee_Eagle Wrote:  

(03-12-2015 05:17 PM)panama Wrote:  One AD who quite shockingly (not really) is in Nashville area is pushing Liberty and JMU. He wants more travel friendly (for him) schools added.

Then why is he not mentioning Georgia State?

Because he is mentioning schools in VA that are nice travel for his school Charlotte and ODU. Try to keep up.

Murfreesboro is 3 hours from Atlanta.
Murfreesboro is 7 hours from Lynchburg.
Murfreesboro is 7.5 hours from Harrisonburg.

Hey, Massaro is the one drinking cocktails and popping off. I agree his logic makes zero sense. I am betting though that he isn't pushing us because they basically live in Atlanta for recruiting.

I agree that GaSt and GS are a big threat to MTSU as they rely very heavily on the state of GA for recruiting.

A lot of this is relationships too. Massaro almost seems to be making a point for ODU. Conversely, Levick was so toxic and was a former CUSA AD that nobody would dare couch for us. Cobb will have a long hard job repairing what she deep sixed.

I was reading what Benson said this week. Idaho and NMSU seem to be in question long term. SB could be headed in this direction?

Georgia Southern
Appalachian State
JMU
Liberty
Georgia State
Open Spot


UL Lafayette
Texas State
Arkansas State
South Alabama
UL Monroe
Troy

"While TV markets have driven much of conference realignment, it isn't always as big a factor for conferences like C-USA. In recent years the conference has primarily added schools from bigger markets, though also dipped into areas like Murfreesboro, Tenn. (Middle Tennessee State) and Bowling Green, Ky. (Western Kentucky).

The conference now has six schools in the nation's Top 50 television markets, including Miami, Houston and Charlotte, but its TV rights deal pales in comparison to Power 5 conferences. How popular a school actually is in its market can be just as, if not more, important than the market size.

"We'll have to factor in what's the penetration of that school in that particular TV market and how many sets they turn on," Rice AD Karlgaard said. "You can be in a big market and not turn on many sets, or in a small market and turn on a lot. In that sense, it's a wash."

A prime example is UAB. Birmingham is consistently the top-rated market for college football television viewing, yet the school has had issues with its football game attendance for decades. Just because a city is big, or even if it loves college football like Birmingham, it doesn't make the school itself benefits.

The more important factor could be finding a good geographic fit. The conference has a huge footprint, ranging from Old Dominion in Virginia to Florida International to Texas El-Paso, making traveling a costly endeavor for most schools. C-USA would need to add a school that not only adds to the bottom line, but won't considerably increase travel costs."

Can it be some writers and conference officials are FINALLY coming to their senses in the conference realignment madness? CUSA's CEO's need to kick Banowsky to the curb and replace him with Rice's AD. This guy ctually gets it.