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Athletic consulting firm report
The preliminary report was released. It concluded we need to upgrade our facilities, attract private donors and increase school spirit. All that fo only $35,000. I never did like consultants. They stated 800 students per basketball game needed to be improved. A 27.1 million dollar budget 62% funded by students with an increase of 1.1 million coming to give athletes incidentals per the new NCAA rule. Also stated we need to increase the women participating. The article is in today's PD at Cleveland.com. Final report is still due in the summer.
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Could have came to CSNBBS for that report for FREE! In all seriousness, I like the approach Beverly Warren is taking towards athletics. She admits that she is learning and is gaining the knowledge she needs to make informed decisions.
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Say hello to women's lacrosse. CMU just started a program. They can play at the field hockey facility. Low cost with only about a dozen scholarships and large roster 30+ usually.

That or say goodbye to men's T&F and CC.

There aren't more $ and to keep the football team at a school with a majority female population more men's programs may need to go.

Football, Basketball,Wrestling, Golf, and Baseball are the only safe bets to be around soon for the men. Title IX is another poorly executed federal mandate... 03-banghead
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(03-12-2015 06:18 PM)The Flash Wrote:  Say hello to women's lacrosse. CMU just started a program. They can play at the field hockey facility. Low cost with only about a dozen scholarships and large roster 30+ usually.

That or say goodbye to men's T&F and CC.

There aren't more $ and to keep the football team at a school with a majority female population more men's programs may need to go.

Football, Basketball,Wrestling, Golf, and Baseball are the only safe bets to be around soon for the men. Title XI is another poorly executed federal mandate... 03-banghead

As long as football sticks around I'm happy.
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NOOOO! Football needs to go. Drop a division and let the other sports thrive. Football is such a black hole and stain on our institution. Seriously, what is the worst program academically or athletically at KSU? It has to be football.
03-13-2015 09:20 AM
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The report should state fire Nielson.
03-13-2015 09:21 AM
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Frankly, with the cost of higher education today and the low level of student interest and support for sports, I am surprised that there hasn't been a student movement to reduce or eliminate the student support fees and a push for DII or DIII status .

Good thing that this is not an activist student body... too busy studying and working to pay their way.
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(03-13-2015 09:43 AM)The Flash Wrote:  Frankly, with the cost of higher education today and the low level of student interest and support for sports, I am surprised that there hasn't been a student movement to reduce or eliminate the student support fees and a push for DII or DIII status .

Good thing that this is not an activist student body... too busy studying and working to pay their way.

As a person who has been involved with higher ed institutions I can tell you there is great pressure to start doing a better job at containing costs and not raise tuition. There was an article this week in the Plain Dealer about the amount of debt held by Ohio's university system and it specifically mentions ostentatious spending on the football stadium at UC.
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(03-13-2015 09:43 AM)The Flash Wrote:  Frankly, with the cost of higher education today and the low level of student interest and support for sports, I am surprised that there hasn't been a student movement to reduce or eliminate the student support fees and a push for DII or DIII status .

Good thing that this is not an activist student body... too busy studying and working to pay their way.

Yet the powers to be say if you don't have good sports teams(football and basketball) enrollment is hurt. I have heard high school kids say that is a factor in their decision (both men and women). I wonder what most students really think. It doesn't make sense that they don't attend yet they believe it's important and are willing to pay for it. Something doesn't quite compute.
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(03-13-2015 09:21 AM)KSU 93 Wrote:  The report should state fire Nielson.

We have had enough years now to form some opinions about how he is doing. I'm surprised a thread hasn't been started on this topic. Maybe I'll give it a bit of thought and start one. Right now I see some good and bad. I don't agree with you yet but their has been some deterioration. It will probably all depend on football. After the one great year if we fall back into the doldrums for 5 years things will turn south quickly. The new President is a wild card also. If she want to change directions Nielsen might no longer fit her ideas. It could be an interesting two years.
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(03-14-2015 09:32 PM)burden Wrote:  
(03-13-2015 09:21 AM)KSU 93 Wrote:  The report should state fire Nielson.

We have had enough years now to form some opinions about how he is doing. I'm surprised a thread hasn't been started on this topic. Maybe I'll give it a bit of thought and start one. Right now I see some good and bad. I don't agree with you yet but their has been some deterioration. It will probably all depend on football. After the one great year if we fall back into the doldrums for 5 years things will turn south quickly. The new President is a wild card also. If she want to change directions Nielsen might no longer fit her ideas. It could be an interesting two years.

Well, at least KSU is getting some ROI on our AD: his kids are very good golfers, and will hopefully contribute to some golf success.
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(03-14-2015 09:30 PM)burden Wrote:  
(03-13-2015 09:43 AM)The Flash Wrote:  Frankly, with the cost of higher education today and the low level of student interest and support for sports, I am surprised that there hasn't been a student movement to reduce or eliminate the student support fees and a push for DII or DIII status .

Good thing that this is not an activist student body... too busy studying and working to pay their way.

Yet the powers to be say if you don't have good sports teams(football and basketball) enrollment is hurt. I have heard high school kids say that is a factor in their decision (both men and women). I wonder what most students really think. It doesn't make sense that they don't attend yet they believe it's important and are willing to pay for it. Something doesn't quite compute.

Agreed.
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I have heard the same stats. They want to attend a school that has football. Yet they don't go. We had more at the akron/KSU hoops game than the akron/KSU football game.
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(03-14-2015 09:30 PM)burden Wrote:  
(03-13-2015 09:43 AM)The Flash Wrote:  Frankly, with the cost of higher education today and the low level of student interest and support for sports, I am surprised that there hasn't been a student movement to reduce or eliminate the student support fees and a push for DII or DIII status .

Good thing that this is not an activist student body... too busy studying and working to pay their way.

Yet the powers to be say if you don't have good sports teams(football and basketball) enrollment is hurt. I have heard high school kids say that is a factor in their decision (both men and women). I wonder what most students really think. It doesn't make sense that they don't attend yet they believe it's important and are willing to pay for it. Something doesn't quite compute.

In what I've seen, you cannot underestimate the inability of academic institutions to draw conclusions on student enrollment data.

I don't think the schools have good data. They probably never ask the right questions in trying to determine why and students might be honest because it sounds superficial. Or they have poorly worded marketing questions where a student will basically say they want everything without proper weighting. I remember a vendor once claimed that people would pay $20 for their technology to be in my product and the marketing people explained to me why the study was invalid.

Secondly, I think what data they have generally get used to support an agenda. I'm sure if someone in the athletic department wanted to, they could hire a consultant that would say that students wouldn't attend Kent if they didn't have an Division I curling team. Things get twisted and I find administrators have great difficulty determining valid data from bulls**t.
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