(03-14-2015 12:59 PM)DefCONNOne Wrote:  

(03-14-2015 12:53 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(03-14-2015 10:24 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(03-14-2015 08:24 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  But they had to push for justice. In both cases, the men weren't even attested (sic). It's hard to believe you are going to get justice when the men aren't even detained after the killing.

You are failing to grasp an essential element of our legal system.

Once you arrest, the clock starts running on the speedy trial requirement. If you don't have all the evidence you need to convict in hand before you arrest, you just placed a time limit on your efforts to obtain the additional evidence you need. So the normal procedure is to hold off on arrest until you have the defendant dead to rights.

What happened with George Zimmerman is that the prosecution had to go forward with trial before the evidence needed to convict turned up.

What happened with Darren Wilson is that when the evidence showed up, it didn't support any crime.

If you arrest without all the evidence you need to convict, then you are inviting a not guilty verdict. Is that the result you want?

People want to see the perception of justice. I guarantee you that if they were arrested and put on trial and found innocent asap, you would not have had the outrage you have now.

C'mon Fit.....TROLL HARDER!!!

Why is this guy allowed to post here?

I have zero respect for the mods here. They are not serious people as long as pure trolling posters like Fit are given free reign.

(03-14-2015 01:01 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(03-14-2015 12:53 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(03-14-2015 10:24 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(03-14-2015 08:24 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  But they had to push for justice. In both cases, the men weren't even attested (sic). It's hard to believe you are going to get justice when the men aren't even detained after the killing.

You are failing to grasp an essential element of our legal system.
Once you arrest, the clock starts running on the speedy trial requirement. If you don't have all the evidence you need to convict in hand before you arrest, you just placed a time limit on your efforts to obtain the additional evidence you need. So the normal procedure is to hold off on arrest until you have the defendant dead to rights.
What happened with George Zimmerman is that the prosecution had to go forward with trial before the evidence needed to convict turned up.
What happened with Darren Wilson is that when the evidence showed up, it didn't support any crime.
If you arrest without all the evidence you need to convict, then you are inviting a not guilty verdict. Is that the result you want?

People want to see the perception of justice. I guarantee you that if they were arrested and put on trial and found innocent asap, you would not have had the outrage you have now.

One, nobody is ever found innocent in our system of justice, it's either guilty or not guilty. I hope you don't teach civics.
Two, are you serious? Do you really, seriously believe that a not guilty verdict would not be treated by the rabble rousers as an opportunity to incite more hatred? You know, like the way we haven't heard a peep out of them since George Zimmerman was found not guilty?

On second thought, maybe I should just respond the way DefConn did. Troll harder, fit.

How are those protests going in that town since Zimmerman?

(03-14-2015 12:45 PM)DefCONNOne Wrote:  

(03-12-2015 05:43 PM)firmbizzle Wrote:  Doesn't work. We're they black girls beating up a white girl? Is that why you posted?

"We are they black girls"? Huh? What?

Autocorrect. Why are you all so obsessed with black crime?

(03-15-2015 10:41 AM)firmbizzle Wrote:  

(03-14-2015 12:45 PM)DefCONNOne Wrote:  

(03-12-2015 05:43 PM)firmbizzle Wrote:  Doesn't work. We're they black girls beating up a white girl? Is that why you posted?

"We are they black girls"? Huh? What?

Autocorrect. Why are you all so obsessed with black crime?

Maybe, Just Maybe because it's so prevalent almost anywhere anymore. It needs to change before We lose a whole generation. Sorry You don't see that, as We are All effected by that loss.

(03-15-2015 10:41 AM)firmbizzle Wrote:  

(03-14-2015 12:45 PM)DefCONNOne Wrote:  

(03-12-2015 05:43 PM)firmbizzle Wrote:  Doesn't work. We're they black girls beating up a white girl? Is that why you posted?

"We are they black girls"? Huh? What?

Autocorrect. Why are you all so obsessed with black crime?

Because it's the GIGANTIC elephant in the room that NOBODY seems to want to talk about. Guess it doesn't sell as much advertising and isn't as easy to race pimp.

(03-15-2015 05:48 PM)VA49er Wrote:  

(03-15-2015 10:41 AM)firmbizzle Wrote:  

(03-14-2015 12:45 PM)DefCONNOne Wrote:  

(03-12-2015 05:43 PM)firmbizzle Wrote:  Doesn't work. We're they black girls beating up a white girl? Is that why you posted?

"We are they black girls"? Huh? What?

Autocorrect. Why are you all so obsessed with black crime?

Because it's the GIGANTIC elephant in the room that NOBODY seems to want to talk about. Guess it doesn't sell as much advertising and isn't as easy to race pimp.

It isn't the elephant in the room. Crime is crime. People commit crimes, people go to jail. You act like the people committing the crimes are getting away with something.

(03-15-2015 10:55 PM)firmbizzle Wrote:  

(03-15-2015 05:48 PM)VA49er Wrote:  

(03-15-2015 10:41 AM)firmbizzle Wrote:  

(03-14-2015 12:45 PM)DefCONNOne Wrote:  

(03-12-2015 05:43 PM)firmbizzle Wrote:  Doesn't work. We're they black girls beating up a white girl? Is that why you posted?

"We are they black girls"? Huh? What?

Autocorrect. Why are you all so obsessed with black crime?

Because it's the GIGANTIC elephant in the room that NOBODY seems to want to talk about. Guess it doesn't sell as much advertising and isn't as easy to race pimp.

It isn't the elephant in the room. Crime is crime. People commit crimes, people go to jail. You act like the people committing the crimes are getting away with something.

So,you're saying that all the black on black crime gets the same media/presidential attention as one white on black crime?

firmbizzle,

You're correct in saying that crime is crime and race shouldn't matter. But when we all look at the bigger picture-across this nation, crime has always happened in poorer urban neighborhoods and at higher rates than those that live in the suburbs and rural areas (not saying crime doesn't happen at those latter geographic regions either. . These past thirty to forty years, the people that inhabited these poorer hoods are mostly African Americans. Many of them doesn't have a father (due to whatever reason) and many of them has little or no guidance at all. All of this equals to a higher police presence in these areas. This doesn't mean that if Michael Brown had a better upbringing that he wouldn't have committed a robbery that ultimately led to his death; although, the chances would've been slimmer. For the past thirty to forty years, there has been a vicious cycle of African American fathers dying and/or going to prison leaving mothers to do the best that they could. Those children find themselves on the streets thus continuing the cycle. The elephant in the room is ending this vicious cycle... somehow.

https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=1054712654545227

Plus you have to understand that all of this push back was caused by the mobs that overran places like Ferguson and Oakland, Ca..

(03-16-2015 07:17 AM)ClairtonPanther Wrote:  For the past thirty to forty years, there has been a vicious cycle of African American fathers dying and/or going to prison leaving mothers to do the best that they could.
https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=1054712654545227

Don't forget African American fathers who are incentivized to leave by the provisions of our welfare system.

(03-16-2015 07:37 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(03-16-2015 07:17 AM)ClairtonPanther Wrote:  For the past thirty to forty years, there has been a vicious cycle of African American fathers dying and/or going to prison leaving mothers to do the best that they could.
https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=1054712654545227

Don't forget African American fathers who are incentivized to leave by the provisions of our welfare system.

Most definitely. That was going to be my rebuttal in my next post.

(03-16-2015 07:17 AM)VA49er Wrote:  

(03-15-2015 10:55 PM)firmbizzle Wrote:  

(03-15-2015 05:48 PM)VA49er Wrote:  

(03-15-2015 10:41 AM)firmbizzle Wrote:  

(03-14-2015 12:45 PM)DefCONNOne Wrote:  "We are they black girls"? Huh? What?

Autocorrect. Why are you all so obsessed with black crime?

Because it's the GIGANTIC elephant in the room that NOBODY seems to want to talk about. Guess it doesn't sell as much advertising and isn't as easy to race pimp.

It isn't the elephant in the room. Crime is crime. People commit crimes, people go to jail. You act like the people committing the crimes are getting away with something.

So,you're saying that all the black on black crime gets the same media/presidential attention as one white on black crime?

I'm saying that it is only a news story when there is no justice .ie somebody commits a crime (or perceived crime) and not arrested or indicted. When somebody commits a crime, is arrested and goes to jail for that crime it's just an ordinary day. There is no need for media attention. You guys are oversimplifying things if you think that every crime (black, white, brown, yellow, purple) needs media attention. The ones that get the media's attention usually involve high profile people, videotapped, or perceived historical injustice.

(03-16-2015 07:17 AM)ClairtonPanther Wrote:  firmbizzle,

You're correct in saying that crime is crime and race shouldn't matter. But when we all look at the bigger picture-across this nation, crime has always happened in poorer urban neighborhoods and at higher rates than those that live in the suburbs and rural areas (not saying crime doesn't happen at those latter geographic regions either. . These past thirty to forty years, the people that inhabited these poorer hoods are mostly African Americans. Many of them doesn't have a father (due to whatever reason) and many of them has little or no guidance at all. All of this equals to a higher police presence in these areas. This doesn't mean that if Michael Brown had a better upbringing that he wouldn't have committed a robbery that ultimately led to his death; although, the chances would've been slimmer. For the past thirty to forty years, there has been a vicious cycle of African American fathers dying and/or going to prison leaving mothers to do the best that they could. Those children find themselves on the streets thus continuing the cycle. The elephant in the room is ending this vicious cycle... somehow.

https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=1054712654545227

Plus you have to understand that all of this push back was caused by the mobs that overran places like Ferguson and Oakland, Ca..

I agree. This cycle is a direct result of the war on drugs.

(03-16-2015 07:50 AM)firmbizzle Wrote:  

(03-16-2015 07:17 AM)ClairtonPanther Wrote:  firmbizzle,

You're correct in saying that crime is crime and race shouldn't matter. But when we all look at the bigger picture-across this nation, crime has always happened in poorer urban neighborhoods and at higher rates than those that live in the suburbs and rural areas (not saying crime doesn't happen at those latter geographic regions either. . These past thirty to forty years, the people that inhabited these poorer hoods are mostly African Americans. Many of them doesn't have a father (due to whatever reason) and many of them has little or no guidance at all. All of this equals to a higher police presence in these areas. This doesn't mean that if Michael Brown had a better upbringing that he wouldn't have committed a robbery that ultimately led to his death; although, the chances would've been slimmer. For the past thirty to forty years, there has been a vicious cycle of African American fathers dying and/or going to prison leaving mothers to do the best that they could. Those children find themselves on the streets thus continuing the cycle. The elephant in the room is ending this vicious cycle... somehow.

https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=1054712654545227

Plus you have to understand that all of this push back was caused by the mobs that overran places like Ferguson and Oakland, Ca..

I agree. This cycle is a direct result of the war on drugs.

That's definitely a major contributor, but I'd argue that the war on poverty has as much to blame as the war on drugs. Those two combined equaled to the oppression of the African American population, which equals to higher crime rates, which equals to a higher police presence, which equals to racial profiling.

(03-16-2015 07:40 AM)firmbizzle Wrote:  

(03-16-2015 07:17 AM)VA49er Wrote:  

(03-15-2015 10:55 PM)firmbizzle Wrote:  

(03-15-2015 05:48 PM)VA49er Wrote:  

(03-15-2015 10:41 AM)firmbizzle Wrote:  Autocorrect. Why are you all so obsessed with black crime?

Because it's the GIGANTIC elephant in the room that NOBODY seems to want to talk about. Guess it doesn't sell as much advertising and isn't as easy to race pimp.

It isn't the elephant in the room. Crime is crime. People commit crimes, people go to jail. You act like the people committing the crimes are getting away with something.

So,you're saying that all the black on black crime gets the same media/presidential attention as one white on black crime?

I'm saying that it is only a news story when there is no justice .ie somebody commits a crime (or perceived crime) and not arrested or indicted. When somebody commits a crime, is arrested and goes to jail for that crime it's just an ordinary day. There is no need for media attention. You guys are oversimplifying things if you think that every crime (black, white, brown, yellow, purple) needs media attention. The ones that get the media's attention usually involve high profile people, videotapped, or perceived historical injustice.

And this is the crux of the matter. Because its not 1965 in America anymore anymore, Bull Conner isn't the police chief and Jim Crow laws have been struck down. But all of the recent big media criminal cases have fed into that particular despite the fact that hundreds of murders are taken place within the inner city without the hope of ever finding the perpetrator.

At this point it seems as if the only way the police have any chance of repairing the strained relationship between themselves and impoverished urban areas is if a few cops are sacrificed on the alter of retribution. The media fawning of Michael Brown and Trayvon Martin does nothing to improve that situation.

Brooklyn activist's vow after McDonald's brawl: No more teen beatdowns in our neighborhood



This incident has caused the local Community leaders to get involved. Good to see.

Quote: Supervision of rowdy teenagers shouldn’t be on the McDonald’s menu.

That was the message Sunday from a group of outraged community advocates in Flatbush, Brooklyn who pledged to do everything they could to prevent another brutal gang beatdown from occurring in the neighborhood.

“We are sick and tired of being in a position where our children are using a McDonald’s as a recreational facility,” activist Tony Herbert said.

He spoke in front of a McDonald’s on Flatbush Ave. where last week six teenage girls ruthlessly pummeled 15-year-old Ariana Taylor. Minutes passed before an adult attempted to stop the accused ringleader, Aniah Ferguson, 16, from stomping Taylor’s head into the fast food joint’s floor yet again. Taylor miraculously survived the assault without serious injuries.

Customers and workers at the McDonald’s near Erasmus Hall High School said it is a popular hangout for unsupervised teens. Cops have been called there at least 10 times since January 2013.

“What took place here is absurd, it’s a disrespect, it’s disgraceful and it’s an issue that has to be resolved,” Herbert said.

He said the One Family One Community initiative will identify funds for after-school programs, college scholarships and youth mentoring. He and his fellow advocates will lobby organizations like Big Brothers Big Sisters and black and Latino fraternities and sororities to chip in, as well.

“It’s an all-hands-on-deck circumstance right now — we’re in crisis right now — we need to save these kids’ lives,” he said.

The barbaric brawl was spurred by an unspecified slight against one of Ferguson’s friends, sources told the Daily News. She has gang ties and planned the relentless attack on Taylor for two months, sources said. The teen hell-raiser has a 1-year-old daughter and a long rap sheet that includes arrests for stabbing her brother and punching her grandmother.

http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/broo...-1.2150260

Some kind of bodily harm must be performed to dead beat dad's. Like an old fashion butt whipping. Maybe part of their private area removed so that they don't burden the tax payer with more children. The removal part is for the publics satisfaction.

Something ........ anything that stops them from repopulating and creating more of THIS