Pac 12 commissioner- Larry Scott thinks the playoff is in a perfect spot with its current number of teams.
"We spent a lot of time thinking about it. We looked at other models with more teams," he said. "First and foremost, I think we don't want to go further, in terms of the number of games the student-athletes are playing. We want to preserve the importance of bowls that are not in the playoff. We want to keep the importance of the regular season and the drama involved, and we want to keep college football a one-semester sport and not go further into January. For me, those are the four primary reasons we think four is the right number."
Not even the Big 12 commissioner, though, is sold on a bigger bracket.
"Having somebody left out is always going to cause a lot of heartburn," Bowlsby said. "It also causes a lot of the anticipation and a lot of the enjoyable tension people feel as they watch their team through the season.
"Four is a compromise. It is the right place. I don't think there will be any serious consideration of a larger number anytime soon."

http://espn.go.com/college-football/stor...ges-year-2

Add this to the fact that the Big 12 will have tie breaking rules to declare a Big 12 champ. Things appear stable for the next 10 plus years.

All it will take is the SEC or B1G being left out one time.

The Big 12 coming up with a tie breaking procedure doesn't mean a damn thing for solving the issue they had this past season.

They said the BCS was fine too and we'd never have a playoff.

Sounds great.....until tv $ says otherwise

8 is best ...

1) each P5 conference gets a spot
2) two at-large spots for the next highest ranking P5 schools
3) one G5 spot with certain requirements (if the requirements are not met, then this would be a third at-large G5 spot)

That would avoid any legal or publicity problems. Everyone would be on board.

Nice to see some commissioners trying to sell the same old crap. We have been hearing this for years:

Sanctity of regular season
Sanctity of the bowls
Sanctity of the student athletes
Not wanting to run the season too long ....

Blah blah blah...

As long as there is a "Power 5", a four team playoff will always be seen as deficient in the fans eyes.

(03-10-2015 11:39 AM)UConn-SMU Wrote:  8 is best ...

1) each P5 conference gets a spot
2) two at-large spots for the next highest ranking P5 schools
3) one G5 spot with certain requirements (if the requirements are not met, then this would be a third at-large G5 spot)

That would avoid any legal or publicity problems. Everyone would be on board.

You will not see the P5 ever guarantee a playoff spot for a Conference Champion. That is where they got burned by the BCS. If it ever goes to 8, it will be a committee picking the top 8. No way 8 will occur before the end of the 12 year contract, you would need Rose, Sugar and Orange to agree and that ain't happening. I still think the more likely scenario is consolidation to 4 Power conferences with the championship games basically serving as the playoffs while still having a selection committee. Probably another 20 years away.

(03-10-2015 12:00 PM)msm96wolf Wrote:  

(03-10-2015 11:39 AM)UConn-SMU Wrote:  8 is best ...

1) each P5 conference gets a spot
2) two at-large spots for the next highest ranking P5 schools
3) one G5 spot with certain requirements (if the requirements are not met, then this would be a third at-large G5 spot)

That would avoid any legal or publicity problems. Everyone would be on board.

You will not see the P5 ever guarantee a playoff spot for a Conference Champion. That is where they got burned by the BCS. If it ever goes to 8, it will be a committee picking the top 8. No way 8 will occur before the end of the 12 year contract, you would need Rose, Sugar and Orange to agree and that ain't happening. I still think the more likely scenario is consolidation to 4 Power conferences with the championship games basically serving as the playoffs while still having a selection committee. Probably another 20 years away.

Don't agree with the bolded at all. That guarantee is essentially the ONLY reason why I would see the P5 agree to expand to playoff to 8 teams.

(03-10-2015 12:00 PM)msm96wolf Wrote:  You will not see the P5 ever guarantee a playoff spot for a Conference Champion. That is where they got burned by the BCS.

There was no conference champion guarantee in the BcS or have you forgotten Alabama vs. LSU for the BcS championship....

Remember it was the two top ranked teams ....

(03-10-2015 12:11 PM)uhmump95 Wrote:  

(03-10-2015 12:00 PM)msm96wolf Wrote:  You will not see the P5 ever guarantee a playoff spot for a Conference Champion. That is where they got burned by the BCS.

There was no conference champion guarantee in the BcS or have you forgotten Alabama vs. LSU for the BcS championship....

Remember it was the two top ranked teams ....

Yes, but the BCS was compiled for 6 conferences. Thus why Tulane threatened a lawsuit. The P5 make the rest of their money off their major bowls which they don't have to share with the G5. That was one reason why the B12 came up with only 50 some million due to the loss of the Sugar bowl. Let's take the ACC will make 56 million with the loss of the Orange this season. Best case scenario, If it ended up in the CFP and access bowl, the payout increase would only be would only increase by 8 million (6 mill for the bowl and 2 Mill for Expenses). 64 Million is far less than the 83 million it brought in last year.

The Rose and Sugar are paying 40 million to each conference in 2015-26. For the CFP to go to 8, the P5 will probably demand at least 50 million per conference. Raising it to at least 100 Million per conference (Which is probably low) otherwise why get rid of the lucrative bowl payout for the same money. While the G5 may get an additional 50 Millon to raise it to 125 Million . If they use the current formula lets say 100 Million for G5 the other 25 split based on how the g5 ranks against each other.

Basically the P5 goes from a 50m vs 12m split to a 100m vs 20m split. The worst thing that could happen financially to the G5 is for the CFP to go to an 8 team playoff. That would probably seal the separation of the P5 and G5.

I like the idea of 6 teams because the # 1 and #2 seeds would get a bye week...you actually get something for finishing in the top 2.

I think 6 is the way to go, and it would be the easiest to sell to the P5.

(03-10-2015 01:38 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  I like the idea of 6 teams because the # 1 and #2 seeds would get a bye week...you actually get something for finishing in the top 2.

I think 6 is the way to go, and it would be the easiest to sell to the P5.

I agree

(03-10-2015 10:19 AM)TripleA Wrote:  The Big 12 coming up with a tie breaking procedure doesn't mean a damn thing for solving the issue they had this past season.

The only issue was teams not named Texas or Oklahoma won.

(03-10-2015 12:03 PM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  

(03-10-2015 12:00 PM)msm96wolf Wrote:  

(03-10-2015 11:39 AM)UConn-SMU Wrote:  8 is best ...

1) each P5 conference gets a spot
2) two at-large spots for the next highest ranking P5 schools
3) one G5 spot with certain requirements (if the requirements are not met, then this would be a third at-large G5 spot)

That would avoid any legal or publicity problems. Everyone would be on board.

You will not see the P5 ever guarantee a playoff spot for a Conference Champion. That is where they got burned by the BCS. If it ever goes to 8, it will be a committee picking the top 8. No way 8 will occur before the end of the 12 year contract, you would need Rose, Sugar and Orange to agree and that ain't happening. I still think the more likely scenario is consolidation to 4 Power conferences with the championship games basically serving as the playoffs while still having a selection committee. Probably another 20 years away.

Don't agree with the bolded at all. That guarantee is essentially the ONLY reason why I would see the P5 agree to expand to playoff to 8 teams.

Dont you love how we've had one season and everybody's got it figured out?

(03-10-2015 12:03 PM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  

(03-10-2015 12:00 PM)msm96wolf Wrote:  

(03-10-2015 11:39 AM)UConn-SMU Wrote:  8 is best ...

1) each P5 conference gets a spot
2) two at-large spots for the next highest ranking P5 schools
3) one G5 spot with certain requirements (if the requirements are not met, then this would be a third at-large G5 spot)

That would avoid any legal or publicity problems. Everyone would be on board.

You will not see the P5 ever guarantee a playoff spot for a Conference Champion. That is where they got burned by the BCS. If it ever goes to 8, it will be a committee picking the top 8. No way 8 will occur before the end of the 12 year contract, you would need Rose, Sugar and Orange to agree and that ain't happening. I still think the more likely scenario is consolidation to 4 Power conferences with the championship games basically serving as the playoffs while still having a selection committee. Probably another 20 years away.

Don't agree with the bolded at all. That guarantee is essentially the ONLY reason why I would see the P5 agree to expand to playoff to 8 teams.

That 8th spot wouldn't even be guaranteed to the G5. It would have requirements.

Quote:We spent a lot of time thinking about it. We looked at other models with more teams

Somehow I am not reassured by the fact that they spent a lot of time thinking. That hasn't gotten us anywhere good up to this point.

Quote:First and foremost, I think we don't want to go further, in terms of the number of games the student-athletes are playing

North Dakota state won the FCS national championship by winning a 24 team playoff. They played 12 regular season games and finished the year at 15-1 for a total of 16 games.

Ohio State won the CFP by winning a 4 team playoff. They played 12 regular season games and finished the year at 14-1 for a total of 15 games.

What in the actual f**k are you talking about?

Quote:We want to preserve the importance of bowls that are not in the playoff

And what exactly is that importance? I know there is history and people who feel nostalgia for the way things used to be but really what is the importance. It has been a couple months and I can't really tell you who played in what bowl. I know OSU won the NC, ECU played in the Birmingham bowl, Ole Miss got their teeth kicked in by TCU, and Georgia tech blew out Miss State. I can't even remember exactly what bowls those were though. Not to mention out of the 30 some bowls there were, there are maybe 6 or 7 that people really have any affinity for. Out of those bowls, two conference champs (Baylor, Boise) participated. The bowls that would have lost a team if we had a playoff made of all conference champs would be:

Cotton Bowl: Baylor
Fiesta Bowl: Boise State
Boca Raton: Marshall, NIU
Liberty: Memphis, or Millitary: Cincinnati, or Bitcoin: UCF
R+L Carriers New Orleans Bowl: ULL

God forbid the Bitcoin or Boca Raton bowl lose their significance! Or the Cotton bowl had to replace #5 Baylor with #13 Georgia or the Fiesta Bowl had to replace #20 Boise State with #19 Auburn.

Quote:we want to keep college football a one-semester sport and not go further into January

The FCS championship game (again in a 24 team playoff) was played on Jan 10. The CFP championship game was played on Jan 12. Again, what in the actual f*** are you talking about?

Quote:Having somebody left out is always going to cause a lot of heartburn

I can just feel the sympathy in this quote. Lets leave as many teams out as possible to maximize that heartburn. The burn lets you know it's working!

Quote:It also causes a lot of the anticipation and a lot of the enjoyable tension people feel as they watch their team through the season.

I know I felt a lot of anticipation and enjoyable tension watching the AAC this year. Which team will represent the conference in the playoffs? Will it be Memphis? UCF? Cincinnati? ECU?....oh wait our conference champion MAYBE gets to play in a "New Years Day Bowl" but equally likely in the Bitcoin or Military bowl? Nevermind I must have confused that heartburn with enjoyable tension.

Quote:Four is a compromise. It is the right place.

How kind of you all to determine yourselves the governing body of the sport and then compromise with yourselves to allow two more of your teams in. Don't break your arm patting yourself on the back.

I'm feeling good about my intelligence today as some of the "greatest minds" in college football though about this for a long time, and I was able to calm their fears in a matter of minutes with minimal research.

Bigger is better! It's the AMERICAN way.

(03-10-2015 12:03 PM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  

(03-10-2015 12:00 PM)msm96wolf Wrote:  

(03-10-2015 11:39 AM)UConn-SMU Wrote:  8 is best ...

1) each P5 conference gets a spot
2) two at-large spots for the next highest ranking P5 schools
3) one G5 spot with certain requirements (if the requirements are not met, then this would be a third at-large G5 spot)

That would avoid any legal or publicity problems. Everyone would be on board.

You will not see the P5 ever guarantee a playoff spot for a Conference Champion. That is where they got burned by the BCS. If it ever goes to 8, it will be a committee picking the top 8. No way 8 will occur before the end of the 12 year contract, you would need Rose, Sugar and Orange to agree and that ain't happening. I still think the more likely scenario is consolidation to 4 Power conferences with the championship games basically serving as the playoffs while still having a selection committee. Probably another 20 years away.

Don't agree with the bolded at all. That guarantee is essentially the ONLY reason why I would see the P5 agree to expand to playoff to 8 teams.

That's my thinking as well. In fact, I think this is the best chance for the G5 to gain real playoff access. If the P5 get AQ---then the best-G5-champ access bowl slot would have to be upgraded to an actual playoff slot.

Conversely, if the P5 really is happy with a 4-team playoff, that's the worst possible news for the G5. My feeling is that if the G5 can hang on long enough to gain direct access to the playoff, that access would make the group nationally relevant again. Without that access coming relatively soon, the G5 may eventually just slowly wither on the vine.

(03-10-2015 11:41 AM)uhmump95 Wrote:  Nice to see some commissioners trying to sell the same old crap. We have been hearing this for years:

Sanctity of regular season
Sanctity of the bowls
Sanctity of the student athletes
Not wanting to run the season too long ....

Blah blah blah...

As long as there is a "Power 5", a four team playoff will always be seen as deficient in the fans eyes.

+1

The FBS conference commissioners must not be aware that the FCS recently added 8 teams to their format (24 now) which means that programs like ND ST, New Hampshire, Sam Houston & Illinois State played 15-16 games last year.

With FCS (and the other divisions) playing playoff games on the campus of higher ranked teams; those teams are earning significant coin off the additional attendance and concessions not to mention TV exposure as there are no FBS games between the end of the Conference championships and the first week of the FBS bowl season which are normally not the more interesting bowl games.