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(03-09-2015 03:29 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  http://www.scribd.com/doc/257928579/Syra...ns-defense

Good! The sanctions were very heavy handed.
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(03-09-2015 03:52 PM)cuseroc Wrote:  
(03-09-2015 03:29 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  http://www.scribd.com/doc/257928579/Syra...ns-defense

Good! The sanctions were very heavy handed.

+1. Even if SU did everything the NCAA claims it still seems like the punishment is WAY more severe than the crime.
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(03-09-2015 04:21 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  
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(03-09-2015 03:29 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  http://www.scribd.com/doc/257928579/Syra...ns-defense

Good! The sanctions were very heavy handed.

+1. Even if SU did everything the NCAA claims it still seems like the punishment is WAY more severe than the crime.

We deserve *some* punishment. That's a fact. However, the nature of the investigation and the degree of the punishment given to SU are ridiculous. I bet almost everything gets lifted for "good behavior." We will get hit with a reduced fine and we will lose 1 scholarship next year and 2 the year after that, but that's pretty much it, other than the possibility of being on double secret probation for a couple of years.

Weirdly enough, SU will likely come out ahead, at least financially.

Boeheim will also due and that will be settled for undisclosed sum and partial win reinstatement.
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Why wouldn't they? Penn State set the precedent.
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(03-09-2015 04:50 PM)CrazyPaco Wrote:  Why wouldn't they? Penn State set the precedent.

I almost wonder if the NCAA knew this reality and adjusted the punishment accordingly. After Miami and PSU, *everyone* is going to sue. So, it makes sense for the NCAA to start harsh and then back off during litigation, and end up where they really want to be. Caving to PSU annihilated the NCAA's credibility.
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As always, the Real Winners will be the Lawyers !
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SBNation's Clemson website, Shakin' the Southland, is no stranger to the negative article, and today they decided to go after Syracuse in a big way... here is an excerpt:

Quote:These 2004 addition though, could have happened differently:

June 18, 2003 - In a surprise move, presidents of Atlantic Coast Conference schools privately drop a plan to invite Miami, Boston College and Syracuse and instead, vote on inviting Virginia Tech and Miami. This comes after five weeks of negotiations with the other three schools for ACC invitations.

Apparently, the ACC nearly made a major mistake by adding the Syracuse Orangemen (prior to losing their manhood) instead of Virginia Tech. Since then, Syracuse has three mere bowl appearances (corrected), while Virginia Tech, even with their struggles now is at a level well above Syracuse.

Basketball you say? That's where this gets really interesting.

With the recently announced sanctions, they will have 10 scholarship players instead of 13 for the next four seasons (pending a potential one year delay) in addition to some other penalties such as lost recruiters and vacated wins.

I won't comment on the appropriateness of the penalties, except to say what they were doing (depriving students of a proper education, enabling drug use, paying players) is serious stuff.

Here's the link for anyone who wants to go get himself banned:

http://www.shakinthesouthland.com/2015/3...ds-biggest
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SBNation's Clemson website, Shakin' the Southland, is no stranger to the negative article, and today they decided to go after Syracuse in a big way... here is an excerpt:

Quote:These 2004 addition though, could have happened differently:

June 18, 2003 - In a surprise move, presidents of Atlantic Coast Conference schools privately drop a plan to invite Miami, Boston College and Syracuse and instead, vote on inviting Virginia Tech and Miami. This comes after five weeks of negotiations with the other three schools for ACC invitations.

Apparently, the ACC nearly made a major mistake by adding the Syracuse Orangemen (prior to losing their manhood) instead of Virginia Tech. Since then, Syracuse has three mere bowl appearances (corrected), while Virginia Tech, even with their struggles now is at a level well above Syracuse.

Basketball you say? That's where this gets really interesting.

With the recently announced sanctions, they will have 10 scholarship players instead of 13 for the next four seasons (pending a potential one year delay) in addition to some other penalties such as lost recruiters and vacated wins.

I won't comment on the appropriateness of the penalties, except to say what they were doing (depriving students of a proper education, enabling drug use, paying players) is serious stuff.

Here's the link for anyone who wants to go get himself banned:

http://www.shakinthesouthland.com/2015/3...ds-biggest
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(03-10-2015 08:48 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  SBNation's Clemson website, Shakin' the Southland, is no stranger to the negative article, and today they decided to go after Syracuse in a big way... here is an excerpt:

Quote:These 2004 addition though, could have happened differently:

June 18, 2003 - In a surprise move, presidents of Atlantic Coast Conference schools privately drop a plan to invite Miami, Boston College and Syracuse and instead, vote on inviting Virginia Tech and Miami. This comes after five weeks of negotiations with the other three schools for ACC invitations.

Apparently, the ACC nearly made a major mistake by adding the Syracuse Orangemen (prior to losing their manhood) instead of Virginia Tech. Since then, Syracuse has three mere bowl appearances (corrected), while Virginia Tech, even with their struggles now is at a level well above Syracuse.

Basketball you say? That's where this gets really interesting.

With the recently announced sanctions, they will have 10 scholarship players instead of 13 for the next four seasons (pending a potential one year delay) in addition to some other penalties such as lost recruiters and vacated wins.

I won't comment on the appropriateness of the penalties, except to say what they were doing (depriving students of a proper education, enabling drug use, paying players) is serious stuff.

Here's the link for anyone who wants to go get himself banned:

http://www.shakinthesouthland.com/2015/3...ds-biggest

LOL, who cares what those backwoods kooks think?
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(03-10-2015 08:48 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  SBNation's Clemson website, Shakin' the Southland, is no stranger to the negative article, and today they decided to go after Syracuse in a big way... here is an excerpt:

Quote:These 2004 addition though, could have happened differently:

June 18, 2003 - In a surprise move, presidents of Atlantic Coast Conference schools privately drop a plan to invite Miami, Boston College and Syracuse and instead, vote on inviting Virginia Tech and Miami. This comes after five weeks of negotiations with the other three schools for ACC invitations.

Apparently, the ACC nearly made a major mistake by adding the Syracuse Orangemen (prior to losing their manhood) instead of Virginia Tech. Since then, Syracuse has three mere bowl appearances (corrected), while Virginia Tech, even with their struggles now is at a level well above Syracuse.

Basketball you say? That's where this gets really interesting.

With the recently announced sanctions, they will have 10 scholarship players instead of 13 for the next four seasons (pending a potential one year delay) in addition to some other penalties such as lost recruiters and vacated wins.

I won't comment on the appropriateness of the penalties, except to say what they were doing (depriving students of a proper education, enabling drug use, paying players) is serious stuff.

Here's the link for anyone who wants to go get himself banned:

http://www.shakinthesouthland.com/2015/3...ds-biggest

The kid writing the article just exposed his stupidity. If you are going to write smack...be correct. His original post was littered with errors.
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I think this is all BS. Louisville retired Denny Crum when his recruiting was faltering and NCAA was finding lots of similar things that happened under his leadership. Cuse just needs to bite the bullet and get its house in order. Start a law suit and the NCAA will find more. Its a battle you might win but at the time you will lose the war. 07-coffee3
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(03-10-2015 08:01 AM)CardFan1 Wrote:  As always, the Real Winners will be the Lawyers !


Isn't 'merica wonderful (says this lawyer). :)
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(03-10-2015 10:47 AM)TerryD Wrote:  
(03-10-2015 08:01 AM)CardFan1 Wrote:  As always, the Real Winners will be the Lawyers !


Isn't 'merica wonderful (says this lawyer). :)

You know in every revolution that lawyers, politicians and teacher are first to be executed by firing squads. Just sayin', 07-coffee3
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(03-10-2015 10:52 AM)Wilkie01 Wrote:  
(03-10-2015 10:47 AM)TerryD Wrote:  
(03-10-2015 08:01 AM)CardFan1 Wrote:  As always, the Real Winners will be the Lawyers !


Isn't 'merica wonderful (says this lawyer). :)

You know in every revolution that lawyers, politicians and teacher are first to be executed by firing squads. Just sayin', 07-coffee3

Poor teachers! (they really deserve better)
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Good luck with that Cuse fans. You'll probably just make your punishment worse. That's how GT is on probation and vacating the 2009 ACC Championship ... over a t-shirt and set of f***ing aquarium tickets. Which were GIVEN BACK. All because Dan Radakovich (hi Clemson fans) met with the student before the investigation and told him to be honest with the investigator. Which the NCAA considered tampering with an investigation.

I **** YOU NOT.

The NCAA can die in a fire. It is as truly hate worthy as all of the worst of the Ivory Tower intellectual bubble institutions which prey upon the funds of others (either taxpayer funded student loans or student athletes) to do their societal misdeeds.
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(03-10-2015 11:11 AM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  Good luck with that Cuse fans. You'll probably just make your punishment worse. That's how GT is on probation and vacating the 2009 ACC Championship ... over a t-shirt and set of f***ing aquarium tickets. Which were GIVEN BACK. All because Dan Radakovich (hi Clemson fans) met with the student before the investigation and told him to be honest with the investigator. Which the NCAA considered tampering with an investigation.

I **** YOU NOT.

The NCAA can die in a fire. It is as truly hate worthy as all of the worst of the Ivory Tower intellectual bubble institutions which prey upon the funds of others (either taxpayer funded student loans or student athletes) to do their societal misdeeds.

+3 Spot on! 04-rock
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A great take from my friend who is lawyer.

BTW, you need to be registered at Syracusefan.com to read this
http://syracusefan.com/threads/plausible...ity.88441/

If you want to register and get denied...send me a PM with your name you registered as and I'll get you in.

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1) A high-major college hoops coach of JB's stature has a huge amount on his plate and simply can't be in 6 places at one time. His primary duties are national recruiting, supervising team practices and traveling the country to coach 30 or more games each season. In these areas, the ones over which JB had direct control and involvement, there were no allegations of improprieties. Boeheim also has general responsibilities ... working with the league (contract issues, scheduling, etc), directing players and staff, and, I'm sure his personal favorite, representing the team before the national media. NCAA academic compliance issues were handled by the director of BB operations. I'm not sure but I believe this position reports to the AD, not Boeheim. But either way, the coach took on the most recent DOBBO (Stan Kissel), and had general supervisory interactions with him and other administrative staff. The coach obviously does not have time to tutor individual student athletes, or to oversee individual players' academic progress issues. Nor would we want him to take on sole responsibility for all NCAA compliance requirements: lots of time, along with a certain amount of specialized expertise and objectivity, are required to adhere to NCAA rules. Compliance is a full-time job: according to the NCAA report, over 80% of the DBBO's duties involved compliance issues. After the problems with Kornish emerged in 2007, JB brought in Kissel .. someone he intended to clean up and improve the University's compliance record. So, you can certainly blame him as the "CEO" of SU BB. But he had no choice but to delegate NCAA compliance responsibilities -- the whole point of bringing Kissel in. To me, this is not indicative of an attitude of indifference by Boeheim towards NCAA rules. To the contrary, he picked someone to clean up the program; the person just failed to get the job done. Some questionable oversight by the AD himself on the Fab melo situation didn't help. Regardless, none of the infractions justified more than 100 vacated wins and a half-season suspension .. these are unprecedented penalties for a coach without direct involvement.

2) The kornish situation is ugly, BUT is a lot less serious than the Penn State (systematic child abuse) or Miami (hundreds of thousands of dollars and more than a decade of extra benefits) situations. We're dealing with five athletes and $8k. Nothing to be taken lightly, but hardly jaw-dropping. The U vetted Kornish before they allowed any involvement with him. He was a licensed NYS employee working at the local YMCA part time. He had no criminal background, and was neither a coach nor a teacher. He was basically an athletic event enthusiast and organizer, who helped administratively with various AAU programs, YMCA bb camps and I believe the SU elite camp. Ordinarily, even if he hung around the weight room or went to staff weddings, I would not think his activities as a camp organizer would have qualified him as a booster (he was not personally coaching, teaching or directing student athletes). However, once he started coordinating SU players as "volunteers" and supervising the community service of one SU student athlete, he probably qualified at that point. However, at approximately that point, the U sent him a compliance manual and reminded him of the prohibitions against extra benefits. The fact that he ignored these warnings was not SU's fault. But it was SU's fault when he started paying SU staff on the down low. This was, at least to my mind, an indictment of the SU BB's oversight program and should have been discovered (and reported) earlier. In this context, I have to agree with the NCAA that Kornish was operating under the nose of SU officials. All that considered, I seriously doubt that JB had any inkling before 2007 of Kornish's activities. In fact, avoiding another "Kornish" situation was his motivation for hiring Kissel.

3) SU's alleged drug policy violations represent a red-herring IMHO. The idea that players can smoke all the weed they want at Kentucky or other institutions that have NO POLICY, but at institutions that do, like SU, players have to comply to the letter, is seriously flawed. All this does is incentivize member institutions to drop their policies to avoid scrutiny. Obviously, this is an undesirable outcome. In any event, we had a policy, and I believe that players' drug tests (under the policy) were to be sent to the head coach. This was not done in practice -- going back to DG's predecessor -- because it was better to have the information go to the AD and have the decisions made administratively. Positive drug tests usually required counseling and even treatment in some cases. Suspensions were provided if the student re-tested positive. But clearly, some flexibility was appropriate in the counseling and treatment process -- unless the tests revealed performance-enhancing substances producing a competitive advantage. To my knowledge, that wasn't the case. So ... suspending the head coach, fining the university over a million dollars and penalizing hundreds of innocent players because a few athletes were found, over a long period of time, to have tested positive for low-level marijuana use is overkill.
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(03-10-2015 10:33 AM)Wilkie01 Wrote:  I think this is all BS. Louisville retired Denny Crum when his recruiting was faltering and NCAA was finding lots of similar things that happened under his leadership. Cuse just needs to bite the bullet and get its house in order. Start a law suit and the NCAA will find more. Its a battle you might win but at the time you will lose the war. 07-coffee3

The NCAA spent the last 8 years (not an exaggeration) finding everything that they could. There's nothing else to find. This is the NCAA's hand. All the NCAA could do is stuffen the punishment, which would reek of bad faith and probably help SU's lawsuit.
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I have to say 3 scholarships a year seemed very heavy handed to me. Its basketball not football where losing 3 year would suck certainly, but not cripple you. I would think 1 a year would have been more fair minded. But I agree with the rest of you who feel its called come out heavy handed, let them file suit and then back off to an agreed upon "what you really had mind" penalty.
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