TopCoog Wrote:

cuseroc Wrote:

TopCoog Wrote:

mattsarz Wrote:Game will be on Versus. 10pm EST start time.

http://themwc.cstv.com/sports/m-footbl/s...07aab.html

You might see more Big East vs MWC games. Both leagues are about the same size and play on the same level. Could also lead to a poinsetta bowl spot as well.

I se you like to get your diggs in no matter how stupid it makes you look.

I do not know how you see those remarks as a dig? Are you a bit paranoid? Whats wrong with the Big East in the Poinsetta bowl? Thats not nearly as stupid an idea as the "Big East split."

Speaking of stupid, saying that the MWC is on the same level as the Big East would qualify as that. And considering the Big East actually voted on splitting and the WAC, at one point, split, and there is rumors of the Big 12 splitting, I think that makes you stupid huh?

PusherT Wrote:

brista21 Wrote:

Orange Eagles Wrote:

brista21 Wrote:

ucbearcat4ever Wrote:

mattsarz Wrote:Game will be on Versus. 10pm EST start time.

http://themwc.cstv.com/sports/m-footbl/s...07aab.html

Only People with Direct TV in Cincinnati get the Channel, which sucks

For once Cablevision has something right. I know we get Versus on it. Although I may end up in South Jersey after graduation depending on getting this job I'm in the running for or not. If I have to move out of the New York market I will definitely be getting DirecTV so I can watch the Mets and for the first time the Pats every Sunday.

Well don't worry, Comcast is a great cable provider and you will get Versus. I'm from South Jersey. Sad thing for you is you will be moving into Eagles and Phillies territory!

And those Flyers too. As a Devils fan thats just yeesh.

With Comcast do you get ESPNU? I'm in Dewitt,NY and we get Timewarner

No, ESPN U yet, but we do get NFL Network, which dealing with TimeWarner Cable when I'm here in Syracuse, you certainly don't get that channel! I hate TWC, Comcast is so much better!

ucbearcat4ever Wrote:

mattsarz Wrote:Game will be on Versus. 10pm EST start time.

http://themwc.cstv.com/sports/m-footbl/s...07aab.html

Only People with Direct TV in Cincinnati get the Channel, which sucks

Boy, the MWC's tv package is pretty lame as far as getting on decent networks. Versus and CSTV have pretty low penetration, but not as bad as NOTV and TBD, which have about half their games. ;-)

TexanMark Wrote:

TopCoog Wrote:

cuseroc Wrote:

TopCoog Wrote:

mattsarz Wrote:Game will be on Versus. 10pm EST start time.

http://themwc.cstv.com/sports/m-footbl/s...07aab.html

You might see more Big East vs MWC games. Both leagues are about the same size and play on the same level. Could also lead to a poinsetta bowl spot as well.

I se you like to get your diggs in no matter how stupid it makes you look.

I do not know how you see those remarks as a dig? Are you a bit paranoid? Whats wrong with the Big East in the Poinsetta bowl? Thats not nearly as stupid an idea as the "Big East split."

LOL, nice spin--how are season ticket sales going at Cougar High? My sources told me you are closing in on 4 digits.

Don't worry about the Coogs Mark. While they were cashing their bowl checks over the past four years you guys were still trying to pull that corn cob out of your hiney with no success. There is not a dead fish on the beach deader than Syracuse football.

cuseroc Wrote:

TopCoog Wrote:

cuseroc Wrote:

TopCoog Wrote:

mattsarz Wrote:Game will be on Versus. 10pm EST start time.

http://themwc.cstv.com/sports/m-footbl/s...07aab.html

You might see more Big East vs MWC games. Could also lead to a poinsetta bowl spot as well.

I se you like to get your diggs in no matter how stupid it makes you look.

I do not know how you see those remarks as a dig? Are you a bit paranoid? Whats wrong with the Big East in the Poinsetta bowl? Thats not nearly as stupid an idea as the "Big East split."

Nope, not paranoid. its just that anything that you post about the BE is negative, including this gem "Both leagues are about the same size and play on the same level." It was the acc who played at the MW level this past season.

I do not post ANYTHING negative about the big east but sometimes a reality check is in order. fact is the Gator/Sun deal was saved by Notre Dame and the rest of the Big East bowl line up in on a level with the MWC. You may pick up a third tier bowl in Tampa but there are no realistic prospects for anything better. It is unrealistic to put the BE on a level with the Big 5 leagues.

TopCoog Wrote:

cuseroc Wrote:

TopCoog Wrote:

cuseroc Wrote:

TopCoog Wrote:

mattsarz Wrote:Game will be on Versus. 10pm EST start time.

http://themwc.cstv.com/sports/m-footbl/s...07aab.html

You might see more Big East vs MWC games. Could also lead to a poinsetta bowl spot as well.

I se you like to get your diggs in no matter how stupid it makes you look.

I do not know how you see those remarks as a dig? Are you a bit paranoid? Whats wrong with the Big East in the Poinsetta bowl? Thats not nearly as stupid an idea as the "Big East split."

Nope, not paranoid. its just that anything that you post about the BE is negative, including this gem "Both leagues are about the same size and play on the same level." It was the acc who played at the MW level this past season.

I do not post ANYTHING negative about the big east but sometimes a reality check is in order. fact is the Gator/Sun deal was saved by Notre Dame and the rest of the Big East bowl line up in on a level with the MWC. You may pick up a third tier bowl in Tampa but there are no realistic prospects for anything better. It is unrealistic to put the BE on a level with the Big 5 leagues.

I think that thing called the bcs bowl makes it realistic to put the BE on the same level as the other 5 leagues. So once you take away the bcs bowl and the Gator/Sun bowl deal, you may have a point. But this is where your line of reasoning falls apart, as it always does, you cant take those bowls out of the equasion (sp) as they are apart of the BE bowl lineup. That, along with the higher bcs ratings and all of the polls, and the best record of all the bcs conferences along with the SEC, and 5-0 in the bowl season, talk about reality check, you need one more than anyone.

TopCoog Wrote:

TexanMark Wrote:

TopCoog Wrote:

cuseroc Wrote:

TopCoog Wrote:

mattsarz Wrote:Game will be on Versus. 10pm EST start time.

http://themwc.cstv.com/sports/m-footbl/s...07aab.html

You might see more Big East vs MWC games. Both leagues are about the same size and play on the same level. Could also lead to a poinsetta bowl spot as well.

I se you like to get your diggs in no matter how stupid it makes you look.

I do not know how you see those remarks as a dig? Are you a bit paranoid? Whats wrong with the Big East in the Poinsetta bowl? Thats not nearly as stupid an idea as the "Big East split."

LOL, nice spin--how are season ticket sales going at Cougar High? My sources told me you are closing in on 4 digits.

Don't worry about the Coogs Mark. While they were cashing their bowl checks over the past four years you guys were still trying to pull that corn cob out of your hiney with no success. There is not a dead fish on the beach deader than Syracuse football.

Well, dont you worry your silly little brain about Cuse fb either. When the Cuse is down in fb, it always helps to be apart of a bcs league to be able to draw upon such resources to help us get back. The pros and cons of playing in a strong bcs league like the BE this past season is that while its great to be in the league, if we had played in a really bad league, like Cusa, we would have been able to make a bowl.

So we have to decide which is more beneficial, to play in a league like Cusa and feast on a bunch of creampuffs, and get to a very minor bowl, and get our share of very minor bowl money, or to stay in the BE and deal with our program being down until it gets back to respectability? Its such a hard decision. ;-)

cuseroc Wrote:

TopCoog Wrote:

cuseroc Wrote:

TopCoog Wrote:

cuseroc Wrote:

TopCoog Wrote:

mattsarz Wrote:Game will be on Versus. 10pm EST start time.

http://themwc.cstv.com/sports/m-footbl/s...07aab.html

You might see more Big East vs MWC games. Could also lead to a poinsetta bowl spot as well.

I se you like to get your diggs in no matter how stupid it makes you look.

I do not know how you see those remarks as a dig? Are you a bit paranoid? Whats wrong with the Big East in the Poinsetta bowl? Thats not nearly as stupid an idea as the "Big East split."

Nope, not paranoid. its just that anything that you post about the BE is negative, including this gem "Both leagues are about the same size and play on the same level." It was the acc who played at the MW level this past season.

I do not post ANYTHING negative about the big east but sometimes a reality check is in order. fact is the Gator/Sun deal was saved by Notre Dame and the rest of the Big East bowl line up in on a level with the MWC. You may pick up a third tier bowl in Tampa but there are no realistic prospects for anything better. It is unrealistic to put the BE on a level with the Big 5 leagues.

I think that thing called the bcs bowl makes it realistic to put the BE on the same level as the other 5 leagues. So once you take away the bcs bowl and the Gator/Sun bowl deal, you may have a point. But this is where your line of reasoning falls apart, as it always does, you cant take those bowls out of the equasion (sp) as they are apart of the BE bowl lineup. That, along with the higher bcs ratings and all of the polls, and the best record of all the bcs conferences along with the SEC, and 5-0 in the bowl season, talk about reality check, you need one more than anyone.

Correct but you have to consider the level of competition. Because the Coogs were 10-4 in CUSA does not mean that we are the same as LSU. You cannot translate wins in the Big East to wins in the other Big five leagues.
In addition the MWC is in the fastest growing part of the United States while the Big East is centered in an area that has been on a slide since wwII. The only thing you have on the MWC now is the BCS bowl and that was based on MT's relationshhips within the BCS. A BE vs MWC association would work very well right now.

cuseroc Wrote:

TopCoog Wrote:

TexanMark Wrote:

TopCoog Wrote:

cuseroc Wrote:

TopCoog Wrote:

mattsarz Wrote:Game will be on Versus. 10pm EST start time.

http://themwc.cstv.com/sports/m-footbl/s...07aab.html

You might see more Big East vs MWC games. Both leagues are about the same size and play on the same level. Could also lead to a poinsetta bowl spot as well.

I se you like to get your diggs in no matter how stupid it makes you look.

I do not know how you see those remarks as a dig? Are you a bit paranoid? Whats wrong with the Big East in the Poinsetta bowl? Thats not nearly as stupid an idea as the "Big East split."

LOL, nice spin--how are season ticket sales going at Cougar High? My sources told me you are closing in on 4 digits.

Don't worry about the Coogs Mark. While they were cashing their bowl checks over the past four years you guys were still trying to pull that corn cob out of your hiney with no success. There is not a dead fish on the beach deader than Syracuse football.

Well, dont you worry your silly little brain about Cuse fb either. When the Cuse is down in fb, it always helps to be apart of a bcs league to be able to draw upon such resources to help us get back. The pros and cons of playing in a strong bcs league like the BE this past season is that while its great to be in the league, if we had played in a really bad league, like Cusa, we would have been able to make a bowl.

So we have to decide which is more beneficial, to play in a league like Cusa and feast on a bunch of creampuffs, and get to a very minor bowl, and get our share of very minor bowl money, or to stay in the BE and deal with our program being down until it gets back to respectability? Its such a hard decision. ;-)

Chances are you would go to a minor bowl in the Big East as well. Might even end up in Birmingham playing a CUSA team or in Toronto vs the MAC. Realism and BE football fans seldom run into each other.

Just put TopPoop on your ignore list... he just wants to piss off people on this board. The only reason he comes over here is to piss people off. I have always been a proponent of keeping guys around, but in this circumstance, when the guy only comes around to try and piss people off I think it is time to put him out of his misery...

mlb Wrote:Just put TopPoop on your ignore list... he just wants to piss off people on this board. The only reason he comes over here is to piss people off. I have always been a proponent of keeping guys around, but in this circumstance, when the guy only comes around to try and piss people off I think it is time to put him out of his misery...

nonsense mlb. What really pisses you off is anyone who does not agree with you. You and everyone here knows the problems the Big east has had getting a decent bowl line up...thats just a fact. The BE has a mid major bowl line up with a BCS bowl. You cannot prosper if you have an unrealistic view of where you really are.

TopCoog Wrote:

cuseroc Wrote:

TopCoog Wrote:

cuseroc Wrote:

TopCoog Wrote:

cuseroc Wrote:

TopCoog Wrote:

mattsarz Wrote:Game will be on Versus. 10pm EST start time.

http://themwc.cstv.com/sports/m-footbl/s...07aab.html

You might see more Big East vs MWC games. Could also lead to a poinsetta bowl spot as well.

I se you like to get your diggs in no matter how stupid it makes you look.

I do not know how you see those remarks as a dig? Are you a bit paranoid? Whats wrong with the Big East in the Poinsetta bowl? Thats not nearly as stupid an idea as the "Big East split."

Nope, not paranoid. its just that anything that you post about the BE is negative, including this gem "Both leagues are about the same size and play on the same level." It was the acc who played at the MW level this past season.

I do not post ANYTHING negative about the big east but sometimes a reality check is in order. fact is the Gator/Sun deal was saved by Notre Dame and the rest of the Big East bowl line up in on a level with the MWC. You may pick up a third tier bowl in Tampa but there are no realistic prospects for anything better. It is unrealistic to put the BE on a level with the Big 5 leagues.

I think that thing called the bcs bowl makes it realistic to put the BE on the same level as the other 5 leagues. So once you take away the bcs bowl and the Gator/Sun bowl deal, you may have a point. But this is where your line of reasoning falls apart, as it always does, you cant take those bowls out of the equasion (sp) as they are apart of the BE bowl lineup. That, along with the higher bcs ratings and all of the polls, and the best record of all the bcs conferences along with the SEC, and 5-0 in the bowl season, talk about reality check, you need one more than anyone.

1)Correct but you have to consider the level of competition. Because the Coogs were 10-4 in CUSA does not mean that we are the same as LSU

2)You cannot translate wins in the Big East to wins in the other Big five leagues.

3)In addition the MWC is in the fastest growing part of the United States while the Big East is centered in an area that has been on a slide since wwII. The only thing you have on the MWC now is the BCS bowl and that was based on MT's relationshhips within the BCS. A BE vs MWC association would work very well right now.

1)You got that right.

2)So I guess when WV beat GT, and Louisville beat Wake, and Rutgers beat KSU and Louisville beat Miami and KSU, none of that counts as wins against the other 5 bcs leagues.

3)None of us posting on these boards will be alive, if or when the MW area takes over the Northeast in population. It is so very easy to just make you look like an idiot, well really you do a good enough job of that all on your own.

Nobody said that a Big East team cannot beat a team from the Big Five. Many CUSA teams do that as well but that does not prove the point.

TopCoog Wrote:Nobody said that a Big East team cannot beat a team from the Big Five. Many CUSA teams do that as well but that does not prove the point.

Cusa teams in the past has managed to beat the dregs of the other 5 bcs conferences, not conference champions and runnersup. Having 2 teams finish the season in the top 10 and another in the top 13 does prove the point, your just too stupid to see that.

Two thoughts to add.

First, I calculate BE FB as having 13.2 million TV households. We do get some over overlap with other conferences, notably UF in Tampa, OSU in Cincy, and to a lesser extent PSU in Pittsburgh, and UK in Louisville.

The MWC has 7.2 million TV households, but more than half of these are Dallas (TCU) and Denver (CSU), which get diced by UT and UC, respectively.

Second, the MWC bowl lineup is absolutely awful. Champion in the Las Vegas Bowl is a disgrace, paying only $950k (only enough to travel), and not nearly as attractive as the BE's Sun/Gator Bowl combo deal for its number 2. Current deals were negotiated when the BE was down, and some thought dead. Next time around, we should reasonably expect to improve our number 2 bowl into the $2.5-3 million range and add a number 3 bowl in the $1.5-$1.9 million range. (Liberty anyone?).

orangefan1 Wrote:Two thoughts to add.

First, I calculate BE FB as having 13.2 million TV households. We do get some over overlap with other conferences, notably UF in Tampa, OSU in Cincy, and to a lesser extent PSU in Pittsburgh, and UK in Louisville.

The MWC has 7.2 million TV households, but more than half of these are Dallas (TCU) and Denver (CSU), which get diced by UT and UC, respectively.

Second, the MWC bowl lineup is absolutely awful. Champion in the Las Vegas Bowl is a disgrace, paying only $950k (only enough to travel), and not nearly as attractive as the BE's Sun/Gator Bowl combo deal for its number 2. Current deals were negotiated when the BE was down, and some thought dead. Next time around, we should reasonably expect to improve our number 2 bowl into the $2.5-3 million range and add a number 3 bowl in the $1.5-$1.9 million range. (Liberty anyone?).

You are not going to get the Liberty Orange fan, thats a pipe dream. The LB was unhappy with the affilation whan you had it before. You may remember the '96 Houston game when UH brought double the fans that Syracuse did. That was really the end of the BE in the LB. They are happy tith the SEC tie in as well they should be.

cuseroc Wrote:

TopCoog Wrote:Nobody said that a Big East team cannot beat a team from the Big Five. Many CUSA teams do that as well but that does not prove the point.

Cusa teams in the past has managed to beat the dregs of the other 5 bcs conferences, not conference champions and runnersup. Having 2 teams finish the season in the top 10 and another in the top 13 does prove the point, your just too stupid to see that.

The problem is you do not have to face a B12 or sec schedule week in and week out. One b12 poster here noted that West Va would be lucky to go 4-4 if they played B12 level competition. If the other leagues respected the BE they would not be in a mid major bowl position. Its not going to change. There is not a scap of evidence that the bowl position will improve.

TopCoog Wrote:One b12 poster here noted that West Va would be lucky to go 4-4 if they played B12 level competition.

Well - that's all the evidence I need. I guess you are right.

TopCoog Wrote:

cuseroc Wrote:

TopCoog Wrote:Nobody said that a Big East team cannot beat a team from the Big Five. Many CUSA teams do that as well but that does not prove the point.

Cusa teams in the past has managed to beat the dregs of the other 5 bcs conferences, not conference champions and runnersup. Having 2 teams finish the season in the top 10 and another in the top 13 does prove the point, your just too stupid to see that.

The problem is you do not have to face a B12 or sec schedule week in and week out. One b12 poster here noted that West Va would be lucky to go 4-4 if they played B12 level competition. If the other leagues respected the BE they would not be in a mid major bowl position. Its not going to change. There is not a scap of evidence that the bowl position will improve.

Big 12 didn't have two top 10 teams and another in the top 15. In fact their champion lost to the WAC champion in the Fiesta Bowl last I checked. Hell KState beat Texas on the same field Louisville thrashed KState on last season. Facts are WVU, Louisville and probably Rutgers could have won the B12 or the ACC last year and I'd give them all a fair shot in the SEC or PAC10 as well.

TopCoog Wrote:

cuseroc Wrote:

TopCoog Wrote:Nobody said that a Big East team cannot beat a team from the Big Five. Many CUSA teams do that as well but that does not prove the point.

Cusa teams in the past has managed to beat the dregs of the other 5 bcs conferences, not conference champions and runnersup. Having 2 teams finish the season in the top 10 and another in the top 13 does prove the point, your just too stupid to see that.

The problem is you do not have to face a B12 or sec schedule week in and week out. One b12 poster here noted that West Va would be lucky to go 4-4 if they played B12 level competition. If the other leagues respected the BE they would not be in a mid major bowl position. Its not going to change. There is not a scap of evidence that the bowl position will improve.

You really want to go off of one Big 12 homer fan. You are even dumber than I thought. Ask the Acc Champion coach what he thinks of the BE. Ask the Georgia coach what he thinks of the BE. Take a look at the media. Take a look at the polls. These give much more credence than some homer fan of the Big 12, whose champion got beatup this past season by a midmajor( a ver good one) in a bcs bowl. Oviously the BE schedule is tougher than a Big 12 schedule since the BE is rated much farther ahead of the Big 12, and the BE won the head to head matchups. And please stop tring to compare a Big 12 schedule to an SEC schedule, its not even close.