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RE: Horizon League expansion is coming
(04-29-2015 01:10 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  
(04-29-2015 01:00 PM)The Cutter of Bish Wrote:  What good are rims traded in for standard hubcaps when there isn't a car?

Athletic budgets aren't binding these schools down. Higher education's evolution, the over-saturation of schools, and the steeply declining enrollment and iffy oversight and administration at these places are.

In the case of this matter, we'll see if some MEAC members really do apply and ASun actually takes them. It's been speculated for some certain schools were ready to try being HBC in a non-HBC conference...doesn't mean it happens.

I'm talking about the Miss Valley State's of the DI HBCU world.

So your hypothesis is that because enrollment and funding are declining and the school is mismanaged ... it shouldn't try to save costs by dropping to DII?


I am seeing some HBCU schools are reaching out to make them look like all race schools. Jackson State, Alabama State, Norfolk State and some others I have seen white QBs and students. Even UAPB is changing into something like a mixed students. Staying nothing but one race would actually hurt a HBCU university when most of the kids come from a poor family. Opening the doors to all can bring more money into that school. Private HBCU schools can't count on poor blacks anymore if they want to survive. I can see the ones that are accepting other students besides blacks can find a new conference easily. If Delaware State, South Carolina State and others including at D2 want to draw more students? They may have to open the doors to others as well.
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RE: Horizon League expansion is coming
(04-29-2015 01:10 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  
(04-29-2015 01:00 PM)The Cutter of Bish Wrote:  What good are rims traded in for standard hubcaps when there isn't a car?

Athletic budgets aren't binding these schools down. Higher education's evolution, the over-saturation of schools, and the steeply declining enrollment and iffy oversight and administration at these places are.

In the case of this matter, we'll see if some MEAC members really do apply and ASun actually takes them. It's been speculated for some certain schools were ready to try being HBC in a non-HBC conference...doesn't mean it happens.

I'm talking about the Miss Valley State's of the DI HBCU world.

So your hypothesis is that because enrollment and funding are declining and the school is mismanaged ... it shouldn't try to save costs by dropping to DII?

If the matter was as simple as a decrease in expenditures, it might be prudent to do. The issue with D2 is that while you'll likely see a drop in athletic department expenditures, the scholarship and aid limits put more burden onto the students, impacting enrollment.

One such revenue stream loss that comes from dropping down are things like NCAA credits/payouts, and what benefits a program might get playing a body-bag game, the exposure they bring, and whatever participation/booster/donor money larger departments expect to bring.

It may not be responsible remaining D1. It may not be viable to be something less at this point.
04-30-2015 10:07 AM
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RE: Horizon League expansion is coming
(04-30-2015 10:07 AM)The Cutter of Bish Wrote:  If the matter was as simple as a decrease in expenditures, it might be prudent to do. The issue with D2 is that while you'll likely see a drop in athletic department expenditures, the scholarship and aid limits put more burden onto the students, impacting enrollment.

One such revenue stream loss that comes from dropping down are things like NCAA credits/payouts, and what benefits a program might get playing a body-bag game, the exposure they bring, and whatever participation/booster/donor money larger departments expect to bring.

It may not be responsible remaining D1. It may not be viable to be something less at this point.

Then I'd ask the admin at MVSU to compare their current revenues and expenses against those of a school like Albany State, a public, four-year HBU.

We could probably do it ourselves using the OPE Equity In Athletics website.

I suspect we'd find that while Albany State has a lower budget than MVSU, it's program is certainly "viable" in any reasonable use of the term.

And if the total amount in the red that ASU's athletic program runs is less than the amount in the red that MVSU's runs, then there's no way that ASU's model can cost its students more money.
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