…even if we lose the first game in the tourney.

I don’t think CUSA fans know the actual shape of our basketball program at the moment talent wise. We have maybe 1 Division I caliber athlete on the team. That is not an exaggeration. In the last 18 months Marshall B-ball has lost every starter and most of the bench due to graduation, players leaving, and players getting dismissed.

3 of the only 4 guys who have been on the team longer than 2 years probably wouldn’t be on the team now if it wasn’t for the fact that we were so thin.

For this team to go on a 7-3 run in a CUSA league that I think is pretty good, with basically a legit Division II team…is remarkable.

I understand your sentiments, but I do not think the coach of a team with a season record of 11-20 and a conference record of 7-11 is truly a viable candidate for conference coach of the year. I just don't see it happening.

It'll be either Jeff Jones or Mike White.

DD has done an admirable job no doubt but he doesn't deserve COTY. Let's see how his recruiting goes. That's the big question now.

I think Haase lost it this week. He's done well vs. the top of the conference and then turned around and lost to FAU, FIU, UNT and Rice.

(03-08-2015 02:02 PM)Dracorex Wrote:  I think Haase lost it this week. He's done well vs. the top of the conference and then turned around and lost to FAU, FIU, UNT and Rice.

yep....and he was my choice out of the three

(03-08-2015 01:01 PM)HERD1 Wrote:  …even if we lose the first game in the tourney.

I don’t think CUSA fans know the actual shape of our basketball program at the moment talent wise. We have maybe 1 Division I caliber athlete on the team. That is not an exaggeration. In the last 18 months Marshall B-ball has lost every starter and most of the bench due to graduation, players leaving, and players getting dismissed.

3 of the only 4 guys who have been on the team longer than 2 years probably wouldn’t be on the team now if it wasn’t for the fact that we were so thin.

For this team to go on a 7-3 run in a CUSA league that I think is pretty good, with basically a legit Division II team…is remarkable.

Imo, you are way off base with this. We don't have a lot of great players but to say only one is D-1 is ignorant. All of our starters are good players. Our three biggest problems this year were, youth, confidence, and depth. We have everyone but Kambola and Sane back and we will be top 5 next year with the same core group that you say isn't D-1. You are right in that coach did a great job but stop bashing our players.

Uhm...No. Barely qualifying for the CUSA tournament is coach of the year?

Jeff Jones.

If you're going to pick a coach from a team not in the conference top tier, not sure how it's not Mike Rhoades.

Inherited a team picked to finish dead last in conference - with three conference wins the last two seasons combined and no major recruits coming in - and won 8 conference games.

That being said ... I'm sure the award will go to one of the teams towards the top of the league - which is just fine.

(03-08-2015 01:01 PM)HERD1 Wrote:  …even if we lose the first game in the tourney.

I don’t think CUSA fans know the actual shape of our basketball program at the moment talent wise. We have maybe 1 Division I caliber athlete on the team. That is not an exaggeration. In the last 18 months Marshall B-ball has lost every starter and most of the bench due to graduation, players leaving, and players getting dismissed.

3 of the only 4 guys who have been on the team longer than 2 years probably wouldn’t be on the team now if it wasn’t for the fact that we were so thin.

For this team to go on a 7-3 run in a CUSA league that I think is pretty good, with basically a legit Division II team…is remarkable.

No. Next.

(03-08-2015 02:02 PM)Dracorex Wrote:  I think Haase lost it this week. He's done well vs. the top of the conference and then turned around and lost to FAU, FIU, UNT and Rice.

Yep. After this week my ballot goes White, Jones, Haase. D'Antoni and Rhoades will have a shot next year if their teams make the leap.

(03-08-2015 02:13 PM)MU42 Wrote:  

(03-08-2015 01:01 PM)HERD1 Wrote:  …even if we lose the first game in the tourney.

I don’t think CUSA fans know the actual shape of our basketball program at the moment talent wise. We have maybe 1 Division I caliber athlete on the team. That is not an exaggeration. In the last 18 months Marshall B-ball has lost every starter and most of the bench due to graduation, players leaving, and players getting dismissed.

3 of the only 4 guys who have been on the team longer than 2 years probably wouldn’t be on the team now if it wasn’t for the fact that we were so thin.

For this team to go on a 7-3 run in a CUSA league that I think is pretty good, with basically a legit Division II team…is remarkable.

Imo, you are way off base with this. We don't have a lot of great players but to say only one is D-1 is ignorant. All of our starters are good players. Our three biggest problems this year were, youth, confidence, and depth. We have everyone but Kambola and Sane back and we will be top 5 next year with the same core group that you say isn't D-1. You are right in that coach did a great job but stop bashing our players.

Top 5 next year? That's a bold prediction. I hope you are right, because marshall improving is good for the conference.

(03-08-2015 05:38 PM)blazers9911 Wrote:  

(03-08-2015 02:13 PM)MU42 Wrote:  

(03-08-2015 01:01 PM)HERD1 Wrote:  …even if we lose the first game in the tourney.

I don’t think CUSA fans know the actual shape of our basketball program at the moment talent wise. We have maybe 1 Division I caliber athlete on the team. That is not an exaggeration. In the last 18 months Marshall B-ball has lost every starter and most of the bench due to graduation, players leaving, and players getting dismissed.

3 of the only 4 guys who have been on the team longer than 2 years probably wouldn’t be on the team now if it wasn’t for the fact that we were so thin.

For this team to go on a 7-3 run in a CUSA league that I think is pretty good, with basically a legit Division II team…is remarkable.

Imo, you are way off base with this. We don't have a lot of great players but to say only one is D-1 is ignorant. All of our starters are good players. Our three biggest problems this year were, youth, confidence, and depth. We have everyone but Kambola and Sane back and we will be top 5 next year with the same core group that you say isn't D-1. You are right in that coach did a great job but stop bashing our players.

Top 5 next year? That's a bold prediction. I hope you are right, because marshall improving is good for the conference.

D'Antoni has done a really good job this year, and Marshall's team is competitive and on an upward swing. A rising tide lifts all boats, and this conference can be formidable as both a football and basketball conference if all commit to both sports. Here's to continued growth under a coach that appears to have the program moving towards greener pastures (pun intended).

(03-08-2015 05:38 PM)blazers9911 Wrote:  

(03-08-2015 02:13 PM)MU42 Wrote:  

(03-08-2015 01:01 PM)HERD1 Wrote:  …even if we lose the first game in the tourney.

I don’t think CUSA fans know the actual shape of our basketball program at the moment talent wise. We have maybe 1 Division I caliber athlete on the team. That is not an exaggeration. In the last 18 months Marshall B-ball has lost every starter and most of the bench due to graduation, players leaving, and players getting dismissed.

3 of the only 4 guys who have been on the team longer than 2 years probably wouldn’t be on the team now if it wasn’t for the fact that we were so thin.

For this team to go on a 7-3 run in a CUSA league that I think is pretty good, with basically a legit Division II team…is remarkable.

Imo, you are way off base with this. We don't have a lot of great players but to say only one is D-1 is ignorant. All of our starters are good players. Our three biggest problems this year were, youth, confidence, and depth. We have everyone but Kambola and Sane back and we will be top 5 next year with the same core group that you say isn't D-1. You are right in that coach did a great job but stop bashing our players.

Top 5 next year? That's a bold prediction. I hope you are right, because marshall improving is good for the conference.

We were a win last night from being tied for 7th, we lose an ok starting center and an ok backup center and that's it. Yes I think we will be top 5 next year.

(03-08-2015 05:54 PM)MU42 Wrote:  

(03-08-2015 05:38 PM)blazers9911 Wrote:  

(03-08-2015 02:13 PM)MU42 Wrote:  

(03-08-2015 01:01 PM)HERD1 Wrote:  …even if we lose the first game in the tourney.

I don’t think CUSA fans know the actual shape of our basketball program at the moment talent wise. We have maybe 1 Division I caliber athlete on the team. That is not an exaggeration. In the last 18 months Marshall B-ball has lost every starter and most of the bench due to graduation, players leaving, and players getting dismissed.

3 of the only 4 guys who have been on the team longer than 2 years probably wouldn’t be on the team now if it wasn’t for the fact that we were so thin.

For this team to go on a 7-3 run in a CUSA league that I think is pretty good, with basically a legit Division II team…is remarkable.

Imo, you are way off base with this. We don't have a lot of great players but to say only one is D-1 is ignorant. All of our starters are good players. Our three biggest problems this year were, youth, confidence, and depth. We have everyone but Kambola and Sane back and we will be top 5 next year with the same core group that you say isn't D-1. You are right in that coach did a great job but stop bashing our players.

Top 5 next year? That's a bold prediction. I hope you are right, because marshall improving is good for the conference.

We were a win last night from being tied for 7th, we lose an ok starting center and an ok backup center and that's it. Yes I think we will be top 5 next year.

Hey, like I said, I hope you are right. I still see La Tech, UTEP, ODU, WKU, and UAB being the top 5 next year, but I could be wrong. Charlotte has a ton of talent. Rice also appears to be on the upswing. You could very well be right. I just hope next year that our team that performs best OOC does so in conference as well. That's the best way for us to guarantee and at large.

(03-08-2015 05:51 PM)ODUsmitty Wrote:  

(03-08-2015 05:38 PM)blazers9911 Wrote:  

(03-08-2015 02:13 PM)MU42 Wrote:  

(03-08-2015 01:01 PM)HERD1 Wrote:  …even if we lose the first game in the tourney.

I don’t think CUSA fans know the actual shape of our basketball program at the moment talent wise. We have maybe 1 Division I caliber athlete on the team. That is not an exaggeration. In the last 18 months Marshall B-ball has lost every starter and most of the bench due to graduation, players leaving, and players getting dismissed.

3 of the only 4 guys who have been on the team longer than 2 years probably wouldn’t be on the team now if it wasn’t for the fact that we were so thin.

For this team to go on a 7-3 run in a CUSA league that I think is pretty good, with basically a legit Division II team…is remarkable.

Imo, you are way off base with this. We don't have a lot of great players but to say only one is D-1 is ignorant. All of our starters are good players. Our three biggest problems this year were, youth, confidence, and depth. We have everyone but Kambola and Sane back and we will be top 5 next year with the same core group that you say isn't D-1. You are right in that coach did a great job but stop bashing our players.

Top 5 next year? That's a bold prediction. I hope you are right, because marshall improving is good for the conference.

D'Antoni has done a really good job this year, and Marshall's team is competitive and on an upward swing. A rising tide lifts all boats, and this conference can be formidable as both a football and basketball conference if all commit to both sports. Here's to continued growth under a coach that appears to have the program moving towards greener pastures (pun intended).

I agree with you. I like the makeup of this league for a number of reasons.

(03-08-2015 02:13 PM)MU42 Wrote:  We have everyone but Kambola and Sane back and we will be top 5 next year with the same core group that you say isn't D-1.

There are rumors that Shawn Smith and maybe Tamron Manning might be gone from the roster as well. We may have 3 more scholarships to fill before next year.

I trust what D'Antoni wants to do at Marshall but its going to take more than a year to do it.

I agree with you 42, we have DI players esp in our starters, we got a gem with Loop as a walkon last year. The kid earned his scholarship. After playing a total of 72 mins last year and scoring 41 points he has 1007 mins this year and 358. He is the 2nd leading scorer on the team.

The thing we didn't have with our last regime was player development. They just expected the players to come in and play without developing. That never works. I would have loved to seen D'Antoni with Kambola, Boynkins and Manning the last 3 years. I think he would have all 3 playing above the player average in CUSA. You can see it with Kambola this year. I think he would have had a monster this year in JP if he would have had him 3 years.

But back to the orig post, no D'Antoni doesn't get COY this year. If he would have had 17-18 wins you might make a case for him but he doesn't have that. And I don't think anyone expected him to.

(03-08-2015 06:15 PM)HerdZoned Wrote:  

(03-08-2015 02:13 PM)MU42 Wrote:  We have everyone but Kambola and Sane back and we will be top 5 next year with the same core group that you say isn't D-1.

There are rumors that Shawn Smith and maybe Tamron Manning might be gone from the roster as well. We may have 3 more scholarships to fill before next year.

I trust what D'Antoni wants to do at Marshall but its going to take more than a year to do it.

I agree with you 42, we have DI players esp in our starters, we got a gem with Loop as a walkon last year. The kid earned his scholarship. After playing a total of 72 mins last year and scoring 41 points he has 1007 mins this year and 358. He is the 2nd leading scorer on the team.

The thing we didn't have with our last regime was player development. They just expected the players to come in and play without developing. That never works. I would have loved to seen D'Antoni with Kambola, Boynkins and Manning the last 3 years. I think he would have all 3 playing above the player average in CUSA. You can see it with Kambola this year. I think he would have had a monster this year in JP if he would have had him 3 years.

But back to the orig post, no D'Antoni doesn't get COY this year. If he would have had 17-18 wins you might make a case for him but he doesn't have that. And I don't think anyone expected him to.

Well smith played less than 10 games and Manning is one of the guys that Herd1 was talking about. He has just struggled to play at this level. He shows flashes, but for a Junior there are too many mistakes and he is not a good shooter. I would love to have Smith back but I doubt it. We have a good shooting forward coming in and I fully expect us to land the big from Chicago or Huntington Prep. They will start immediately because Miovic or however you spell it is not ready.

(03-08-2015 01:01 PM)HERD1 Wrote:  …even if we lose the first game in the tourney.

I don’t think CUSA fans know the actual shape of our basketball program at the moment talent wise. We have maybe 1 Division I caliber athlete on the team. That is not an exaggeration. In the last 18 months Marshall B-ball has lost every starter and most of the bench due to graduation, players leaving, and players getting dismissed.

3 of the only 4 guys who have been on the team longer than 2 years probably wouldn’t be on the team now if it wasn’t for the fact that we were so thin.

For this team to go on a 7-3 run in a CUSA league that I think is pretty good, with basically a legit Division II team…is remarkable.

I know you probably didn't mean this in the way I took it but you are doing a disservice to every player on the Marshall team with your comment. Think you just should have worded it different.

I listened to the coach talk after the Western game @ Marshall and I really liked him. Seems like a players coach and getting these kids to buy into what he's selling shows if he get the talent Marshall will be a very good team.

Hope your season ends on Wednesday :)

(03-08-2015 09:45 PM)MU42 Wrote:  Well smith played less than 10 games and Manning is one of the guys that Herd1 was talking about. He has just struggled to play at this level. He shows flashes, but for a Junior there are too many mistakes and he is not a good shooter. I would love to have Smith back but I doubt it. We have a good shooting forward coming in and I fully expect us to land the big from Chicago or Huntington Prep. They will start immediately because Miovic or however you spell it is not ready.

From a few things Ive heard is that Smith just might be on the Spring or Fall roster for DOC. We'll just have to wait and see. If so it will be our 1st basketball player switch sports since Nate Poole switched. Nate was recruited by Greg White to play basketball but Pruett seen him run and convinced him to play WR.

Why we are recruiting Levi Cook from HP is beyond me. He is everything that D'Antoni's system isn't. He is a 6'10 kid that can't run up and down the court to run the Pick'n'Roll that Dan likes to run. Also he can't shoot no more than 10-12 foot out. I compare him to Dennis Tinnon(Tennon was 6'8). I loved Tinnon when he played for us but Dennis would be out of place in D'Antoni's system.