(03-08-2015 02:23 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(03-08-2015 02:08 PM)BamaScorpio69 Wrote:  

(03-08-2015 01:39 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(03-08-2015 12:07 PM)BamaScorpio69 Wrote:  When you come up with these coaches, I want the thought process to be:

"When I found out that such and such coach was leaving for that school, I knew instantly it was a bad decision."

We can all use hindsight to say some decisions were a bad one.

Then you should have better illustrated that desire with your title. Thing about making a thread around here with a particular direction in mind is that quite often the thread takes a life of it's own and that is just how it is.

That being said, if you are actually seeking a list of coaches that would have immediately regretted leaving their previous job, that list is going to be extremely short because they leave their previous job with the mindset that it is a good thing for themselves.

You wont find any that "instantly" think they made the wrong choice. That just doesn't make any sense, sorry.

Leave it to you to make something difficult. This is your opinion, not what the damn coach thinks man. I can't ask the f'n coach if he or she regrets taking a job. But I can ask posters if they believe a coach made a wrong decision or not.

It makes perfect sense. We all have opinions. Don't apologize, just answer the freaking question.

I did answer the original question. I am not trying to make this difficult nor am I having a go at you BS69. I was just pointing out that it is no surprise that the thread had veared away from what you intended. I was just trying to say that a discussion about what coaches may think now in terms of regret, that such a discussion would be more fruitful.

Yes sir!

(03-08-2015 12:10 PM)BamaScorpio69 Wrote:  Interesting with Brad. If he had a desire to coach in the NBA, then it was definitely a good move for him because it is the Boston Celtics.

But I was mixed on this one. I wasn't sure if it was a good move initially or not.

What's not to like? $22M in his pocket if he wins or loses.

And if he loses, he has enough money to wait for the right college job to open. Indiana. Duke. UNC. etc.

Andy Enfield, Florida Gulf Coast's coach during Dunk City, should not have left for USC.

(03-08-2015 02:49 PM)CougarRed Wrote:  

(03-08-2015 12:10 PM)BamaScorpio69 Wrote:  Interesting with Brad. If he had a desire to coach in the NBA, then it was definitely a good move for him because it is the Boston Celtics.

But I was mixed on this one. I wasn't sure if it was a good move initially or not.

What's not to like? $22M in his pocket if he wins or loses.

And if he loses, he has enough money to wait for the right college job to open. Indiana. Duke. UNC. etc.

I don't know what's not to like. But like you said, he does have college basketball to fall back on. I'm glad Butler didn't fall off the college basketball map like many projected to happen after Davis left for the Celtics.

John L Smith leaving Louisville.

Schiano to Tampa Bay.

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(03-08-2015 02:16 PM)adcorbett Wrote:  I wonder if Ben Howland regrets leaving Pitt? I wonder if his successor feels the same way? Also Dunk City does not seem to have made it to Hollywood.

Enfield might regret choosing USC specifically, but I doubt he regrets taking the big money, when staying would have meant risking a lapse back into obscurity if FGCU failed to repeat its NCAA tournament success. There are coaches who regret staying too long in one place when they could have cashed in some place else, and we could make a long list of those guys.

Dan Hawkins went from winning 12, 13, 11 and 9 at Boise State to winning 2, 6, 5, 3 and 3 at Colorado. I know he got a big raise for going to Colorado but he could have gotten a much better job than Colorado if he stuck around at Boise.

(03-08-2015 04:56 PM)ChrisLords Wrote:  Dan Hawkins went from winning 12, 13, 11 and 9 at Boise State to winning 2, 6, 5, 3 and 3 at Colorado. I know he got a big raise for going to Colorado but he could have gotten a much better job than Colorado if he stuck around at Boise.

Obviously CU regrets hiring Hawkins, and probably also regrets not canning him a couple years earlier than they did. He turned a pretty good football program into a dumpster fire.

(03-08-2015 09:42 AM)etsuandpurdue3 Wrote:  Darrell Hazell for coming to Purdue from Kent State in football.

Funny you mention that I was going to say look at some Kent State basketball coaches that do really well and then move on. SOme have done alright though in particular Geno Ford really regrets leaving. Bradley is really bad right now, Geno owes Kent State a good bit of money (the only coach Kent State went after since he was the only coach that left in an inappropriate way), and his prospects do not look good.

I think Geno is the only coach that Kent State fans do not wish success towards (of course assuming they are not playing Kent).

(03-08-2015 07:21 PM)Sultan of Euphonistan Wrote:  

(03-08-2015 09:42 AM)etsuandpurdue3 Wrote:  Darrell Hazell for coming to Purdue from Kent State in football.

Funny you mention that I was going to say look at some Kent State basketball coaches that do really well and then move on. SOme have done alright though in particular Geno Ford really regrets leaving. Bradley is really bad right now, Geno owes Kent State a good bit of money (the only coach Kent State went after since he was the only coach that left in an inappropriate way), and his prospects do not look good.

I think Geno is the only coach that Kent State fans do not wish success towards (of course assuming they are not playing Kent).

Yeah, the Geno Ford tale is really sad and surprising. Geno seems to be the type who's a great coach in his own state where he knows the recruiting but sinks outside of it where he doesn't have recruiting connections.

On paper Geno looked like a great hire for Bradley. He won regular season MAC championships in both years at Kent St, and the latter championship came after turning over ten players. He looked like slam dunk hire.

Instead, Geno went 1-37 west of the Mississippi River during his tenure (his only win an overtime one over Drake on Thursday). Bradley went from a historic program embedded in Peoria's heart that drew 10k a game and recently removed from a Sweet 16 to the program with the worst record (by 6 or 7 games to boot) in the MVC in the last 5 years and sub-3k crowds. Absolutely shocking.

Bradley (whose coach that they fired--a legendary 80s player-alumnus that played in the NBA and returned to Bradley to coach them to the Sweet 16--is currently leading UC Davis to a 26-4 record led by one of the best players in the country who happens to be his former teammate's/another Bradley legend's son) now seems to be in an inescapable abyss, and Geno's (who once seemed primed for greatness) head coaching career is likely over.

I would go with Steve Spurrier. I don't think South Carolina = Florida. And he was a complete bust with the Washington Redskins. He's done a great job with South Carolina but he gave up a rich recruiting base when he left Florida.

I think he made more money during his short time with the Redskins than he did with Florida. I'm sure he'd love to still be in Florida now compared to USC, but the mind boggling salary be made makes it hard to think he truly regrets it.

When Spurrier left the Gators, he said that coaching there wasn't fun anymore because the fans' expectations were so ridiculously high that in their minds, every loss was a disgrace and every win was just a relief. My guess is that he doesn't miss that. And yes, he's been very well compensated since he left Florida.

(03-09-2015 05:24 PM)Wedge Wrote:  When Spurrier left the Gators, he said that coaching there wasn't fun anymore because the fans' expectations were so ridiculously high that in their minds, every loss was a disgrace and every win was just a relief. My guess is that he doesn't miss that. And yes, he's been very well compensated since he left Florida.

He left Florida because Dan Synder backed up the Brinks Truck...

From what I understand Buzz Williams was pushed out of Marquette.

Here's a thread from the Big East board discussing his departure.

I think some of you underestimate the amount of gratification there can be for one of these coaches when they take a flailing program that is the kicking boy of it's conference and turn it around into a conference championship contender.

That is what Spurrier did with South Carolina. Why would he regret not being at Florida? South Carolina may have had a bad season but they havn't "fallen". Spurrier should be proud of what he has done at South Carolina.

(03-09-2015 06:10 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  I think some of you underestimate the amount of gratification there can be for one of these coaches when they take a flailing program that is the kicking boy of it's conference and turn it around into a conference championship contender.

That is what Spurrier did with South Carolina. Why would he regret not being at Florida? South Carolina may have had a bad season but they havn't "fallen". Spurrier should be proud of what he has done at South Carolina.

That is his MO in college football. He took teams and improved them such as Duke, South Carolina, and yes even Florida. People forget that Florida was not too great in football until just before Spurrier arrived (where they were Ok or were bashed for cheating) to being one of the best teams in the country and certainly in the SEC during the 90s.

Roy Danforth left Syracuse in 1976 fresh off a Final Four in 1975(a few years before the Dome was built) to go to Tulane for what he felt was a better program.

http://www.capecodtimes.com/article/2013.../301020310

(03-09-2015 06:22 PM)Sultan of Euphonistan Wrote:  

(03-09-2015 06:10 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  I think some of you underestimate the amount of gratification there can be for one of these coaches when they take a flailing program that is the kicking boy of it's conference and turn it around into a conference championship contender.

That is what Spurrier did with South Carolina. Why would he regret not being at Florida? South Carolina may have had a bad season but they havn't "fallen". Spurrier should be proud of what he has done at South Carolina.

That is his MO in college football. He took teams and improved them such as Duke, South Carolina, and yes even Florida. People forget that Florida was not too great in football until just before Spurrier arrived (where they were Ok or were bashed for cheating) to being one of the best teams in the country and certainly in the SEC during the 90s.

One more reason why I highly doubt Spurrier wishes he was back at Florida. Anywhere in South Carolina has at least double the amount of charm that Gainesville Florida has.

For me its Anthony Grant.

Three years at VCU with two tourney trips, with an NIT bid sandwiched between, and a win over Duke. He was adored by the VCU community, was building a program and a brand in VCU, almost got the Florida job until Donovans U-turn ruined that. He was considered one of the up and coming coaches, then he leaves for a football school. It was a head scratcher.

Six years later he has one tourney appearance with Alabama and I believe hes on the hot seat, meanwhile VCU with its final four and very marketable coach has become a brand, and moved long past the Grant era. Not to mention his predecessor at VCU, Jeff Capel, didn't have things workout, so the morale of the story is don't leave VCU apparently.

I honestly believe Grant was one of the last of the coaches to leave a mid-major for any BCS/P5 school. Guys like Smart, Mooney, Marshall, and Stevens (yah I know hes gone now, but it was for the NBA big difference) realize you can stay right where you are and create a high profile program, and a lot of P5 schools arent worth leaving that for.