(03-07-2015 07:31 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  How do we get this thing back out of the ditch?

We are just going so wrong in so many ways.

Think of the U.S. as a car going down the highway at 70 mph, with two occupants fighting for control of the steering wheel. One wants to go right and the other wants to go left. As a result, no one is in control.

That pretty much sums up our situation.

UC Irvine did not ban the American flag, the student union banned any national flag from their lobby. Big difference, the stars and stripes are still flying on campus.

Who cares what they do in their lobby, theyre college kids, and like every other group at that age they're dumba--es with an ignorant world view that comes from being young and dumb. God knows I look back at the 20 year old me and laugh at that 20 year old, as Im sure much of you do as well.

Meh, I guess that is fair enough.

Their argument is still stupid.

If I were interviewing UCI students to hire, I would make sure that anybody who voted in favor of the ban would not get a look. That's one point of view that I'd have zero interest in having around my firm. Those students have every right to vote for the ban. They should also have every opportunity to deal with the consequences if it makes them toxic in the marketplace.

(03-07-2015 10:28 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  If I were interviewing UCI students to hire, I would make sure that anybody who voted in favor of the ban would not get a look. That's one point of view that I'd have zero interest in having around my firm. Those students have every right to vote for the ban. They should also have every opportunity to deal with the consequences if it makes them toxic in the marketplace.

The thing is, like I said theyre young an dumb, and as they grow and mature they'll look back at this and roll their eyes at their naivety, the ones who grow and continue to hold on to their naive beliefs will probably find employment with organizations that hold those same beliefs.

Personally, I just don't care, its just a flag, and you can say it represents this or that but at the end of the day its just a flag, and if a group wants to be loud and proud and display it or if they want it removed from their lobby, its their choice and their right.

(03-07-2015 10:43 PM)ODUChm Wrote:  The thing is, like I said theyre young an dumb, and as they grow and mature they'll look back at this and roll their eyes at their naivety, the ones who grow and continue to hold on to their naive beliefs will probably find employment with organizations that hold those same beliefs.
Personally, I just don't care, its just a flag, and you can say it represents this or that but at the end of the day its just a flag, and if a group wants to be loud and proud and display it or if they want it removed from their lobby, its their choice and their right.

It's absolutely their choice. I would never deny them that. I just would never hire anyone who voted that way. Apparently the student government as a whole has voted to reverse this.

(03-07-2015 07:28 PM)UConn-SMU Wrote:  The most popular bumper sticker of the 1960's was: "AMERICA - LOVE IT OR LEAVE IT".

Love it? Yes! Love everything about it? Naw....

It was six kids who voted in favor of the ban - don't persecute the entire student body. Like many colleges, UC-Irvine is generally pretty liberal but make no mistake, they are situated in one of the most conservative parts of the country. I'm sure the campus officials had no idea the student government would be able to do something like this anyway.

They overturned the vote today with some sort of campus veto power. I'm just surprised it took them a few days to figure out how to reverse the move.

http://www.asuci.uci.edu/flag/

(03-08-2015 12:52 PM)Fort Bend Owl Wrote:  It was six kids who voted in favor of the ban - don't persecute the entire student body. Like many colleges, UC-Irvine is generally pretty liberal but make no mistake, they are situated in one of the most conservative parts of the country. I'm sure the campus officials had no idea the student government would be able to do something like this anyway.

They overturned the vote today with some sort of campus veto power. I'm just surprised it took them a few days to figure out how to reverse the move.

http://www.asuci.uci.edu/flag/

Did the student body elect these 6? Elections have consequences.

I'm glad they vetoed, but given the delay in vetoing (they only have 6 days to veto) I'm wondering if it was more due to threats of cutting school funding that drove the veto.

In any case, these 6 made the entire university look bad. Under those terms, I would look for ways to remove them.

Nm

(03-07-2015 10:43 PM)ODUChm Wrote:  

(03-07-2015 10:28 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  If I were interviewing UCI students to hire, I would make sure that anybody who voted in favor of the ban would not get a look. That's one point of view that I'd have zero interest in having around my firm. Those students have every right to vote for the ban. They should also have every opportunity to deal with the consequences if it makes them toxic in the marketplace.

The thing is, like I said theyre young an dumb, and as they grow and mature they'll look back at this and roll their eyes at their naivety, the ones who grow and continue to hold on to their naive beliefs will probably find employment with organizations that hold those same beliefs.

Personally, I just don't care, its just a flag, and you can say it represents this or that but at the end of the day its just a flag, and if a group wants to be loud and proud and display it or if they want it removed from their lobby, its their choice and their right.

Their own peers evidently don't feel it is "just" a flag. Sanity and patriotism ruled the day in the end. So a flag to them does mean something. Sad it doesn't to a leftist like you.

UC Irvine reverses American flag ban

Quote:The Star-Spangled Banner will once again wave at the University of California, Irvine, after student government leaders nixed a bid to ban the American flag from a campus lobby.

Members of the executive cabinet of the Associated Students of UC Irvine met Saturday in an emergency session to reverse the flag ban.

“Our campus is patriotic and proud,” student government President Reza Zomorrodian told me. “We did something right for our campus.”

Zomorrodian, said he was furious that a handful of student legislators pushed through the ban.

“Our campus stands with the flag,” he said.

On March 3, student legislator Matthew Guevara authored a bill to remove the American flag, along with all other flags, from the lobby of a campus building housing their offices. Click here to read my original column.

Guevara said he wanted to make the university a more “culturally inclusive” place by banning Old Glory.

“Designing a culturally inclusive space aims to remove barriers that create undue effort and separation by planning and designing spaces that enable everyone to participate equally and confidentially,” read the resolution.

The student government’s decision created a firestorm of national outrage from alumni, current students and the university’s administration.

“This misguided decision was not endorsed or supported in any way by the campus leadership, the University of California, or the broader student body,” read a statement posted online by the university. “The views of a handful of students passing a resolution do not represent the opinions of the nearly 30,000 students on this campus, and have no influence on the policies and practices of the university.”

They also tweeted a photograph showing the Stars & Stripes were still posted at the taxpayer-funded university.

As for the student government association’s flag, that will be rehoused on Monday, Zomorrodian said.

Guevara and his band of cohorts could not be reached for comment. They aren’t talking publicly and Zomorrodian said he hasn’t been able to locate them. But when he does - he plans on giving them an earful, he said.

Zomorrodian said he was especially offended that they banned the flag because he is a first generation American.

“That’s why the flag is special to me,” he said. “I was born here. My parents came here as immigrants.”

That makes him proud to be an American, and to stand up for the flag.

“This country has been great to our family,” he said.

The university’s administration should also be commended for their swift condemnation of the flag ban. It’s refreshing to see there are still educators who still love the land of the free, the home of the brave.

If nothing else, this episode has shown the nation that the University of California, Irvine has hundreds, if not thousands, of young men and women who love our nation.

I was especially pleased to hear that a member of the university’s ROTC volunteered to stand guard over Old Glory — just in case someone tried to snatch it in the dark of night.

God bless America, friends.

http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2015/03/0...-flag-ban/

(03-08-2015 01:23 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(03-08-2015 12:52 PM)Fort Bend Owl Wrote:  It was six kids who voted in favor of the ban - don't persecute the entire student body. Like many colleges, UC-Irvine is generally pretty liberal but make no mistake, they are situated in one of the most conservative parts of the country. I'm sure the campus officials had no idea the student government would be able to do something like this anyway.

They overturned the vote today with some sort of campus veto power. I'm just surprised it took them a few days to figure out how to reverse the move.

http://www.asuci.uci.edu/flag/

Did the student body elect these 6? Elections have consequences.

I'm glad they vetoed, but given the delay in vetoing (they only have 6 days to veto) I'm wondering if it was more due to threats of cutting school funding that drove the veto.

In any case, these 6 made the entire university look bad. Under those terms, I would look for ways to remove them.

Who the hell on campus pays attention to these student unions? I sure as hell didnt care nor pay attention to any student government association, and couldn't tell you when or if there was an election on campus.

I imagine 99% of UC Irvine students responded to this news with a shrug of a shoulder on their way to calc class.

(03-08-2015 06:03 PM)ODUChm Wrote:  

(03-08-2015 01:23 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(03-08-2015 12:52 PM)Fort Bend Owl Wrote:  It was six kids who voted in favor of the ban - don't persecute the entire student body. Like many colleges, UC-Irvine is generally pretty liberal but make no mistake, they are situated in one of the most conservative parts of the country. I'm sure the campus officials had no idea the student government would be able to do something like this anyway.

They overturned the vote today with some sort of campus veto power. I'm just surprised it took them a few days to figure out how to reverse the move.

http://www.asuci.uci.edu/flag/

Did the student body elect these 6? Elections have consequences.

I'm glad they vetoed, but given the delay in vetoing (they only have 6 days to veto) I'm wondering if it was more due to threats of cutting school funding that drove the veto.

In any case, these 6 made the entire university look bad. Under those terms, I would look for ways to remove them.

Who the hell on campus pays attention to these student unions? I sure as hell didnt care nor pay attention to any student government association, and couldn't tell you when or if there was an election on campus.

I imagine 99% of UC Irvine students responded to this news with a shrug of a shoulder on their way to calc class.

I would suggest they start paying attention to them.

Who paid attention to student government in college if you weren't a part of it?

I doubt anybody cared one way or another. Every college kid has a lot more on their minds, booze, women, grades.

(03-08-2015 06:50 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  Who paid attention to student government in college if you weren't a part of it?

I doubt anybody cared one way or another. Every college kid has a lot more on their minds, booze, women, grades.

Student government is a training ground for leftists.

(03-08-2015 08:05 PM)UConn-SMU Wrote:  

(03-08-2015 06:50 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  Who paid attention to student government in college if you weren't a part of it?

I doubt anybody cared one way or another. Every college kid has a lot more on their minds, booze, women, grades.

Student government is a training ground for leftists.

Okay, and for those students who aren't leftist and instead are in a training ground for civil engineers or historians why should they give to craps about an on campus organization that is irrelevant to them.

(03-08-2015 09:28 PM)ODUChm Wrote:  

(03-08-2015 08:05 PM)UConn-SMU Wrote:  

(03-08-2015 06:50 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  Who paid attention to student government in college if you weren't a part of it?

I doubt anybody cared one way or another. Every college kid has a lot more on their minds, booze, women, grades.

Student government is a training ground for leftists.

Okay, and for those students who aren't leftist and instead are in a training ground for civil engineers or historians why should they give to craps about an on campus organization that is irrelevant to them.

You need to keep an eye on them because they will do their best to embarrass your school nationally ... like in this situation.

(03-08-2015 10:07 PM)UConn-SMU Wrote:  

(03-08-2015 09:28 PM)ODUChm Wrote:  

(03-08-2015 08:05 PM)UConn-SMU Wrote:  

(03-08-2015 06:50 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  Who paid attention to student government in college if you weren't a part of it?

I doubt anybody cared one way or another. Every college kid has a lot more on their minds, booze, women, grades.

Student government is a training ground for leftists.

Okay, and for those students who aren't leftist and instead are in a training ground for civil engineers or historians why should they give to craps about an on campus organization that is irrelevant to them.

You need to keep an eye on them because they will do their best to embarrass your school nationally ... like in this situation.

The world is full of idiots who will embarrass the organizations they're affiliated with, why am I going to waste my time trying to monitor them?

(03-06-2015 05:42 PM)QuestionSocratic Wrote:  Any student, faculty or staff who finds this silly or offensive, should wear a T-shirt showing a flag. I'd hope that some students can get a "Wear a Flag" day organized and hang around the Associate student space (whatever that is). According to the resolution:

“Let it be further be resolved that if a decorative item is in the Associate student lobby space and issues arise, the solution will be to remove the item if there is considerable request to do so.”

Let's see if anyone tries to "remove" a shirt.

ASS

(03-07-2015 07:28 PM)UConn-SMU Wrote:  The most popular bumper sticker of the 1960's was: "AMERICA - LOVE IT OR LEAVE IT".

in the '70's it was "Run Jesse Run" Somehow it wound up on many Front Bumpers though.