(03-06-2015 02:55 PM)blunderbuss Wrote:  

(03-06-2015 02:53 PM)dfarr Wrote:  Remind me where unions were outlawed with this legislation please. I must have missed it in the article.

"Right to Work" doesn't mean unions were outlawed.

I know. That's my point

Great News.....but bad news for Comrade Mach and his ilk!

(03-06-2015 02:55 PM)dfarr Wrote:  

(03-06-2015 02:55 PM)blunderbuss Wrote:  

(03-06-2015 02:53 PM)dfarr Wrote:  Remind me where unions were outlawed with this legislation please. I must have missed it in the article.

"Right to Work" doesn't mean unions were outlawed.

I know. That's my point

If that's your point you completely missed the point.

(03-06-2015 02:57 PM)blunderbuss Wrote:  

(03-06-2015 02:55 PM)dfarr Wrote:  

(03-06-2015 02:55 PM)blunderbuss Wrote:  

(03-06-2015 02:53 PM)dfarr Wrote:  Remind me where unions were outlawed with this legislation please. I must have missed it in the article.

"Right to Work" doesn't mean unions were outlawed.

I know. That's my point

If that's your point you completely missed the point.

No, my point is that all the big pro-Union folks out there are going to be talking about how Walker banned unions with this bill, which isn't true, but they will try and spin it that way.

Ahhh.... gotcha. My bad. I'm used to some of the pro-union folks snappy one liner comebacks.

(03-06-2015 03:06 PM)dfarr Wrote:  

(03-06-2015 02:57 PM)blunderbuss Wrote:  

(03-06-2015 02:55 PM)dfarr Wrote:  

(03-06-2015 02:55 PM)blunderbuss Wrote:  

(03-06-2015 02:53 PM)dfarr Wrote:  Remind me where unions were outlawed with this legislation please. I must have missed it in the article.

"Right to Work" doesn't mean unions were outlawed.

I know. That's my point

If that's your point you completely missed the point.

No, my point is that all the big pro-Union folks out there are going to be talking about how Walker banned unions with this bill, which isn't true, but they will try and spin it that way.

RTW is essentially the death knell of any union shops ability to bargain. That is the best part of this. The membership will drop quickly from those that were being forced to join leaving.

As Virginia becomes more blue, Wisconsin becomes more red.

Good for them. I'm right to work, yet not necessarily against unions. It's not a black or white issue to me. I can see the benefits of collected bargaining, but unions as-is have to come up to the times as much as individual workers and businesses do.

(03-08-2015 06:58 PM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  Good for them. I'm right to work, yet not necessarily against unions. It's not a black or white issue to me. I can see the benefits of collected bargaining, but unions as-is have to come up to the times as much as individual workers and businesses do.

Good comments. Well stated.

FAIL: Union Protest Outside WI Right-To-Work Bill Signing Ceremony Draws Just Two People…

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(03-09-2015 11:35 AM)EagleRockCafe Wrote:  FAIL: Union Protest Outside WI Right-To-Work Bill Signing Ceremony Draws Just Two People…

Oustside

so right to work apparently gives unsafe working conditions? How did this new law repeal OSHA?

The unions blew a sh*t load of money on the original collective bargaining law plus all of the elections and recall elections in between. The bussed in tens of thousands of people pretending to be Wisconsin citizens. Instead of winning, they have seen their memberships dwindle, and they have been smacked by a couple of court rulings which forced them to pay back dues to those they should not have collected from in the first place.

What you are seeing now is the actual backlash to what Walker has been doing the past few years. This is all it ever was. The rest of it was outside influence purely manufactured by the unions. And now the unions have a cash flow problem, and they cant just peddle influence by bussing in masses of people.

Obama Criticizes Wisconsin's New 'Right-to-Work' Law

Love it...

Quote: President Barack Obama is criticizing a new Wisconsin law that prohibits requiring workers to pay union dues, saying it "will weaken, rather than strengthen workers."

Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker signed the measure into law Monday. Walker is expected to run as a Republican candidate for president in 2016.

Obama accuses Walker of claiming "victory over working Americans," and says Walker should do more to help working-class Americans "by taking meaningful action to raise their wages and offer them ... paid leave."

Supporters of the Wisconsin law argued it will help attract new businesses, while opponents said it will drive down wages and make workplaces less safe.

Obama says the new Wisconsin law is part of "a sustained, coordinated assault on unions, led by powerful interests and their allies in government."

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireStory...w-29517222

(03-09-2015 09:30 PM)EagleRockCafe Wrote:  Obama Criticizes Wisconsin's New 'Right-to-Work' Law

Love it...

Quote: President Barack Obama is criticizing a new Wisconsin law that prohibits requiring workers to pay union dues, saying it "will weaken, rather than strengthen workers."

Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker signed the measure into law Monday. Walker is expected to run as a Republican candidate for president in 2016.

Obama accuses Walker of claiming "victory over working Americans," and says Walker should do more to help working-class Americans "by taking meaningful action to raise their wages and offer them ... paid leave."

Supporters of the Wisconsin law argued it will help attract new businesses, while opponents said it will drive down wages and make workplaces less safe.

Obama says the new Wisconsin law is part of "a sustained, coordinated assault on unions, led by powerful interests and their allies in government."

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireStory...w-29517222

This is all about not requiring workers to pay union dues. As always, follow the money.

(03-09-2015 02:20 PM)dfarr Wrote:  

(03-09-2015 11:35 AM)EagleRockCafe Wrote:  FAIL: Union Protest Outside WI Right-To-Work Bill Signing Ceremony Draws Just Two People…

Oustside

so right to work apparently gives unsafe working conditions? How did this new law repeal OSHA?

"Right to work" doesn't mean OSHA was repealed.

(03-06-2015 02:51 PM)Machiavelli Wrote:  I agree. Unions have to do a much better job of showing their value.

So they need to lie more?

(03-10-2015 07:51 PM)JMUDunk Wrote:  

(03-09-2015 02:20 PM)dfarr Wrote:  

(03-09-2015 11:35 AM)EagleRockCafe Wrote:  FAIL: Union Protest Outside WI Right-To-Work Bill Signing Ceremony Draws Just Two People…

Oustside

so right to work apparently gives unsafe working conditions? How did this new law repeal OSHA?

"Right to work" doesn't mean OSHA was repealed.

Apparently I need to start typing using the sarcastic font

(03-06-2015 02:51 PM)Machiavelli Wrote:  I agree. Unions have to do a much better job of showing their value.

Thing is, Mach, why wouldn't liberals be pro-choice here? I mean, doesn't everyone deserve a choice of whether to be a part of a union? Why not at least be consistent?

(03-10-2015 10:30 PM)GoodOwl Wrote:  

(03-06-2015 02:51 PM)Machiavelli Wrote:  I agree. Unions have to do a much better job of showing their value.

Thing is, Mach, why wouldn't liberals be pro-choice here? I mean, doesn't everyone deserve a choice of whether to be a part of a union? Why not at least be consistent?

"Pro-choice" means pro-choice on one and only one issue. Always has, probably always will.

(03-11-2015 07:36 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(03-10-2015 10:30 PM)GoodOwl Wrote:  

(03-06-2015 02:51 PM)Machiavelli Wrote:  I agree. Unions have to do a much better job of showing their value.

Thing is, Mach, why wouldn't liberals be pro-choice here? I mean, doesn't everyone deserve a choice of whether to be a part of a union? Why not at least be consistent?

"Pro-choice" means pro-choice on one and only one issue. Always has, probably always will.

Pro-choice is being able to schedule your abortion in the morning or afternoon.