(03-05-2015 04:23 PM)blunderbuss Wrote:  

(03-05-2015 04:05 PM)Tigers2B1 Wrote:  

(03-05-2015 03:52 PM)blunderbuss Wrote:  You don't have a clue what "national brand" is if you think that's true. There aren't any true "national brands" within the G5 except for maybe Boise State Navy, and UConn (mostly b/c of their basketball).

Or how about this, maybe you define it differently. By national brand I mean a football name that is recognized anywhere in the country. A name that has it's own identity. A football program that has it's own unique history. Not all schools can say that. Most G5s can't. Boise can. Navy can. I don't think UConn football can but I do think Marshall can.

When I think of National Brands I'm thinking of the programs that year in and year out are top 25, blue bloods, that kind of thing... the one's that are known even by non-sports fans. Navy and Boise are exceptions for different reasons. Like I said, they're both "maybes". Everybody knows that blue field and the BCS busting. Marshall is a halfway decent sized, regional fan base at best.

National Brands for Football = Notre Dame, Alabama, Michigan, Texas, FSU
National Brands for Basketball = UNC, UK, Duke, Kansas, UConn

I agree with this, the majority of those who have heard of Marshall nationwide have heard of them do to the movie or have heard of the plane crash. Most of them could not name the state that they are located in, the conference they play in, or have ever watched a Marshall game. The schools you listed have national followings of fans who watch and follow their teams and that is what conferences and tv networks care about.

1. Marshall and Southern Miss to replace two teams the AAC loses in the future

When every school (all better expansion candidates for b12/acc than us) leaves ecu alone we will invite every unc system school with a football team not unc/ncsu to form a UNC conference specifically to troll those two schools by calling out conference champion the North Carolina champion. It would look like this:

ECU
App
Fayetteville State
Charlotte
NCCU
Elizabeth city state
UNC Pembroke
Western Carolina
Winston-Salem State
NC A&T

9 in conference games and a b12 style settle it on the field marketing campaign. Sure some are division three and would probably lose to new bern high on a bad day but give them time and I think this league would have some real upside. Plus following Mac logic the savings in travel cost would make up for the ****** media contract

(03-05-2015 05:00 PM)PirateMarv Wrote:  UMass
ODU
Charlotte
Rice

Those are the teams that I have seen mentioned and in that order.

Miko is not a credible source...

(03-05-2015 05:05 PM)Ramen_Tiger Wrote:  1. Marshall and Southern Miss to replace two teams the AAC loses in the future

*IF* we need to add I think these two are the best that would actually come. BYU isn't looking to group itself with a G5 conference. Air Force turned down the Big East before most of it's membership went to the various P5 conferences. Boise has turned us down likewise. It really can't be much clearer.

(03-05-2015 05:14 PM)MemphisTigerFreak Wrote:  

(03-05-2015 05:00 PM)PirateMarv Wrote:  UMass
ODU
Charlotte
Rice

Those are the teams that I have seen mentioned and in that order.

Miko is not a credible source...

You wish that it were Miko. However, it is not. It was from the notes of a newspaper article written a couple of years ago when Tulsa joined. Tulsa apparently got in over UMass, because the UMass stadium situation was substandard or in disarray or something to that effect. Unless something has changed then Mass seems to be the next school into the AAC.

It would be good for the conference to have a basketball team in Memphis, so I'd go with the Memphis Grizzlies.

IMO a school can be a national brand and not be a blue blood.

(03-05-2015 05:32 PM)cotton1991 Wrote:  It would be good for the conference to have a basketball team in Memphis, so I'd go with the Memphis Grizzlies.

Marshall has more name recognition because any sports fan worth their salt knows their story. I'm not sure that's a "national brand"; but it's not enough to put them atop any expansion list.

There isn't a realistic expansion list in my opinion. BYU, BSU, SDSU (package deal), AFA, and the Cadets are the only legitimate "fits" and some, perhaps all, have already said "no".....but that's the extent of a "realistic" list.

I just dont think that there is a legitimate expansion list and for sure wouldn't include ODU, UNCC, or UTSA as legitimate candidates as long as there are programs with real athletic histories that are available.

(03-05-2015 05:35 PM)tnzazz Wrote:  IMO a school can be a national brand and not be a blue blood.

That's right. You can wear a Marshall sweatshirt on the streets of Portland, Oregon, and no one is going to think you're an advertisment for a department store. Marshall is a nationally recognized name.

(03-05-2015 05:05 PM)Ramen_Tiger Wrote:  1. Marshall and Southern Miss to replace two teams the AAC loses in the future

Those are the two teams I would want. Mostly based on relationship to ECU. I know some teams in this conference have had nothing to do with them so I get why they wouldn't want them for those reasons. I don't really care about most of the other arguments, we aren't getting anyone who would add a ton of value to TV contracts or whatever.

BTW, I want to know what USM fans did to bring on this curse so I can NEVER, EVER, do it. Their football and basketball went straight into the crapper.

(03-05-2015 05:19 PM)TIGERCITY Wrote:  

(03-05-2015 05:05 PM)Ramen_Tiger Wrote:  1. Marshall and Southern Miss to replace two teams the AAC loses in the future

*IF* we need to add I think these two are the best that would actually come. BYU isn't looking to group itself with a G5 conference. Air Force turned down the Big East before most of it's membership went to the various P5 conferences. Boise has turned us down likewise. It really can't be much clearer.

Boise and SDSU were set to join before SHTF. If the networks were willing to up our contract and pay significantly more than the Mountain West, I think they would at least consider it again. You're probably right about BYU, but if the P5 door appears to be shut and you can find them some dancing partners out west, you never know. I prefer Colorado State to Air Force, but regarding Air Force... maybe they would be more receptive now that Navy is on board. A lot of folks are on the Army bandwagon, but I want no part of a football program that has had one winning season since 1996. At least Navy and Air Force offer competitive football teams.

(03-05-2015 07:17 PM)robertfoshizzle Wrote:  

(03-05-2015 05:19 PM)TIGERCITY Wrote:  

(03-05-2015 05:05 PM)Ramen_Tiger Wrote:  1. Marshall and Southern Miss to replace two teams the AAC loses in the future

*IF* we need to add I think these two are the best that would actually come. BYU isn't looking to group itself with a G5 conference. Air Force turned down the Big East before most of it's membership went to the various P5 conferences. Boise has turned us down likewise. It really can't be much clearer.

Boise and SDSU were set to join before SHTF. If the networks were willing to up our contract and pay significantly more than the Mountain West, I think they would at least consider it again. You're probably right about BYU, but if the P5 door appears to be shut and you can find them some dancing partners out west, you never know. I prefer Colorado State to Air Force, but regarding Air Force... maybe they would be more receptive now that Navy is on board. A lot of folks are on the Army bandwagon, but I want no part of a football program that has had one winning season since 1996. At least Navy and Air Force offer competitive football teams.

Sure - if we offer Boise significantly more money they'd consider. But we're not now in a position to do that nor do I see that possibility on the horizon. Boise just made a boat load of money (for a G5 team) playing in the MWC. Air Force has known Navy was joining for a couple of years now. Air Force has shown no signs of wanting to join the AAC or even the old, much better, Big East. I see no reason to wait by a phone for their call. BYU simply can't afford the G5 taint while their posing as a P5 who just happens to also be an independent -- sort of a Notre Dame lite. And why would Colorado State leave the MWC for the AAC?

If the America Athletic Conference were to expand, it would be at the request of our NEW MEDIA PARTNER. Then and only then would it expand. If that occurs, then some of those present are gone before any expansion occurs.

In short, there are only two ways this Conference will add members;

1. To backfill for a poached member(s).

2. To become a Power Conference, {This will only occur as a super conference. think BIG}.

All other options are off the table financially.

(03-05-2015 05:00 PM)PirateMarv Wrote:  UMass
ODU
Charlotte
Rice

Those are the teams that I have seen mentioned and in that order.

I'd rather eat dog turd than be in a league with Rice or Charlotte again.

1) BYU
2) BSU
3) SDSU
4) AF
5) Army
6) Fresno

Offer all 6 right now. Go to this:
East: Cincy, UConn, ECU, USF, UCF, Temple, Army, Navy, Memphis
West: Tulane, UH, SMU, Tulsa, AF, BYU, BSU, SDSU, Fresno

This conference is close to making it a p6 and G4. Clearly separates itself away from G4. The money TV wise will be a small bump up which is good also. It covers all timezones which will help inventory wise. All of these schools can compete financially.

In football play your division for 8 games. Then allow the schools to themselves schedule 2 year series(home and home) cross over wise. So this will allow navy to schedule af if they want every year etc. with a even number no matter how it goes all schools will get games. I can see the BYU and Cincys scheduling each other more than Cincy and Tulsa for example but it's what needs to happen inventory wise. Make a rule that of your 2 free schedule cross over games yearly, you must play 1 at home 1 away. It's very easy to do this logistics wise as a conference.

So that's 10 games. Then enact a rule no FcS games. The last 2 possible games must be G4 or better games. So every school has 5 conference home games with 2 games to go to get a 6th or 7th home game. It's smart scheduling in the rise of this conference.

In basketball AF, Navy and Army do not play, invite WSU as a bball member only with no voting rights in league affairs accept for basketball operations. Simple. That's 16 basketball schools with about half the league being quality off the start. Round robin plus 1 rival game for 16 overall. All 16 make the tourney. Other sports can fall in line from there.

I bet this league makes 5-8mil a year TV wise per team. It's a inventory monster full of enough mid majors and brands that espn will reward it with a lot of good time slots and TV matchups. You could even own Friday night on espn. Play a 7pm in the east and a 10pm out west and just call it Friday night in America blah blah. This Ina's got to be the sweet spot.

1) BYU
2) Boise
3) Air Force
4) Army
5) Colorado State
6) SDSU
7) Fresno

But none of them are coming in our lifetime.

In no order...
BYU
Marshall
Army
ODU
GSU

(03-05-2015 03:11 PM)Tigers2B1 Wrote:  I would think Marshall has to be on that list. Marshall has a national brand. A good football program. Provides the conference with another school in the Temple, UConn general region. And a presence for the new 'cold weather' bowl (the AAC is reported to be in discussions with the New England Patriots.)

What are you talking about.Marshall lives on props,they cannot have them in the AAC.They would be a bottom feeder with no value at all.