If we're not even going to try, just kill it already.

(03-16-2015 09:13 AM)blunderbuss Wrote:  If we're not even going to try, just kill it already.

We don't need to kill it we just need to try. There are only 2 sports in all of college that schools need to try in, football and basketball. They are the only 2 sports that generate revenue for a program. I saw on an ECU message board that said our basketball actually lost money. How does that happen?

Now that being said with the new league and practice facility, hopefully ECU is actually starting to realize that basketball matters, time will tell as well as next years schedule to see if we take this seriously.

We also need to really start looking objectively at Jeff Lebo and see if long term he is the solution to build ECU. All us ECU fans like to thump our chest and say we deserve P-5 membership but the bottom line is if we can't compete in basketball (one of only 2 sports that matter) then we aren't a major program and certainly don't deserve to be in that conversation.

(03-16-2015 08:41 AM)sfink16 Wrote:  

(03-16-2015 07:03 AM)KnightLight Wrote:  Temple had two bad non-conf losses to teams that weren't even .500 in their conf:

St Joseph's (6-11) and UNLV (7-10).

If Temple wins one of even both of those games...they slide into the NCAA with an at-large.

St. Josephs is a Philadelphia Big 5 game that has been scheduled every year for what seems like forever. They play a round robin series with Villanova, LaSalle, St. Josephs, and Penn each year. These teams know each other very well. Like conference play, you can throw out the records of the teams.

Think anyone that has followed college hoops knows about the Big 5 and especially how cool it really is...but sadly for Temple, is was the wrong year to lose to STJ.

(03-16-2015 09:11 AM)k-vegasbuc Wrote:  

(03-16-2015 07:57 AM)gopirates11 Wrote:  Will VCU all of a sudden not do a home and home with us like they would 5-6 years ago?

RPI of non ACC teams we could play

VCU-14
Davidson-33
ODU-45
Wofford-48
Richmond-59
George Washington-83
High Point-87
South Carolina-91
William and Mary-95

We have played all of these teams home and homes in the past, and its hard for me to believe any of these teams are suddenly too good to play us. Or that they dont want to play us because we arent as bad as we used to be, except maybe VCU but I have no idea. Lebo is clearly trying to pad his win total, and in all reality its worked for him

I completely agree with you. It is so frustrating seeing our apathy on the basketball side of things. I really hope the league lays into ECU about our scheduling and start stepping it up. Maybe if we play better competition we will also see improved recruiting. I mean seriously, what recruit gets excited to play Univ of Virginia at Wise (yes that's a real school we played recently).

Even if it means going on the road more to play teams like State, UVA, UNC, etc. then we need to do it.

Yeah it is really these bad RPI games from this season that need to be dropped ASAP.

CCSU -342
FAU - 303
Florida A&M - 350
UNC-Green. - 309

And I mean you don't have to be world beaters. If you switch them out with two of the above that you mentioned and maybe throw a Winthrop 202 or Charlotte 211 in there instead you would greatly improve with still some very winnable games. If you could also add a VA Tech or Wake Forest then you are getting somewhere while still hopefully being completive as you build the program up.

I would think being on ESPN would be a big selling point for some of these programs as well that get very little coverage.

(03-16-2015 09:20 AM)k-vegasbuc Wrote:  

(03-16-2015 09:13 AM)blunderbuss Wrote:  If we're not even going to try, just kill it already.

We don't need to kill it we just need to try. There are only 2 sports in all of college that schools need to try in, football and basketball. They are the only 2 sports that generate revenue for a program. I saw on an ECU message board that said our basketball actually lost money. How does that happen?

Now that being said with the new league and practice facility, hopefully ECU is actually starting to realize that basketball matters, time will tell as well as next years schedule to see if we take this seriously.

We also need to really start looking objectively at Jeff Lebo and see if long term he is the solution to build ECU. All us ECU fans like to thump our chest and say we deserve P-5 membership but the bottom line is if we can't compete in basketball (one of only 2 sports that matter) then we aren't a major program and certainly don't deserve to be in that conversation.

ECU's scheduling needs attention, everything else is fine. The monetary commitment was made with the practice facility and having a coach that has been here more than 3 years is starting to pay off with improved recruiting and player development. Be patient and let things be developed the right way so that they last.

Quote:Yeah it is really these bad RPI games from this season that need to be dropped ASAP.

CCSU -342
FAU - 303
Florida A&M - 350
UNC-Green. - 309

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There are no legitimate excuses for that OOC schedule. If Aresco needs to help correct that than so be it --- this is now a conference issue. It's clear the AAC reputation, such as it was, is now in free fall. Aresco needs to get on this yesterday.

(03-16-2015 10:25 AM)TIGERCITY Wrote:  

Quote:Yeah it is really these bad RPI games from this season that need to be dropped ASAP.

CCSU -342
FAU - 303
Florida A&M - 350
UNC-Green. - 309

...

There are no legitimate excuses for that OOC schedule. If Aresco needs to help correct that than so be it --- this is now a conference issue. It's clear the AAC reputation, such as it was, is now in free fall. Aresco needs to get on this yesterday.

Anybody emailing their AD's about this? Please do. I've bitched to our leadership about it. We might need some outside pressure as well b/c there's a good % of ECU fans that honestly don't know any better.... seriously.

(03-16-2015 09:20 AM)k-vegasbuc Wrote:  

(03-16-2015 09:13 AM)blunderbuss Wrote:  If we're not even going to try, just kill it already.

We don't need to kill it we just need to try. There are only 2 sports in all of college that schools need to try in, football and basketball. They are the only 2 sports that generate revenue for a program. I saw on an ECU message board that said our basketball actually lost money. How does that happen?

Now that being said with the new league and practice facility, hopefully ECU is actually starting to realize that basketball matters, time will tell as well as next years schedule to see if we take this seriously.

We also need to really start looking objectively at Jeff Lebo and see if long term he is the solution to build ECU. All us ECU fans like to thump our chest and say we deserve P-5 membership but the bottom line is if we can't compete in basketball (one of only 2 sports that matter) then we aren't a major program and certainly don't deserve to be in that conversation.

It happens when a coach/AD buys games we can't afford to begin with and then hardly anybody wants to pay to see them play. We don't deserve a damn thing. We neglected basketball forever while pining for membership in a basketball first conference, the Big East. The way we went about things the past 30 years was idiotic looking back on it.

(03-16-2015 10:25 AM)TIGERCITY Wrote:  

Quote:Yeah it is really these bad RPI games from this season that need to be dropped ASAP.

CCSU -342
FAU - 303
Florida A&M - 350
UNC-Green. - 309

...

There are no legitimate excuses for that OOC schedule. If Aresco needs to help correct that than so be it --- this is now a conference issue. It's clear the AAC reputation, such as it was, is now in free fall. Aresco needs to get on this yesterday.

He might need to, because I'm not convinced Lebo will change it willingly.

(03-16-2015 08:37 AM)PirateMarv Wrote:  

(03-05-2015 07:45 PM)blunderbuss Wrote:  

(03-05-2015 06:59 PM)200yrs2late Wrote:  

(03-05-2015 06:50 PM)TIGERCITY Wrote:  We have four teams - 4 - with OOC RPIs of 300 or more. Four teams -- that's almost half of the conference. Schedule out all of those bottom dweller RPI teams played OOC and the entire conference's RPI gets better. We play each other more than we play anyone else --- AT LEAST twice a season. Hell - ECU has played two in the bottom 10 of the 351 teams just this season. Drop them for starts.

Correct me if im wrong, but this is ECU's first year in the AAC and this schedule was already set from CUSA days. Hopefully scheduling will improve in the next year or so and at the same time ECU won't have such bad starts to the year.

I know ECU's rpi is bad, but there aren't many here that would have thought ECU would split with Memphis and Cincy, and play UConn tough twice. Bad rpi and all, ECU has been a tough win for the most part and won't be a detriment to the conference for long.

You are wrong about that. Basketball schedules aren't set as far out as football. We had several openings where we could have better opponents. In other words, It was wasn't set prior to the AAC all sport invite.

Actually some portions of OOC schedules are from prior years, because of retun game obligations and the like. In all honesty though ECU scheduling is kind of lazy. If the ECU football team is playing VT every year then why is there no basketball series? Charlotte and ODU should be on ECU's schedule almost every year. Wake Forest, NCSU, Clemson, South Carolina and a bunch of other major programs are nearby as well. So what if ECU has to give a 3 for 2; you have to take those deals.

A basketball series with us really won't help your RPI. We finished with an RPI even lower than yours (227).

(03-16-2015 12:30 PM)Insane_Baboon Wrote:  

(03-16-2015 08:37 AM)PirateMarv Wrote:  

(03-05-2015 07:45 PM)blunderbuss Wrote:  

(03-05-2015 06:59 PM)200yrs2late Wrote:  

(03-05-2015 06:50 PM)TIGERCITY Wrote:  We have four teams - 4 - with OOC RPIs of 300 or more. Four teams -- that's almost half of the conference. Schedule out all of those bottom dweller RPI teams played OOC and the entire conference's RPI gets better. We play each other more than we play anyone else --- AT LEAST twice a season. Hell - ECU has played two in the bottom 10 of the 351 teams just this season. Drop them for starts.

Correct me if im wrong, but this is ECU's first year in the AAC and this schedule was already set from CUSA days. Hopefully scheduling will improve in the next year or so and at the same time ECU won't have such bad starts to the year.

I know ECU's rpi is bad, but there aren't many here that would have thought ECU would split with Memphis and Cincy, and play UConn tough twice. Bad rpi and all, ECU has been a tough win for the most part and won't be a detriment to the conference for long.

You are wrong about that. Basketball schedules aren't set as far out as football. We had several openings where we could have better opponents. In other words, It was wasn't set prior to the AAC all sport invite.

Actually some portions of OOC schedules are from prior years, because of retun game obligations and the like. In all honesty though ECU scheduling is kind of lazy. If the ECU football team is playing VT every year then why is there no basketball series? Charlotte and ODU should be on ECU's schedule almost every year. Wake Forest, NCSU, Clemson, South Carolina and a bunch of other major programs are nearby as well. So what if ECU has to give a 3 for 2; you have to take those deals.

A basketball series with us really won't help your RPI. We finished with an RPI even lower than yours (227).

I mean it would if it replaced any of these 4 games. And you are likely to be higher in the future with Buzz at the helm.

CCSU -342
FAU - 303
Florida A&M - 350
UNC-Green. - 309

(03-16-2015 10:15 AM)200yrs2late Wrote:  

(03-16-2015 09:20 AM)k-vegasbuc Wrote:  

(03-16-2015 09:13 AM)blunderbuss Wrote:  If we're not even going to try, just kill it already.

We don't need to kill it we just need to try. There are only 2 sports in all of college that schools need to try in, football and basketball. They are the only 2 sports that generate revenue for a program. I saw on an ECU message board that said our basketball actually lost money. How does that happen?

Now that being said with the new league and practice facility, hopefully ECU is actually starting to realize that basketball matters, time will tell as well as next years schedule to see if we take this seriously.

We also need to really start looking objectively at Jeff Lebo and see if long term he is the solution to build ECU. All us ECU fans like to thump our chest and say we deserve P-5 membership but the bottom line is if we can't compete in basketball (one of only 2 sports that matter) then we aren't a major program and certainly don't deserve to be in that conversation.

ECU's scheduling needs attention, everything else is fine. The monetary commitment was made with the practice facility and having a coach that has been here more than 3 years is starting to pay off with improved recruiting and player development. Be patient and let things be developed the right way so that they last.

This is the key thing right here. Lebo needs to show that he can recruit at a high level. This year BJ Tyson was great, the other 2 freshman not so much (hopefully both will improve drastically). I'm hoping with the new conference affiliation we will see improvement, especially when it comes to recruiting big men.

That being said, if we don't land any quality big men in this next year we are still going to be in trouble. I think if we get another performance like this year we really need to start looking elsewhere as far as coaching. We can't just use the excuse "well before Lebo was here we sucked, and now that he's here we suck less" excuse. We need to aim higher than that.

The practice facility is great, but our arena really could use some updating as well as probably an upgrade in coaching and assistants pay. At best extending Lebo's contract as long as we did was very shortsighted and it doesn't really serve to motivate Lebo to produce results now.