(05-12-2015 08:22 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(05-12-2015 08:19 AM)DexterDevil Wrote:  

(05-12-2015 06:58 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(05-11-2015 11:44 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  Good news for the ACC and B1G

http://www.nielsen.com/us/en/insights/ne...-fans.html

Interesting to see the numbers, but not surprising. In Tobacco Road, the ACC already had one of the very strongest core fan bases, that's why it's always been known as a basketball-first conference, and then you add to that the huge fan bases of Louisville and Syracuse, and it's pretty obvious that the ACC, outside of its Florida football schools, has massive basketball interest.

And the B1G is always right at the top in average attendance. Down south and out west, there are lots of things to do outdoors even in the heart of "winter", but up in B1G country, there just isn't, so basketball is a great entertainment option.

You kidding me? There's tons of stuff to do outside during winter up here.

Like what, freeze?

Ice fish, snowboard, snowmobile, dirtbike with spiked tires, hockey, ice skating, snowball fights, ski, actually play basketball (if you're into that sorta thing), oh and drive.

(05-12-2015 07:40 AM)TexanMark Wrote:  

(05-12-2015 05:52 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:  The split in Cincinnati is UC, Xavier, UK and OSU. There is very interest in ACC basketball here (1-2% at best).

Most of the people in the region who root for OSU or Notre Dame football do not follow their basketball program at all here.

You would know better...I assumed the KY suburbs would have some UL interest. I totally forgot about X...I'll update it.

No real UofL presence in Cincinnati. That is definitely Kentucky, Cincy, X, and OSU territory.

(05-12-2015 11:17 AM)Pervis_Griffith Wrote:  

(05-12-2015 09:15 AM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  My impression is that (1) Louisville is more than just a minor amount of SEC fans - Louisville (the school) is certainly the dominant school, but UK fans still make up a very large number of people there (which is why Louisville (the market) almost always tops these college basketball viewership lists),

The Courier Journal conducted a scientific poll back in 2004, 2005 (?? - well before the recent run of success that both U of L and UK have had) ... and they found that when asked who your favorite college basketball team is - U of L came in somewhere around 50%, UK was around 30%, and other made up the 20% (Indiana, Notre Dame, among others).

Here's the thing though ... given the intensity of the rivalry, a majority of U of L fans will watch UK games, and a majority of UK fans will watch U of L games, if for no other reason than to root against their rival.


That is the reason that Louisville pulls such a strong number during hoops season. You watch your team, and you root against your neighbors team.

This is so true. Locally here, many UofL fans watch UofL, watch to see UK lose, then watch conference mates to scout (or ***** about them), then watch the national TV major games. Many UK fans watch UK play, then while waiting in line for Welfare, watch UofL games to see them lose, and watch SEC games to see how badly they will beat their future opponents. Wash, rinse, repeat.

When I was in school, the first two days of the NCAA tournament were basically holidays. School wasn't close, but it was expected for teachers to turn on the games, whether a local team was playing or not.

(05-12-2015 07:49 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:  

(05-12-2015 07:40 AM)TexanMark Wrote:  

(05-12-2015 05:52 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:  The split in Cincinnati is UC, Xavier, UK and OSU. There is very interest in ACC basketball here (1-2% at best).

Most of the people in the region who root for OSU or Notre Dame football do not follow their basketball program at all here.

You would know better...I assumed the KY suburbs would have some UL interest. I totally forgot about X...I'll update it.

Northern Kentucky is passionately Big Blue Nation. There are some Louisville fans but it is an extremely small group compared to the rest.

Very true Statement...

(05-12-2015 08:40 PM)adcorbett Wrote:  

(05-12-2015 07:40 AM)TexanMark Wrote:  

(05-12-2015 05:52 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:  The split in Cincinnati is UC, Xavier, UK and OSU. There is very interest in ACC basketball here (1-2% at best).

Most of the people in the region who root for OSU or Notre Dame football do not follow their basketball program at all here.

You would know better...I assumed the KY suburbs would have some UL interest. I totally forgot about X...I'll update it.

No real UofL presence in Cincinnati. That is definitely Kentucky, Cincy, X, and OSU territory.

(05-12-2015 11:17 AM)Pervis_Griffith Wrote:  

(05-12-2015 09:15 AM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  My impression is that (1) Louisville is more than just a minor amount of SEC fans - Louisville (the school) is certainly the dominant school, but UK fans still make up a very large number of people there (which is why Louisville (the market) almost always tops these college basketball viewership lists),

The Courier Journal conducted a scientific poll back in 2004, 2005 (?? - well before the recent run of success that both U of L and UK have had) ... and they found that when asked who your favorite college basketball team is - U of L came in somewhere around 50%, UK was around 30%, and other made up the 20% (Indiana, Notre Dame, among others).

Here's the thing though ... given the intensity of the rivalry, a majority of U of L fans will watch UK games, and a majority of UK fans will watch U of L games, if for no other reason than to root against their rival.


That is the reason that Louisville pulls such a strong number during hoops season. You watch your team, and you root against your neighbors team.

This is so true. Locally here, many UofL fans watch UofL, watch to see UK lose, then watch conference mates to scout (or ***** about them), then watch the national TV major games. Many UK fans watch UK play, then while waiting in line for Welfare, watch UofL games to see them lose, and watch SEC games to see how badly they will beat their future opponents. Wash, rinse, repeat.

When I was in school, the first two days of the NCAA tournament were basically holidays. School wasn't close, but it was expected for teachers to turn on the games, whether a local team was playing or not.

You left out one other thing...some Kentucky Fans will either go to Papa John's Cardinal Stadium/Yum Center or Road Louisville Games to Root against them...I'm Not joking...you will see "Blue" at Louisville Games Home or Away and UofL is not even playing Kentucky.

(05-12-2015 01:12 PM)CliftonAve Wrote:  

(05-12-2015 09:15 AM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  My impression is that (1) Louisville is more than just a minor amount of SEC fans - Louisville (the school) is certainly the dominant school, but UK fans still make up a very large number of people there (which is why Louisville (the market) almost always tops these college basketball viewership lists), with the Big Ten presence being more "minor" with the Indiana fans across the state line, (2) Cincinnati is definitely more than a "tad" of Big Ten fans, as the size of Ohio State fan base there always seems to be perpetually understated by this board in general, and (3) the aggregate of SEC fans in Memphis adds up to more than a minor amount (where it's more split up between several schools such as Tennessee, Ole Miss and Arkansas), with Memphis (the school) being the largest single dominant fan base.

Frank-- I live here. OSU basketball does not move the needle in this town. Pick up a Cincinnati Enquirer or watch the local news during basketball season and you will find very little about OSU basketball. In fact, a sports columnist had an article asking why people here do not follow OSU basketball. The answer is because we have our own teams to follow.

OSU from what I understand gets a lot more play in Dayton.

Dayton is closer to Columbus and Wright State is a regional school.

Cincinnati has Xavier & UC which are very popular then of course has the UK pull. There are a lot of people in Cincinnati who are from Kentucky or have ties to the state.

Ohio State, Michigan or Notre Dame football games are like the equivalent of the Kentucky Derby. People have supported them for generations and its a local holiday when they play on Saturdays within a 50 mile radius of those stadiums. Their basketball programs are unimportant and overshadowed by football.

People need to take the glasses colored with their school off and see these games as major events for what they are.

There are a lot of OSU football fans in Cincinnati, but not very many OSU basketball fans. It's an odd phenomenon. Many OSU football fans in Cincinnati are either apathetic about college basketball, or they root for UC, Xavier, or UK in basketball. I know several OSU grads who grew up in Cincinnati as UC basketball fans, then went on to become OSU football fans in college (I was nearly converted to an OSU football fan myself during my time there). They still root for both. A lot of it is a product of UC not being competitive in football until relatively recently.

I would also venture to guess that a lot of UK fans in the Cincinnati metro area are generally less enthusiastic about UK football than folks in/near Lexington, although I don't think it's quite as large of a disparity as with OSU.

Its not odd.

Ohio State football games are considered a major athletic event. The Columbus version of the Kentucky Derby. The same for Ann Arbor or South Bend. Or a NASCAR circuit race. Or a PGA event. Its not an infatuation with OSU that drives it as much as the cultural significance. Its a 100 year tradition.

Cincinnati football might be good enough to preserve its athletic future in a P5 conference but we are talking the Big XII or ACC here that outside of Texas, Oklahoma, Clemson or Florida State are lower profile P5 schools. Basketball of course is a different story. There is no hope of becoming a Texas or Florida State in football as did Texas A&M by joining one of these power conferences. Cincinnati will never average more fans in football than Ohio State.

(05-12-2015 01:12 PM)CliftonAve Wrote:  

(05-12-2015 09:15 AM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  My impression is that (1) Louisville is more than just a minor amount of SEC fans - Louisville (the school) is certainly the dominant school, but UK fans still make up a very large number of people there (which is why Louisville (the market) almost always tops these college basketball viewership lists), with the Big Ten presence being more "minor" with the Indiana fans across the state line, (2) Cincinnati is definitely more than a "tad" of Big Ten fans, as the size of Ohio State fan base there always seems to be perpetually understated by this board in general, and (3) the aggregate of SEC fans in Memphis adds up to more than a minor amount (where it's more split up between several schools such as Tennessee, Ole Miss and Arkansas), with Memphis (the school) being the largest single dominant fan base.

Frank-- I live here. OSU basketball does not move the needle in this town. Pick up a Cincinnati Enquirer or watch the local news during basketball season and you will find very little about OSU basketball. In fact, a sports columnist had an article asking why people here do not follow OSU basketball. The answer is because we have our own teams to follow.

In football, I'd agree with Frank that this board downplays that OSU had a presence, but basketball isn't the same. That difference comes from all the people who grew up in cincinnati rooting for OSU football and UC basketball. When I grew up, that was the norm.

(05-12-2015 10:04 PM)Maize Wrote:  

(05-12-2015 08:40 PM)adcorbett Wrote:  

(05-12-2015 07:40 AM)TexanMark Wrote:  

(05-12-2015 05:52 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:  The split in Cincinnati is UC, Xavier, UK and OSU. There is very interest in ACC basketball here (1-2% at best).

Most of the people in the region who root for OSU or Notre Dame football do not follow their basketball program at all here.

You would know better...I assumed the KY suburbs would have some UL interest. I totally forgot about X...I'll update it.

No real UofL presence in Cincinnati. That is definitely Kentucky, Cincy, X, and OSU territory.

(05-12-2015 11:17 AM)Pervis_Griffith Wrote:  

(05-12-2015 09:15 AM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  My impression is that (1) Louisville is more than just a minor amount of SEC fans - Louisville (the school) is certainly the dominant school, but UK fans still make up a very large number of people there (which is why Louisville (the market) almost always tops these college basketball viewership lists),

The Courier Journal conducted a scientific poll back in 2004, 2005 (?? - well before the recent run of success that both U of L and UK have had) ... and they found that when asked who your favorite college basketball team is - U of L came in somewhere around 50%, UK was around 30%, and other made up the 20% (Indiana, Notre Dame, among others).

Here's the thing though ... given the intensity of the rivalry, a majority of U of L fans will watch UK games, and a majority of UK fans will watch U of L games, if for no other reason than to root against their rival.


That is the reason that Louisville pulls such a strong number during hoops season. You watch your team, and you root against your neighbors team.

This is so true. Locally here, many UofL fans watch UofL, watch to see UK lose, then watch conference mates to scout (or ***** about them), then watch the national TV major games. Many UK fans watch UK play, then while waiting in line for Welfare, watch UofL games to see them lose, and watch SEC games to see how badly they will beat their future opponents. Wash, rinse, repeat.

When I was in school, the first two days of the NCAA tournament were basically holidays. School wasn't close, but it was expected for teachers to turn on the games, whether a local team was playing or not.

You left out one other thing...some Kentucky Fans will either go to Papa John's Cardinal Stadium/Yum Center or Road Louisville Games to Root against them...I'm Not joking...you will see "Blue" at Louisville Games Home or Away and UofL is not even playing Kentucky.

That must be an SEC thing. I was telling some FSU fans that were tailgating with us about this UK stunt and they said Florida fans, dressed in gator gear, show up to their games as well.
CJ

I grew up in Springfield Ohio which is between Dayton and Columbus. The University of Dayton was by far the most popular basketball program followed by Ohio State. It wasn't until I moved to Cincinnati in 1998 that I even knew Cincinnati had a program since it was never covered by our local news. I have since turned my Springfield family onto UC sports and they have even started coming down for Football and Baseball games.

OSU has some football fans in Cincy

OSU hoops is a non starter in Cincy

People in CIncy root for UC, XU, and UK in hoops

My fans are better than your fans.
My fans are better than your's.
My fans are better because they eat Ken-L-Ration.
My fans are better than your's.

(05-11-2015 11:44 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  Good news for the ACC and B1G

http://www.nielsen.com/us/en/insights/ne...-fans.html

Top U.S. Markets for Avid College Basketball Fans
% Avid College Basketball Fans
Total Adults 18+ 10%
Rank DMA
1 Louisville DMA 44% (minor amount of SEC and B1G)
2 Lexington DMA 42% (Mainly SEC and a minor amount of ACC)
3 Syracuse DMA 29% (Solid to ACC)
4 Kansas City DMA 24% (B12 and a minor amount of SEC)
5 Raleigh/Durham DMA 23% (Solid to ACC)
6 Memphis DMA 22% (Memphis (AAC) and a minor amount of SEC)
7 Indianapolis DMA 21% (Solid to B1G)
8 Greensboro/High Point/Winston-Salem DMA 20% (Solid to ACC)
9 Cincinnati DMA 19% (Split between SEC/AAC/Big East and a tad of of B1G)
10 Des Moines/Ames DMA 19% (Solid to B1G)
11 Columbus DMA 19% (Solid to B1G)
12 Charlotte DMA 19% (Solid to ACC)
13 Richmond/Petersburg DMA 18% (Solid to ACC)
14 Hartford/New Haven DMA 17% (Solid to UConn (AAC))
15 Tucson DMA 17% (PAC12)
Source: Nielsen Scarborough USA+ Release 2 2014
"Avid" defined as Adults 18+ in the market who report being VERY interested in College Basketball.
Read as: 44% of adults 18+ in the Louisville DMA are avid college basketball fans.

With respect to Kansas City - the B1G makes a solid showing with Nebraska (although maybe not for hoops). I recall reading that the ability to deliver KC was a factor in the selection of Nebraska by the B1G.

Also, Indianapolis is Notre Dame's number one measured TV market, so the ACC has a solid presence there.

I believe that Ole Miss is in the Memphis DMA, so some contribution from them, as well at Tennessee and Arkansas.

Charlotte is on the SC border, so there is undoubtedly some SEC interest there.

I never got the sense that Notre Dame Hoops was that popular in Indy...I lived in NC IN for 6 years back in the late 80s...

Charlotte...always seemed pretty much a hard core ACC city to me.

KC...KU, KSU and Mizzou are the Big 3.