Watching their game and UNLV isn't anywhere close to making the Dance. They have comparable talent if not more on their team. Also Jelan Kendrick is still playing basketball as well. That was good to see and he seems to be running PG some. To get to the gist of it, we aren't the only talented team losing this year. I am not saying everything is sunshine and rainbows because everybody has to look in the mirror after the season. Programs like UNLV and Memphis go through down years and usually come back up. Let not act like an atomic bomb is being dropped on the program.

Memphis and UNLV have a lot in common...

I'd hate to put us in the same category as UNLV, as they haven't been relevant for decades. They've made exactly one Sweet Sixteeen in 20 years. I hope and pray that Tiger basketball never falls that far off the map.

I think a better comparison for us would be Illinois. We both are usually pretty good, with occasional great seasons, and a few rebuilding years scattered in-between.

(03-05-2015 01:25 AM)EvilLore Wrote:  I'd hate to put us in the same category as UNLV, as they haven't been relevant for decades. They've made exactly one Sweet Sixteeen in 20 years. I hope and pray that Tiger basketball never falls that far off the map.

I think a better comparison for us would be Illinois. We both are usually pretty good, with occasional great seasons, and a few rebuilding years scattered in-between.

That is a better comparison I would say. I keep forgetting about them. They had some good years. They are pissed at Groce at the moment. He showed promise the first season but has dropped off every season.

UNLV has many of the same problems we have, but as an institution, Memphis is decades ahead of UNLV.

(03-05-2015 01:33 AM)Ramen_Tiger Wrote:  I keep forgetting about them. They had some good years. They are pissed at Groce at the moment. He showed promise the first season but has dropped off every season.

I try to forget about them as much as possible. Illini fans are, without a doubt, the most arrogant, self-righteous, entitled douchenozzles in college basketball.

Great school, excellent basketball program and worst fanbase.

(03-05-2015 01:25 AM)EvilLore Wrote:  I'd hate to put us in the same category as UNLV, as they haven't been relevant for decades. They've made exactly one Sweet Sixteeen in 20 years. I hope and pray that Tiger basketball never falls that far off the map.

I think a better comparison for us would be Illinois. We both are usually pretty good, with occasional great seasons, and a few rebuilding years scattered in-between.

They are no where near as relevant as the Tigers. Not even in the same ballpark. Not even in the same galaxy. I live in Vegas. 95% of the people here have never seen a Rebels game and the other 5% who say they have, are lying.

The Runnin Rebels have no where near the level of talent the Tigers have also. Just FYI.

(03-05-2015 01:56 AM)tigerpride96 Wrote:  I live in Vegas. 95% of the people here have never seen a Rebels game and the other 5% who say they have, are lying.

That's pretty sad. Maybe a better comparison for UNLV would be Houston.

(03-05-2015 12:24 AM)Ramen_Tiger Wrote:  Watching their game and UNLV isn't anywhere close to making the Dance. They have comparable talent if not more on their team. Also Jelan Kendrick is still playing basketball as well. That was good to see and he seems to be running PG some. To get to the gist of it, we aren't the only talented team losing this year. I am not saying everything is sunshine and rainbows because everybody has to look in the mirror after the season. Programs like UNLV and Memphis go through down years and usually come back up. Let not act like an atomic bomb is being dropped on the program.

UNLV isn't the same team after they lost leading scorer Rashad Vaughn weeks ago.

Every year there are teams picked near the top of their conf that don't perform up to expectations...but most of those programs don't under perform year after year after year....

Like I said in another thread - it's really hard to compare a lot of DI schools to Memphis given that a lot of other schools don't have the built in recruiting advantage that Memphis does.

Look at the DI talent that has come out of Memphis in the past decade. And the city is continuing to produce DI talent.

Not many relevant DI programs are in a metro area that produces Austin Nichols, Jarnell Stokes, Tarik Black, JW3, Joe Jackson, Skal, Lawsons, etc.

Las Vegas certainly produces nowhere near that level of talent.

(03-05-2015 01:40 AM)EvilLore Wrote:  

(03-05-2015 01:33 AM)Ramen_Tiger Wrote:  I keep forgetting about them. They had some good years. They are pissed at Groce at the moment. He showed promise the first season but has dropped off every season.

I try to forget about them as much as possible. Illini fans are, without a doubt, the most arrogant, self-righteous, entitled douchenozzles in college basketball.

Great school, excellent basketball program and worst fanbase.

Can't stand em. Wish we played them at least every third year, though, with Missouri and Purdue in that mix.

(03-05-2015 09:23 AM)bubbapt Wrote:  

(03-05-2015 01:40 AM)EvilLore Wrote:  

(03-05-2015 01:33 AM)Ramen_Tiger Wrote:  I keep forgetting about them. They had some good years. They are pissed at Groce at the moment. He showed promise the first season but has dropped off every season.

I try to forget about them as much as possible. Illini fans are, without a doubt, the most arrogant, self-righteous, entitled douchenozzles in college basketball.

Great school, excellent basketball program and worst fanbase.

Can't stand em. Wish we played them at least every third year, though, with Missouri and Purdue in that mix.

Illinois has terrible fans...

(03-05-2015 01:33 AM)Claw Wrote:  UNLV has many of the same problems we have, but as an institution, Memphis is decades ahead of UNLV.

Funny I saw a list of college rankings about 6 or 7 years ago. UNLV was listed exactly one position below Memphis. Both were tier 4.

(03-05-2015 09:07 AM)HoopDreams Wrote:  Like I said in another thread - it's really hard to compare a lot of DI schools to Memphis given that a lot of other schools don't have the built in recruiting advantage that Memphis does.

Look at the DI talent that has come out of Memphis in the past decade. And the city is continuing to produce DI talent.

Not many relevant DI programs are in a metro area that produces Austin Nichols, Jarnell Stokes, Tarik Black, JW3, Joe Jackson, Skal, Lawsons, etc.

Las Vegas certainly produces nowhere near that level of talent.

I have to disagree with the "Memphis as a hot bed of bb talent" statement to some extent. Not many of this pool of talent go on to great professional careers and a lot of the talent in the pool is overrated. How many did Cal recruit?

(03-05-2015 09:36 AM)Raleigh_Tiger Wrote:  

(03-05-2015 09:07 AM)HoopDreams Wrote:  Like I said in another thread - it's really hard to compare a lot of DI schools to Memphis given that a lot of other schools don't have the built in recruiting advantage that Memphis does.

Look at the DI talent that has come out of Memphis in the past decade. And the city is continuing to produce DI talent.

Not many relevant DI programs are in a metro area that produces Austin Nichols, Jarnell Stokes, Tarik Black, JW3, Joe Jackson, Skal, Lawsons, etc.

Las Vegas certainly produces nowhere near that level of talent.

I have to disagree with the "Memphis as a hot bed of bb talent" statement to some extent. Not many of this pool of talent go on to great professional careers and a lot of the talent in the pool is overrated. How many did Cal recruit?

NBA talent is not the only predictor of NCAA success, my friend.

How many NBA players were on Wichita State or VCU or Wisconsin or Louisville, etc.?

Fact is - look at the numbers averaged in DI and you see that Memphis produces a lot of DI talent.

I think you are arguing/debating something entirely different than I am.

(03-05-2015 09:41 AM)HoopDreams Wrote:  

(03-05-2015 09:36 AM)Raleigh_Tiger Wrote:  

(03-05-2015 09:07 AM)HoopDreams Wrote:  Like I said in another thread - it's really hard to compare a lot of DI schools to Memphis given that a lot of other schools don't have the built in recruiting advantage that Memphis does.

Look at the DI talent that has come out of Memphis in the past decade. And the city is continuing to produce DI talent.

Not many relevant DI programs are in a metro area that produces Austin Nichols, Jarnell Stokes, Tarik Black, JW3, Joe Jackson, Skal, Lawsons, etc.

Las Vegas certainly produces nowhere near that level of talent.

I have to disagree with the "Memphis as a hot bed of bb talent" statement to some extent. Not many of this pool of talent go on to great professional careers and a lot of the talent in the pool is overrated. How many did Cal recruit?

NBA talent is not the only predictor of NCAA success, my friend.

How many NBA players were on Wichita State or VCU or Wisconsin or Louisville, etc.?

Fact is - look at the numbers averaged in DI and you see that Memphis produces a lot of DI talent.

I think you are arguing/debating something entirely different than I am.

Well, I agree with you that Memphis does produce a lot of D1 talent. My argument is that times have changed since we only had to recruit Memphis (or close by) kids to produce an "elite" team. I think if you look at the top teams the players are nationally recruited.

(03-05-2015 09:41 AM)HoopDreams Wrote:  

(03-05-2015 09:36 AM)Raleigh_Tiger Wrote:  

(03-05-2015 09:07 AM)HoopDreams Wrote:  Like I said in another thread - it's really hard to compare a lot of DI schools to Memphis given that a lot of other schools don't have the built in recruiting advantage that Memphis does.

Look at the DI talent that has come out of Memphis in the past decade. And the city is continuing to produce DI talent.

Not many relevant DI programs are in a metro area that produces Austin Nichols, Jarnell Stokes, Tarik Black, JW3, Joe Jackson, Skal, Lawsons, etc.

Las Vegas certainly produces nowhere near that level of talent.

I have to disagree with the "Memphis as a hot bed of bb talent" statement to some extent. Not many of this pool of talent go on to great professional careers and a lot of the talent in the pool is overrated. How many did Cal recruit?

NBA talent is not the only predictor of NCAA success, my friend.

How many NBA players were on Wichita State or VCU or Wisconsin or Louisville, etc.?

Fact is - look at the numbers averaged in DI and you see that Memphis produces a lot of DI talent.

I think you are arguing/debating something entirely different than I am.

I think the real statement should be how many Memphis kids get good at Memphis . It has been a long ,long time. They go to other schools and realize they have to work hard or they are gone. Here they are just passing time till they go pro in greece . If you start talking D leauge I am putting you on ignore.

(03-05-2015 09:56 AM)FUB Wrote:  

(03-05-2015 09:41 AM)HoopDreams Wrote:  

(03-05-2015 09:36 AM)Raleigh_Tiger Wrote:  

(03-05-2015 09:07 AM)HoopDreams Wrote:  Like I said in another thread - it's really hard to compare a lot of DI schools to Memphis given that a lot of other schools don't have the built in recruiting advantage that Memphis does.

Look at the DI talent that has come out of Memphis in the past decade. And the city is continuing to produce DI talent.

Not many relevant DI programs are in a metro area that produces Austin Nichols, Jarnell Stokes, Tarik Black, JW3, Joe Jackson, Skal, Lawsons, etc.

Las Vegas certainly produces nowhere near that level of talent.

I have to disagree with the "Memphis as a hot bed of bb talent" statement to some extent. Not many of this pool of talent go on to great professional careers and a lot of the talent in the pool is overrated. How many did Cal recruit?

NBA talent is not the only predictor of NCAA success, my friend.

How many NBA players were on Wichita State or VCU or Wisconsin or Louisville, etc.?

Fact is - look at the numbers averaged in DI and you see that Memphis produces a lot of DI talent.

I think you are arguing/debating something entirely different than I am.

I think the real statement should be how many Memphis kids get good at Memphis . It has been a long ,long time. They go to other schools and realize they have to work hard or they are gone. Here they are just passing time till they go pro in greece . If you start talking D leauge I am putting you on ignore.

I think the first sentence comes down to coaching. Pure and simple.

Memphis has good DI talent almost every year. It's not debatable, it's fact.

Austin, Skal, Stokes, Lawsons just for the high rated players. And every year you seemingly also have the other tier of guys who play well at the DI level as well - Moultrie, Buckner, Bradshaw, Payne, etc.

I'm not talking about who makes the NBA, I'm not talking about who Pastner has not developed.

I'm saying that Memphis per capita has a lot of DI players, and quite a few are playing important roles on good teams.

The situation is unlike that for a lot of college teams that folks are trying to compare Memphis too - certainly much different than UNLV and Las Vegas.

But, you have to sign them, then coach them up, to see the results.

(03-05-2015 10:23 AM)HoopDreams Wrote:  

(03-05-2015 09:56 AM)FUB Wrote:  

(03-05-2015 09:41 AM)HoopDreams Wrote:  

(03-05-2015 09:36 AM)Raleigh_Tiger Wrote:  

(03-05-2015 09:07 AM)HoopDreams Wrote:  Like I said in another thread - it's really hard to compare a lot of DI schools to Memphis given that a lot of other schools don't have the built in recruiting advantage that Memphis does.

Look at the DI talent that has come out of Memphis in the past decade. And the city is continuing to produce DI talent.

Not many relevant DI programs are in a metro area that produces Austin Nichols, Jarnell Stokes, Tarik Black, JW3, Joe Jackson, Skal, Lawsons, etc.

Las Vegas certainly produces nowhere near that level of talent.

I have to disagree with the "Memphis as a hot bed of bb talent" statement to some extent. Not many of this pool of talent go on to great professional careers and a lot of the talent in the pool is overrated. How many did Cal recruit?

NBA talent is not the only predictor of NCAA success, my friend.

How many NBA players were on Wichita State or VCU or Wisconsin or Louisville, etc.?

Fact is - look at the numbers averaged in DI and you see that Memphis produces a lot of DI talent.

I think you are arguing/debating something entirely different than I am.

I think the real statement should be how many Memphis kids get good at Memphis . It has been a long ,long time. They go to other schools and realize they have to work hard or they are gone. Here they are just passing time till they go pro in greece . If you start talking D leauge I am putting you on ignore.

I think the first sentence comes down to coaching. Pure and simple.

Memphis has good DI talent almost every year. It's not debatable, it's fact.

Austin, Skal, Stokes, Lawsons just for the high rated players. And every year you seemingly also have the other tier of guys who play well at the DI level as well - Moultrie, Buckner, Bradshaw, Payne, etc.

I'm not talking about who makes the NBA, I'm not talking about who Pastner has not developed.

I'm saying that Memphis per capita has a lot of DI players, and quite a few are playing important roles on good teams.

The situation is unlike that for a lot of college teams that folks are trying to compare Memphis too - certainly much different than UNLV and Las Vegas.

But, you have to sign them, then coach them up, to see the results.

Yes for UNLV and Vegas they just import their high school talent (Findley Prep, Bishop Gorman, etc.).

(03-05-2015 12:40 PM)bcspiker Wrote:  

(03-05-2015 10:23 AM)HoopDreams Wrote:  

(03-05-2015 09:56 AM)FUB Wrote:  

(03-05-2015 09:41 AM)HoopDreams Wrote:  

(03-05-2015 09:36 AM)Raleigh_Tiger Wrote:  I have to disagree with the "Memphis as a hot bed of bb talent" statement to some extent. Not many of this pool of talent go on to great professional careers and a lot of the talent in the pool is overrated. How many did Cal recruit?

NBA talent is not the only predictor of NCAA success, my friend.

How many NBA players were on Wichita State or VCU or Wisconsin or Louisville, etc.?

Fact is - look at the numbers averaged in DI and you see that Memphis produces a lot of DI talent.

I think you are arguing/debating something entirely different than I am.

I think the real statement should be how many Memphis kids get good at Memphis . It has been a long ,long time. They go to other schools and realize they have to work hard or they are gone. Here they are just passing time till they go pro in greece . If you start talking D leauge I am putting you on ignore.

I think the first sentence comes down to coaching. Pure and simple.

Memphis has good DI talent almost every year. It's not debatable, it's fact.

Austin, Skal, Stokes, Lawsons just for the high rated players. And every year you seemingly also have the other tier of guys who play well at the DI level as well - Moultrie, Buckner, Bradshaw, Payne, etc.

I'm not talking about who makes the NBA, I'm not talking about who Pastner has not developed.

I'm saying that Memphis per capita has a lot of DI players, and quite a few are playing important roles on good teams.

The situation is unlike that for a lot of college teams that folks are trying to compare Memphis too - certainly much different than UNLV and Las Vegas.

But, you have to sign them, then coach them up, to see the results.

Yes for UNLV and Vegas they just import their high school talent (Findley Prep, Bishop Gorman, etc.).

Yep - that's why the never really sign most of the top guys from those schools either - they weren't born and raised on Runnin Rebel hoops.