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The biggest lie every propagated onto mankind.

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Right to Work can't explain Kentucky.


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(03-04-2015 06:43 PM)Machiavelli Wrote:  The biggest lie every propagated onto mankind.

http://www.nea.org/home/52880.htm

Mach, would you believe something I posted from WorldNetDaily, yet you bring the NEA into this. No agenda from them, noooooo.
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Would you please read the article and the citations. They make such a compelling argument. I just wish we had some friendlies in the media that would post this. Believe you me. I would rather have an ABC news or CBS associated with it.
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(03-04-2015 09:04 PM)Machiavelli Wrote:  Would you please read the article and the citations. They make such a compelling argument.

No they don't. To a hyper partisan, maybe, but not to others.

Quote:I just wish we had some friendlies in the media that would post this. Believe you me. I would rather have an ABC news or CBS associated with it.

Why don't they? Maybe they don't find it as "compelling" as you do.

One thing not mentioned, but I think significant. The article is trying to imply that RTW makes things worse. But to do that requires a showing that things used to be better in RTW states, but have gotten worse since RTW was enacted. Actually, by many measures, things used to be much worse in those states, and the gap has narrowed under RTW.

If you can show something different in that regard, then you might have your compelling argument.
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Owl you make a good points but these arguments are rare to find. The only person I have ever read that shares these type of sentiments is Krugman and you don't see many articles by him in the MSM.
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I would like to see more articles comparing Wisconsin and Minnesota. That would make an interesting Petri dish.
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Michigan and Indiana will be interesting case studies over the next couple of decades.
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Very amateurish analysis. There is no adjustment for demographcs or cost of living.

Standard of living in itself is very tricky to define, and you can't use raw income to measure it.
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Most "right-wingers" don't own corporations. That is not a logical reason.

I can't speak for anyone else.

Unions restrict freedom. That is my problem with them. I want my freedom to work or not work somewhere. I don't want to forced to join a union to do so. Nor do I want a union forcing me to strike, slowdown, sick-in, etc. I don't want them forcibly taking money from me. I don't want them spending that money on political candidates that don't represent my views.

I really don't care if non-right-to-work states are more prosperous or not. My freedom is worth more to me than any marginal economic benefits IF indeed they exist.

So it comes down the basic philosophical difference which has created this divide. I don't care if the government or a union doing x, y, z makes things a little better. I want to be left alone. Others believe government should do anything and everything it can if it makes a marginal improvement for a few people.

Never the twain shall meet.

Instead of dealing with the core issue people on this board just call each other names.
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(03-04-2015 09:55 PM)firmbizzle Wrote:  [Image: 1513294_10152220564137502_816406487_n.jpg]

I manage a union shop and my best worker makes the same as my worst guy. Doesn't seem fair. The guy with 20 years of seniority will always get Christmas and Thanksgiving off, the guy with 19.5 years never will. Doesn't seem fair. There is pressure not to be productive because more productivity means less employees. The union sees the company as the enemy and not a partner.

NM has just passed the first hurdle to becoming a RTW state and the 4 unions guys I talked to about this said they're opting out of the union as soon as the governor signs the bill.
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In the world today, we need a cooperative relationship between unions and employers. Usually, it's adversarial. That will ultimately doom us if not changed.
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Why aren't ceo's outsourced? Guys it's all about power. The corporations have it all right now.
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(03-04-2015 10:50 PM)Machiavelli Wrote:  Why aren't ceo's outsourced? Guys it's all about power. The corporations have it all right now.

Outsourced CEO's are essentially what a board of directors is.
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(03-04-2015 10:50 PM)Machiavelli Wrote:  Why aren't ceo's outsourced? Guys it's all about power. The corporations have it all right now.

Is your understanding of the private for-profit sector so lacking that you believe that CEO's actually could be outsourced?
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They are a hell of a lot more expensive than a guy in India. You don't see globalization hurting their bottom line one iota. As a matter of fact it's the polar opposite.
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(03-04-2015 10:56 PM)Machiavelli Wrote:  They are a hell of a lot more expensive than a guy in India. You don't see globalization hurting their bottom line one iota. As a matter of fact it's the polar opposite.

So?
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So?
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